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About mdude04

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  1. I was at some station on the west the other day and needed to reload my Metrocard (I'm a fairly infrequent subway rider). There were about four MVMs, and none of them were accepting credit/debit cards. I had like $3 in cash so I just reloaded it in cash for one trip, but I thought about going to the agent and asking to just be let through the gate. What if I had no cash on me? What is the typical policy for this scenario? Just curious.
  2. (MEANT TO WRITE "FARE INSPECTORS") Living on 36th Street, this is the only MTA bus I ever ride, and I have never seen fare inspectors come on board. It's such a short route, and with almost all passengers exiting and just one or two of the stops, I can't even really envision it. I've only ridden it about 20 times or so, so I'm certainly not an everyday rider. Not saying I would ever jump on the bus without paying, but I would kind of like to be stopped by a fare inspector just once to justify the fares I've paid. (P.S. I've also taken the M15SBS a handful of times and never encountered fare inspectors there, either; I'm really just curious about how the whole thing goes down!)
  3. So my guess is he knew it was a light travel day and there probably wouldn't be any fare inspectors (I don't think there ever are on weekends) so he just left the Metrocard machine uncovered. Glad to hear this isn't the new official policy.
  4. I specifically saw them board the bus, dip their card, hear that familiar "beep," and then walk to the back of the bus. This happened with almost every passenger boarding west of 7th Ave.
  5. I was riding the M34 for the first time in months over the weekend, and noticed that well over half the people who got on the bus seemed to dip their Metrocard after boarding the bus. This seems to defeat the purpose of SBS, although in my past experience I recall the driver spending a lot more time telling clueless people that they needed to use the machines than he would have if he just let them on. So do the SBS buses now have on-board fare collection? Also, what exactly now is the policy for battling fare evasion?
  6. Hence this thread. The reason I posted this thread was for insight just like this (I did not know it was widely accepted to just go to the front at any time to ask for a transfer). The only thing I had an issue with was the tone. I'd also like to reiterate that at no time did I complain about the bus driver in question. I only asked why he would tell me to go to the back of the bus when the rules state transfer customers need to board in the front. So I don't think we were ever at odds on principle. It's just the way you condemned me for wondering why the b/o asked me to go to the back, as though it was a ridiculous thing to wonder. That is what led to this fervent back-and-forth.
  7. Saying "if you want a transfer, enter through the front door" and "if you don't enter through the front door, you don't get a transfer" are saying the exact same thing. It's called the law of contraposition. So if the rule says you need to enter through the front door to get a transfer, the rule also says if you don't enter through the front door you don't get a transfer. And of course I would never think that if you were to go up to the front of the bus during the trip and ask for a transfer that the driver would tell you to pound sand. All I thought was that is not how it's supposed to work and if you do that, you're going against the rules (aka, "according to the rules" the only time you can get a transfer is at the time of boarding and, at least on paper, not asking for a transfer then means you don't get a transfer). I wanted to follow the rules. Is that so terrible?
  8. Rule = Get transfer -> Enter through the front door Therefore, Rule = Don't enter through the front door -> Don't get transfer I believe the above rule is fully enforced. You are saying that to believe that makes me look stupid. What am I missing? Also, you didn't hit a nerve. But you did hit one of my pet peeves, which is when people think their opinions are better than fact (in this case, the fact would be the written MTA rules), and are completely unwilling to admit when their argument is wrong.
  9. Because I am a more mild-mannered person than you, I will stand up and admit you were right - I did blow some of your comments out of proportion in a reductio ad absurdum way (you've done the same). If it lessened the impact of my comments, I regret that. Nevertheless, your logic is still baffling. If it's not common, then I would assume most people don't know that, right? Especially for casual bus riders like me. You said I looked stupid for knowing what the rule was and assuming I needed to follow the rule. That is the exact essence of what you said. - As for my analogies with the subway rules, etc, it shouldn't have made a difference if I was talking about the rules of SBS or the rules of Blackjack. My point there was that most normal people assume rules exist for a reason. Yes, sometimes rules are bended or not always adhered to, but if someone's default assumption is that a rule is fully enforced, that is not stupid. You could have said, "That may be the official rule, but in reality bus operators are pretty lenient about transfers" but instead you said, "You look stupid." Childish.
  10. Oh for the love of Pete. How on earth am I the one who "got told"? I did exactly what the official MTA rules say to do. Where in the world does everyone get off saying I did something wrong? These bus operators in this forum are the ones who were clueless about the rule. When I point that out, and the best response is "well you're stupid for thinking the rules mean anything," then somehow I'm the one who got owned? Good lord. Also, I'm not "accusing"; I'm quoting. Cait Sith is the one who used the word "stupid"
  11. Now that's just uncalled for. You are stupid for going into threads and criticizing people when they don't follow the rules, and then calling me stupid because I do follow the rules. How am I to know which rules are arbitrary? You know, the SBS rules say "You pay your fare at the stop at either the MetroCard Fare Collector or Coin Fare Collector machine before boarding." I bet that means I can't pay after I board. Oh wait; I'm stupid for assuming that. I'm sure that's just an arbitrary thing and there's no reason the MTA wrote that in its list of rules. The subway rules state "Swipe your MetroCard through the slot in the top of the turnstile," but I'm sure I can just wait for someone to open the emergency exit door and go through there. It would be stupid to think I have to enter the subway the way the MTA tells me to. The MTA says I cannot stretch my legs out on a subway or bus, but only stupid people would think that means I'm not allowed to stretch my legs out on a subway or bus. I'm sorry, but saying it's stupid to be informed of the proper procedure and abide by that procedure is among the most idiotic arguments I've ever seen. Also, I never said I expected riders to know the SBS rules, but I did assume the bus operators do! Thank you for making me realize I was wrong about that.
  12. And all I was getting at is that I was the one following the rules and procedures. It is the b/o who changed the rules on me with no explanation. What I didn't get was your reaction as though I was somehow in the wrong and the b/o creating a new rule shouldn't have confused me in the slightest.
  13. Okay, so knowing that is a common practice definitely changes things. I always thought that not getting your transfer at the time of boarding was essentially forfeiting your right to a transfer. But that's just silly me, going by the MTA's official policies. SBS: "Please board at the front of the bus if you need a transfer" Non-SBS: "Ask the bus driver for a transfer when you pay your fare" How silly and uninformed I am by following the rules
  14. Yeah, I did not expect that. He was very angry when he shouted at me to go to the back and must have realized I was flustered. I definitely appreciated that, but a bit more communication up front would have helped.
  15. I don't doubt there was a good reason for it, but what I don't get is why some people here think I was ridiculous for just doing what the official MTA rules state and being confused when those rules were suddenly changed. The rule, btw, has been part of the MTA's SBS literature since the introduction of the Bx12SBS and continues to be listed as the rule for M15SBS and M34SBS. It doesn't make sense to board any other way, because you could just buy one fare and let other people take the receipt to the front of the bus and get free transfers.

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