Far Rock Depot Posted November 16, 2007 Share #1 Posted November 16, 2007 Whats this i hear floating around about new 75' cars (supposedly R179)? i thought they were going against cars of that length? or is it going to be for SIR only? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
error46146 Posted November 16, 2007 Share #2 Posted November 16, 2007 well you know the MTA... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOB2RTO Posted November 16, 2007 Share #3 Posted November 16, 2007 Contrary to what most think, the MTA doesn't really have to order all 60ft cars for the B Div. They really don't need to worry about getting an all the same length fleet, so all B Div cars can run on all B Div lines. That is why with the option order of R160s, they will have spare cars to run on all B Div lines. The 75ft cars (if this is what they will be) will only run on those B Div lines that can handle them of course, and it would make sense like others (on other boards) say. It is cheaper to replace a 8 75ft cars with 8 75ft cars, than with 10 60ft cars. 2 extra cars means extra motors and trucks to buy and to maintain. Why do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Local Posted November 17, 2007 Share #4 Posted November 17, 2007 I hope to see another fleet of 75' cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJTransitFan Posted November 17, 2007 Share #5 Posted November 17, 2007 That would be eight fewer doors on the 75' car train that the 60' car train. The 75' are doing pretty well anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted November 17, 2007 Share #6 Posted November 17, 2007 I heard it going to look like the R160 but i wonder what lines will get the R179 my guess is the 8th ave lines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOB2RTO Posted November 17, 2007 Share #7 Posted November 17, 2007 That would be eight fewer doors on the 75' car train that the 60' car train. The 75' are doing pretty well anyway. Not if they decide to have them come with 5 doors instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R1Toasty Posted November 17, 2007 Share #8 Posted November 17, 2007 Not if they decide to have them come with 5 doors instead. I don't like that idea, besides, you're still short a few doors. Five doors sounds a little awkward to me, the most I believe a subway car should have is 4. Do we really need 10 doors per car? We deal fine with 8 and even 6... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOB2RTO Posted November 17, 2007 Share #9 Posted November 17, 2007 I don't like that idea, besides, you're still short a few doors. Five doors sounds a little awkward to me, the most I believe a subway car should have is 4. Do we really need 10 doors per car? We deal fine with 8 and even 6... A 60ft car comes with 4 doors, and we are talking about a car 15ft longer which means it hold alot more people. IMO, 5 doors is needed on any new NYCTA 75ft subway cars. An 8 car 75ft subway car with 10 doors per car (5 each side), would have 80 doors. That is the same as an 8 door 60ft subway car with 10 cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R1Toasty Posted November 17, 2007 Share #10 Posted November 17, 2007 A 60ft car comes with 4 doors, and we are talking about a car 15ft longer which means it hold alot more people. IMO, 5 doors is needed on any new NYCTA 75ft subway cars. An 8 car 75ft subway car with 10 doors per car (5 each side), would have 80 doors. That is the same as an 8 door 60ft subway car with 10 cars. Good point there. I just never had a great love for 5 doors per side, but I can learn to love I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Far Rock Depot Posted November 17, 2007 Author Share #11 Posted November 17, 2007 I heard it going to look like the R160 but i wonder what lines will get the R179 my guess is the 8th ave lines Definatly expect them in Staten island. Ill bet money on it. As far as 5 doors, somehow i dont see that happening. You might see a whole lot of complaints about less seating like on the 110's. i see 4 doors but extra windows along the sides. Im even working on a 75' car design that would run in SI that i started in the spring just for the practice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Local Posted November 17, 2007 Share #12 Posted November 17, 2007 Would these 75' cars, have seating arrangements like the current R160s?, or like the R44/46/68/68A's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted November 17, 2007 Share #13 Posted November 17, 2007 Would these 75' cars, have seating arrangements like the current R160s?, or like the R44/46/68/68A's? I hate the seating arrangements on the R44/46/68/68As. It creates a lot of door jamming problems on those trains. I hope the MTA figured that out by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pablo M 201 Posted November 17, 2007 Share #14 Posted November 17, 2007 Well, the deal with SIR is this: 1. They might get modified M-8s. Still a big rumor. 2. and R179s but modified to keep up with FRA requirements for SIR. This one is just as big a rumor as the mod M-8s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Local Posted November 18, 2007 Share #15 Posted November 18, 2007 How about Slant R-179's? Lets keep the slant tradition going , and install a 15 degree slant on the newest fleet :eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3348 Posted November 18, 2007 Share #16 Posted November 18, 2007 Haha, a 15 DEGREE slant? The most NYCT ever saw was 10...that would be kind of cool, but I'm not sure that could work for some reason... And yeah, I think the R179 should be 60 footers because into the future, the MTA is going to look into putting those screen doors to prevent litter and people from falling onto the tracks. They won't line up properly if the B division uses subway cars with 2 different car lengths. And I'd stick with bench seating. I know a lot of people who say "ew, in bench seating you actually TOUCH PEOPLE!". Three words. The 6 train. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N-Trizzy2609 Posted November 18, 2007 Share #17 Posted November 18, 2007 The SIR is barley used anyway. There's so many rumors about SIR it's not even funny! I heard talk of getting rid of the 3rd Rail in favor of DMU's or Installing catenary wires!!! None of which it gonna happen (or at least I hope). Another is giving SIR modified R160's or Shifting over some R68's. Again, that's not gonna happen. So what is? I'm so confused about the M-8 rumor now talk about a R179? Where's this money coming from. (P.S. The only rumor I DO believe is a light rail connection to Jersey via the Bayonne Bridge.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Local Posted November 19, 2007 Share #18 Posted November 19, 2007 The SIR is barley used anyway. There's so many rumors about SIR it's not even funny! I heard talk of getting rid of the 3rd Rail in favor of DMU's or Installing catenary wires!!! None of which it gonna happen (or at least I hope). Another is giving SIR modified R160's or Shifting over some R68's. Again, that's not gonna happen. So what is? I'm so confused about the M-8 rumor now talk about a R179? Where's this money coming from. (P.S. The only rumor I DO believe is a light rail connection to Jersey via the Bayonne Bridge.) The SIR is used alot more than you think Pal;). Its crazy during rush hours. i grew up in Staten Island, riding the SIR for 20 + Years. Its used alot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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7LineFan Posted December 9, 2008 Share #20 Posted December 9, 2008 Well, the R-179's is replacing the R-44's and possibly R-46's but I don't like those arrangements of the R-32, R-38, R-40, R-40 Slant, R-40M, R-42 and NTT R-142, R-143 and R-160's... Too much touch to each other and especially the 'bottom area'... I don't want to touch your sweat after your workout!!! I hope it is more curved for individuals on the R-179 and R-188, and hope there are a different color other than 'boring blue'... The only reason that there are benches on the trains, and no more bucket seats, is because people complained that the buckets were too small or too large. did away with it by putting benches back. I fit into the buckets, so I don't really care which seating they use, but it's highly unlikely they will use buckets, unless it's a really shallow one like on the R110B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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