Maserati7200 Posted July 8, 2009 Share #26 Posted July 8, 2009 Actually a lot of Park Slope residents don't want the running express because they will lose their 1 seat ride to Manhattan. The only ones who will, would be the ones living in Kensington, or by 7th Avenue. A lot of South Brooklyn residents (such as myself) want the express. The petition for it has 4K signatures. To make it eaiser for Park Slope residents at local stops there is a simple solution that has been brought up many times. I know I'm going to get yelled at for this, but, oh well. Make the local to Church. That way Park Slope residents retain their one seat ride to Manhattan, and people who live further out could get the express. Yell at me everyone, I'm invincible! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Julio Posted July 8, 2009 Share #27 Posted July 8, 2009 As long as it has the same interval, I'm fine with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Julio Posted July 8, 2009 Share #28 Posted July 8, 2009 To Brooklyn? The extension IS an upgrade. For those regular users of the extended stops, they could access the Queens Boulevard line without entering Manhattan. Yes, because apparently, it's too hard to transfer to the from the on the same platform at Smith-9th Street, Carroll St and Bergen St. This extension is not a service upgrade. It's the same old slow . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urbanfortitude Posted July 8, 2009 Share #29 Posted July 8, 2009 The extension IS an upgrade. For those regular users of the extended stops, they could access the Queens Boulevard line without entering Manhattan. Uhm basically what Julio said...all the extension does is give riders access to the Bay Ridge bound without having to get off at 9th and use the and vice versa. riders had access to Queens Blvd before this extension via the at before mentioned stations not to mention simply riding to mention simply riding to Court Sq and gettin the ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted July 8, 2009 Share #30 Posted July 8, 2009 A lot of South Brooklyn residents (such as myself) want the express. The petition for it has 4K signatures. To make it eaiser for Park Slope residents at local stops there is a simple solution that has been brought up many times. I know I'm going to get yelled at for this, but, oh well. Make the local to Church. That way Park Slope residents retain their one seat ride to Manhattan, and people who live further out could get the express. Yell at me everyone, I'm invincible! 4000 signatures is not really that many people when you consider that NYCT moves about 4.5 million people per day. It also does nothing about funding service extension for the which you propose, which would reduce the interval (hurting queens service) if a service increase isn't funded since the same number of trains would be running a longer route. That can't be done on Queens Blvd. - that's like cutting service. Expanding service requires money for: -More crews (T/O's and C/R's) for the additional trains to keep the same headways -More trains to be in service -Additional Switchmen at Church Avenue to assist with the relays for both and as this will now be used by both trains...without this relaying trains would take too long and slow down service on both lines. -More frequent inspection of trains (and possibly more car inspectors as well) as cars are inspected based on mileage. This increases that mileage, and therefore decreases the amount of time between inspections, which increases total inspections. -More electrical drain on the system And for what? So 15th Street and Fort Hamilton Parkway can get skipped? Or are you suggesting the also skip 4th Ave which would make no sense because of the key transfer there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRG Posted July 8, 2009 Share #31 Posted July 8, 2009 Actually a lot of Park Slope residents don't want the running express because they will lose their 1 seat ride to Manhattan. The only ones who will, would be the ones living in Kensington, or by 7th Avenue. Well another way around this conundrum is to extend the into Brooklyn. This way they're can be express service and locals on the weekdays. On weekends the runs local. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Julio Posted July 8, 2009 Share #32 Posted July 8, 2009 Y2Julio and Urbanfortitude, you misunderstood my previous post. One key benefit of the extension is that those residents don't have to enter Manhattan in order to get to Queens. Note to everybody here, don't anyone dare propose an extension of the line to Brooklyn. They never needed to go into Manhattan to go to Queens to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted July 8, 2009 Author Share #33 Posted July 8, 2009 They never needed to go into Manhattan to go to Queens to begin with. He means the ones who lives down on on 4th ave and later. Of course before the extension the passenger can easily transfer to the anywhere between 9th sts and Bergen. Still can happen with an anywhere from Church to bergen! ___________________________________________ As for the please lets not start this bs with the and go off topic... Theres no money for that, no point, not gonna happen at all. If you want the down there come up with over 2 million dollars and see if the would care. Back on topic with the now....! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRG Posted July 8, 2009 Share #34 Posted July 8, 2009 Y2Julio and Urbanfortitude, you misunderstood my previous post. One key benefit of the extension is that those residents don't have to enter Manhattan in order to get to Queens. Note to everybody here, don't anyone dare propose an extension of the line to Brooklyn. If it helps, I want the to stay right where it is: in Manhattan. And so what if riders lose their one-seat ride to Manhattan? People are getting too lazy these days. If they renovate Bergen Street (which I know the MTA will), people need to get off their fat asses, walk down a flight of stairs and wait for the . How hard is that? And besides, it's not like the train runs infrequently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urbanfortitude Posted July 8, 2009 Share #35 Posted July 8, 2009 He means the ones who lives down on on 4th ave and later. Of course before the extension the passenger can easily transfer to the anywhere between 9th sts and Bergen. Still can happen with an anywhere from Church to bergen! ___________________________________________ As for the please lets not start this bs with the and go off topic... Theres no money for that, no point, not gonna happen at all. If you want the down there come up with over 2 million dollars and see if the would care. Back on topic with the now....! There's still no grounds for that because even before the extension riders merely would have to get off between Smith-9th Sts and Bergen for the if they wanted to avoid manhattan. But I'm like sheesh...once I'm on that I'm stayin on it Manhattan or not. I'd rather not deal with the crap of getting off at Court Sq...treading that long tunnel to the platform. I think the most sensible of riders would do the same especially if they got a seat. You have to really hate going through Manhattan to put yourself through all that. If the still went to Forest Hills then this would be a viable argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted July 8, 2009 Share #36 Posted July 8, 2009 And so what if riders lose their one-seat ride to Manhattan? People are getting too lazy these days. If they renovate Bergen Street (which I know the MTA will), people need to get off their fat asses, walk down a flight of stairs and wait for the . How hard is that? And besides, it's not like the train runs infrequently. The problem is that it doesn't provide the most benefit to the most # of people. I know it's a common railfan/foamer tendency (not talking about YOU just in general) to want to use every express track ever for a service, but it provides no real benefit. It doesn't really save much time for people living further down the line, but it inconveniences a ton of people who live in Park Slope and want to get to Manhattan or vice versa. Likewise added to my "lack of funding" post above, now you have to pay for Bergen Street lower to get renovated too (yet another RF/foamer tendency at work - to want to use every abandoned station or platform for a service). OK if you don't live in Park Slope no big deal, but you have to understand there are people who DO live there and they are used to having something, so they do not want it taken away. Imagine your commute got changed so that another neighborhood got a minor convenience at your expense, and you had to "do something extra" now. You wouldn't be too happy about it, I guarantee it, regardless of what you say now. Ops planning actually DOES for the most part do a good job. These are the people who brought you the and switch, the ( and switch (since the Brighton doesn't need express on weekends), and years ago the and switch in queens so the had access to a yard. Believe me a lot of people write letters in about this stuff and a lot of these have been looked at and turned down already. Seems no one is willing to come up with new ideas, just a rehashing of old ones. And this is NOT directed at you, just in general, and it's true. Hey how about that (M)/(V) combo since no one's brought it up in a while? How about West End Express weekdays? How about bringing back the . How about the to 179. How about the to Forest Hills full time again. How about the orange cuz a few railfans "miss" it. How about full time cuz they "like the Brighton Exp". And while we're at it how bout a new JFK Express. Seems like it's just the same old ideas over and over again which have all been rejected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urbanfortitude Posted July 8, 2009 Share #37 Posted July 8, 2009 See Drew you just made me feel bad LOL. Because I was one of the ones who said it would be nice to have the ( running on weekends...I don't really recall it being for Brighton Exp though that would be kinda cool too. I was thinking more or less CPW local. But I never had it in my mind it was at all needed. Where it WOULD come in handy tho is all that beach traffic during the summer on weekends. You do bring out the best point though in saying Ops has done a brilliant job with the system planning. I can't ever recall a time where I said something was needed to be done other than to get that running on weekends again outta sheer annoyance in dealing with local service. The express was another til i realized it wouldn't help me as I reversed commuted to Bensonhurst for work. P.S: WHO SAID THE NEEDS TO COME BACK!? I LIKE MY SERVICE JUST FINE THANK YOU! :mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted July 8, 2009 Share #38 Posted July 8, 2009 If I worked at Ops planning the only change I would consider making is via CPW local on weekends since the passenger loads are a bit much for the and you have big destinations in the museums. Hasn't come up as often though with the scraping the wall G/O's with the "©ancelled" train not running much on days that start with S... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maserati7200 Posted July 8, 2009 Share #39 Posted July 8, 2009 For all who say there won't be a benefit with the express, your dead wrong. Recently there was a G.O. That had trains run express between Church and 4th Ave Manhattan bound. It shaved 12 minutes off of travel time (I timed it, and my usual local commute). I take the in Brooklyn very often during the rush and it gets really crowded. Having express service will make it easier for everyone. And no, I'm not saying there should be express service simply because there are express tracks there. I want express service there because it would really help out a lot of riders. Also, I hope you all realize the ran express up until the 70's. Why did it stop running express? There was a signal fire at Jay street and the signals have not worked well since then. And about the the only reason I propose that is because Park slope riders want a one seat ride to Manhattan. But i wouldn't mind if the were to simply run local and full length. For the sake of argument, extending the isn't as undoable as many of you say. The has increased service before, which requires the same things that many of you say that extending the requires. So why can't it be done now? Many of you are acting as if its a bad thing for service increases. Also, the wouldn't even be that long if extended. The and many other would be much longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maserati7200 Posted July 8, 2009 Share #40 Posted July 8, 2009 4000 signatures is not really that many people when you consider that NYCT moves about 4.5 million people per day.? The thing is, that petition was online and was not affiliated with the . If every rider in Brooklyn were to know about that petition, it would be a lot more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maserati7200 Posted July 8, 2009 Share #41 Posted July 8, 2009 Note to everybody here, don't anyone dare propose an extension of the line to Brooklyn. Why do you get so upset over a proposal? It's just an idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Julio Posted July 8, 2009 Share #42 Posted July 8, 2009 For all who say there won't be a benefit with the express, your dead wrong. Recently there was a G.O. That had trains run express between Church and 4th Ave Manhattan bound. It shaved 12 minutes off of travel time (I timed it, and my usual local commute). I take the in Brooklyn very often during the rush and it gets really crowded. Having express service will make it easier for everyone.You're failing to realize one major stop that would get cut off. 4th Avenue is a major transfer point and station between the , and the . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maserati7200 Posted July 8, 2009 Share #43 Posted July 8, 2009 You're failing to realize one major stop that would get cut off. 4th Avenue is a major transfer point and station between the , and the . On the Flushing Line, 74th street (a local stop) is an important connection point to the Queens Blvd line at Jackson Heights. The stop there. Should we stop running express service because people will miss out on this transfer? Thats why I say the could run express and some other line could run local to Manhattan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urbanfortitude Posted July 8, 2009 Share #44 Posted July 8, 2009 On the Flushing Line, 74th street (a local stop) is an important connection point to the Queens Blvd line at Jackson Heights. The stop there. Should we stop running express service because people will miss out on this transfer? Thats why I say the could run express and some other line could run local to Manhattan. Not the same thing.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted July 8, 2009 Share #45 Posted July 8, 2009 For all who say there won't be a benefit with the express, your dead wrong. Recently there was a G.O. That had trains run express between Church and 4th Ave Manhattan bound. It shaved 12 minutes off of travel time (I timed it, and my usual local commute). How does that shave 12 minutes off travel time? A train going local over those very same three stops will not even take 12 minutes to go from 4th Ave to Church. As a matter of fact, I am staring at a timetable that gives the 17-18 minutes to go from 4th avenue...to Kings Highway. Unless the express is capable of some sort of time travel or your "regular commute" involved stopping for a sick passenger, that is simply not possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric B Posted July 9, 2009 Share #46 Posted July 9, 2009 The to Brooklyn would also be good for those going to Essex and beyond, instead of empty passing by, and the is crowded, and often delayed. As far as "money", I believe that's often exaggerated, because how many new road or switching jobs that create, it could just take from the extra-rxtra list pool without having to hire more people. That's why some of the cuts they were proposing were ridiculous. They weren't going to lay off RTO crews and have less people on the payroll; just many people going back on the extra-extra list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3348 Posted July 9, 2009 Share #47 Posted July 9, 2009 I just saw few minutes at LGA Central Terminal on $2.00 has been cross and magic marker sign indicated 25 to indicate fare is $2.25. Offtopic. If it has nothing to do with the topic then don't post it. For it to be a downgrade, there has to be an upgrade to begin with. Yesterday I took the at Hoyt-Schemerhorn instead of my usual to the at Jay St and I quickly was reminded of why I stopped taking the . It still has long intervals between trains. There has no been no increase of trains on the , simply an extension of the line. Queens bound the is still packed coming from Smith-9th. They added service so that the interval would be the same regardless of the extension. To Brooklyn? NO THANK YOU The is better off being a Manhattan-Queens line. Why make the route longer for train crews? Think of the crew factor. Also, Park Slope residents want a full time line, not a part time line through their station. If the were to be extended the line would not be too long. It would still be significantly shorter than the , which is a crew-killer. And if the was extended as the local, the would replace it when it wasn't running. There wouldn't be a difference to riders at the local stations, but the express stations get their express that they're demanding for. Note to everybody here, don't anyone dare propose an extension of the line to Brooklyn. And just why not? Not the same thing.... It sort of is... Running the to Brooklyn would create plenty of issues. Suppose something happens in Brooklyn, Queens and Manhattan riders would feel the gist of it. Adding an additional line would cause delays. Just leave the alone. I view it as the 6th Avenue equivalent to the line. Usually when something that big happens they suspend the anyway. But the wouldn't be delayed as much as say the because even with the extension the line would not be too long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LTA1992 Posted July 9, 2009 Share #48 Posted July 9, 2009 If the were to be extended the line would not be too long. It would still be significantly shorter than the , which is a crew-killer. I really hate it when people say a line will be too long. There are other long lines where during a G.O or regular schedule, it has to go local. This deals with lines like the and . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3348 Posted July 11, 2009 Share #49 Posted July 11, 2009 I really hate it when people say a line will be too long. There are other long lines where during a G.O or regular schedule, it has to go local. This deals with lines like the and .There is a difference between a G.O. which is only very temporary, and a permanent service pattern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E train line Posted July 13, 2009 Share #50 Posted July 13, 2009 V train need to go Brooklyn or it is worthless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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