lilbluefoxie Posted July 2, 2009 Share #1 Posted July 2, 2009 http://nycsubway.org/perl/show?98247 Its a selector box thing at Smith-9th with buttons for and . What is it used for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted July 2, 2009 Share #2 Posted July 2, 2009 Route selection box. You find them at places where two trains stop but take different paths after leaving the station. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Julio Posted July 2, 2009 Share #3 Posted July 2, 2009 http://nycsubway.org/perl/show?98247 Its a selector box thing at Smith-9th with buttons for and . What is it used for?It's a Punch box. The T/O would punch in his route so that the train is diverted to the proper track, in this case the would be diverted to the express tracks at 4th Avenue so it can relay back to Queens and the would proceed on it's main route without any diversion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Local Posted July 2, 2009 Share #4 Posted July 2, 2009 Yes. Whatever they said :cool::tup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted July 2, 2009 Share #5 Posted July 2, 2009 It's a Punch box. The T/O would punch in his route so that the train is diverted to the proper track, in this case the would be diverted to the express tracks at 4th Avenue so it can relay back to Queens and the would proceed on it's main route without any diversion. Doesnt it call up control tower to warn em to set the switch at the next junction? _______________ BTW Punch holes are mainly found in stations where junctions are found. And Most tunnels too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted July 2, 2009 Share #6 Posted July 2, 2009 Yes. Whatever they said :cool::tup: Haha wow. Was gonna say...they're quick! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Julio Posted July 2, 2009 Share #7 Posted July 2, 2009 Doesnt it call up control tower to warn em to set the switch at the next junction? _______________ BTW Punch holes are maunly found in stations where junctions are found. And Most tunnels too. No, it's automatic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted July 2, 2009 Share #8 Posted July 2, 2009 No, it's automatic. How can that be. So if the Next train is an at Smith and 9th, and sum1 pushes the then the train would end up on the tracks at 4th avenue. Doesnt make sense to me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul P Posted July 2, 2009 Share #9 Posted July 2, 2009 No. That's why the train operator has to always check if his lineup is correct. (the right route is punched before leaving the station) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted July 2, 2009 Share #10 Posted July 2, 2009 From 47/50: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul P Posted July 2, 2009 Share #11 Posted July 2, 2009 From 47/50: There you go. This explains the automatic punchbox, what you punch is where you'll end up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
via White Plains Road Posted July 2, 2009 Share #12 Posted July 2, 2009 How can that be. So if the Next train is an at Smith and 9th, and sum1 pushes the then the train would end up on the tracks at 4th avenue. Doesnt make sense to me... Let's try this again.....if the T/O approaches Smith-9th Streets and its a train he punches the "(F)" button and the train continue down the local meaning the switch didn't divert the from train from the local to the express tracks. If the comes and the T/O punches the "(G)" button the switch diverts from local to the express track making the train switch onto the express right before 4th Avenue-9th Street stopping in the middle of the express tracks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted July 2, 2009 Share #13 Posted July 2, 2009 From 47/50: werid.. and kool. Of course the T/O can cancel his request and do a reset on the lineup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted July 2, 2009 Share #14 Posted July 2, 2009 Let's try this again.....if the T/O approaches Smith-9th Streets and its a train he punches the button and the continue down the local meaning the switch didn't divert the from train from the local to the express tracks. If the comes and the T/O punches the button the switch diverts from local to the express making the train switch onto the express right before 4th Avenue-9th Street stopping in the middle of the express tracks! Ok now wat if the T/O already hit the punch, a is behind. The is already making a move but still hasnt hit the the diverging track to head to stillwell. But when the Makes it in. The Signal is Yellow(Or Clear) and the T/o presses the Punch. Would that cause a problem to the which hasnt made it passed the track junction.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul P Posted July 2, 2009 Share #15 Posted July 2, 2009 Ok now wat if the T/O already hit the punch, a is behind. The is already making a move but still hasnt hit the the diverging track to head to stillwell. But when the Makes it in. The Signal is Yellow(Or Clear) and the T/o presses the Punch. Would that cause a problem to the which hasnt made it passed the track junction.? This can't happen because punch boxes are in the station for the diverging tracks nearly outside the station. If that train was ever close to the station it would never make it to the platform marker because of signal block restrictions. (so many signals have to be cleared in your path before you can make a move, this depends how fast the train in front of you clears the tracks) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
via White Plains Road Posted July 2, 2009 Share #16 Posted July 2, 2009 Ok now wat if the T/O already hit the punch, a is behind. The is already making a move but still hasnt hit the the diverging track to head to stillwell. But when the Makes it in. The Signal is Yellow(Or Clear) and the T/o presses the Punch. Would that cause a problem to the which hasnt made it passed the track junction.? The can't be that near behind the .....the will be stopped @ the curve @ Smith-9th Street. Once the leaves the will slowly pull in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted July 2, 2009 Share #17 Posted July 2, 2009 This is why the following bit of advice is repeated to new T/Os: KNOW YOUR ROUTE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted July 2, 2009 Share #18 Posted July 2, 2009 The can't be that near behind the .....the will be stopped @ the curve @ Smith-9th Street. Once the leaves the will slowly pull in! I meant like if the the was between the Smith and 4th avenue. Of course the can make it in, but would be stalled till the makes its move! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Julio Posted July 2, 2009 Share #19 Posted July 2, 2009 Ok now wat if the T/O already hit the punch, a is behind. The is already making a move but still hasnt hit the the diverging track to head to stillwell. But when the Makes it in. The Signal is Yellow(Or Clear) and the T/o presses the Punch. Would that cause a problem to the which hasnt made it passed the track junction.? It's the T/Os resposibilty to confirm he has the proper line up. Some Route Requestboxes have an associated indicating light that illuminates to show the selection made and some boxes have a CANCEL button. If a wrong selection is made, the cancel button must be pressed before the correct selection button is pressed. If a train arrives at a Home Signal displaying a STOP aspect or an incorrect route, the Train Operator must press the button appropriate for the route or destination of the train. The Train Identification/Route Request can be found next to Home Signals or in Stations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
via White Plains Road Posted July 2, 2009 Share #20 Posted July 2, 2009 I meant like if the the was between the Smith and 4th avenue. Of course the can make it in, but would be stalled till the makes its move! If the train is inb/w Smith-9th Streets and 4th Avenue-9th Streets station on the track the can't pull out of Smith-9th Streets until the continues its way toawards 4th Avenue-9th Street! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INDman Posted July 2, 2009 Share #21 Posted July 2, 2009 No, it's automatic. 4th Ave. tower is not automatic and it is manned 24/7. The punch box at Smith-9th Street. rings a bell in the tower which tell the tower operator what train is on the way. Many times I have been on a south bound that has stopped just north of 4th Ave. at the homeball because the TW/O has not set the line up and the T/O will radio the tower. If 4th Ave. was an automatic, this would not happen. When the goes to Church Ave., will the tower still be manned? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trainmaster5 Posted July 3, 2009 Share #22 Posted July 3, 2009 There you go. This explains the automatic punchbox, what you punch is where you'll end up. Except in " ATS Land ", aka the IRT mainline. You can punch anything you want or punch nothing at all. The towers will know what you punch but they don't control the switches the ATS computers do. As a matter of fact after 7/25 the tower operators are being removed from the IRT mainline for the most part so when your train ends up at 149th St- Grand Concourse or your train ends up at South Ferry blame the T/O or the ATS computer, not the tower operator. Once that system mis-identifies a train the whole line slows to a crawl until or if the problem can be rectified. At least now the RCC can give control back to the affected tower and clear up the problem in the field but after that date........ Help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted July 3, 2009 Share #23 Posted July 3, 2009 Except in " ATS Land ", aka the IRT mainline. You can punch anything you want or punch nothing at all. The towers will know what you punch but they don't control the switches the ATS computers do. As a matter of fact after 7/25 the tower operators are being removed from the IRT mainline for the most part so when your train ends up at 149th St- Grand Concourse or your train ends up at South Ferry blame the T/O or the ATS computer, not the tower operator. Once that system mis-identifies a train the whole line slows to a crawl until or if the problem can be rectified. At least now the RCC can give control back to the affected tower and clear up the problem in the field but after that date........ Help. If some werido(Like kids who play around) was to press the button without authorization and the train is not in the station would it automatically set signals at an interlock? Which then the T/O on the next train presses the correct route but sum1 already pushed it. Or would the tracks have to feel the train wheel..?(Thats what i heard) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted July 3, 2009 Share #24 Posted July 3, 2009 If some werido(Like kids who play around) was to press the button without authorization and the train is not in the station would it automatically set signals at an interlock? Which then the T/O on the next train presses the correct route but sum1 already pushed it. Or would the tracks have to feel the train wheel..?(Thats what i heard) This is why you have to KNOW YOUR ROUTE. A T/O should know that at Smith-9th the takes a bottom green while the takes a bottom yellow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KNIGHTRIDER3:16 Posted July 3, 2009 Share #25 Posted July 3, 2009 From 47/50: I saw the same funny sign at 47-50 st on the Queens bound side (What you puch is what you get) <R> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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