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Here story from AM New York about possible service expansion as early as 2012 if the recession ends by then. Most of them were first proposed in 2007 by former MTA Boss Lee Sandler.

 

 

MTA's transit wish list for after the Recession?

Monday August 3, 2009

By Heather Haddon

AM New York staff

 

It may be short on cash, but the MTA is long on dreams.

 

With a hopeful eye on a brighter financial future, the agency is harboring several ideas for improved service for as early as 2012 if the economy improves. Many of the possible expansion ideas and new rail links was proposed right before the global downturn in economy.

 

Expanded service on The (1), (C), (E) and (F) lines in Manhattan and buliding a new Laguardia Airtrain in Flushing?

 

 

If former MTA chief Elliot “Lee” Sander had gotten his way, transit would have expanded service hours on 11 subway lines, including four in Manhattan prior to start of the recession last year.

 

Sander was gunning for more frequent trains along the No. 1, C, E and F lines. He also proposed extending the C to a full 10-cars, ending the mad dash for straphangers on the platform ends.

 

Sadner’s plans also included a second AirTrain service to LaGuardia Airport and converting an old Brooklyn rail line into a subway running in an arc from the Bronx to Brooklyn. The failure of congestion pricing put much of the $29.5 billion plan on hold.

 

The F/V lines in Brooklyn

 

 

The MTA’s $250 million overhaul of a decrepit bridge carrying the F and G lines in Brooklyn has opened new opportunities for service. Transit will study reviving the long-defunct (F) express line after construction ends in 2012, officials said.

 

“It’s something we’ve been promising to the community,” said Andrew Inglesby, transit’s Assistant Director of Government and Community Relations.

 

Most Riders of the (F) train have long complained about slow service. The line is scheduled to arrive every four minutes during rush hour, but it ranks second poorest for service reliability, according to a Straphanger’s Campaign report released this month.

 

“(Express service) is a great idea,” said Junay Adams, 20, an (F) train rider from Brooklyn. “It would be nice to go straight to my destination.”

 

Transit has not determined what stops would be bypassed, but they could include popular ones in Boerum Hill and Carroll Gardens.

 

Additionally, transit will consider running (V) service into Brooklyn when the bridge repairs wrap up, officials said. The line, which now ends at the 2nd Avenue station, could provide local service in Brooklyn along the F line.

 

The (R) line in Brooklyn to be have overnight Manhattan service restored?

 

 

For nearly two decades, Sunset Park and Bay Ridge riders traveling between 36 and 95 streets on the R line have had to slog home late night on shuttle buses to connect to the (D) and (N) lines. Transit was studying full-time R service between Bay Ridge and Forest Hills, Queens prior to the agency’s financial decline, according to a letter written by transit chief Howard Roberts.

 

“That's a great idea, long overdue,” said Ester Orehek, 65, an R train rider. “It would be easier on commuters.”

 

The skipped stations serve more than 57,000 riders on weekdays, according to transit statistics. The MTA currently has no immediate plans to increase service on the R or other lines because of its budget crunch, transit spokesman Charles Seaton said.

 

Other options

 

 

Additionally, the MTA extended the (G) train five stops to Church Avenue in Brooklyn this month and will continue the service until 2012, when work on a bridge carrying the train will end. If finances allow, transit will make the switch permanent, Seaton said.

 

 

Transit has made no decisions on whether to offer (4) peak-hour express service in the Bronx, which it tried in a pilot program last month.

 

c) 2009 AM New York, Inc. an Cablevision company. Anastasia Economides also contributed to this story

 

 

http://www.amny.com/urbanite-1.812039/mta-s-transit-wish-list-1.134636

 

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yes! I'm sooo happy about (F) express service!!!! :P:) :cool: :tup:

 

Calm down young man:cool: This (F) Brooklyn express plan only occurs if the recession is or about to end.

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Calm down young man:cool: This (F) Brooklyn express plan only occurs if the recession is or about to end.

 

I'm pretty damn calm, I'm just happy. No recession lasts forever.

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I think overnight (R) service is a waste of money. The (N) services the line just fine.

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thats a good thing making the (F) express in brooklyn and should make serve more reliable and as far as ther (R) it should be 24 hours and not reduced to a shuttle at night if the (R) becomes full time that (F) can remain a 24 hour express in queens

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I think overnight (R) service is a waste of money. The (N) services the line just fine.

 

Whether you like or not, the master plan by the (MTA) IMO is to take the (G) off Queens Blvd permanetly and thus have the (R) become its replacement including overnights.

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thats a good thing making the (F) express in brooklyn and should make serve more reliable and as far as ther (R) it should be 24 hours and not reduced to a shuttle at night if the (R) becomes full time that (F) can remain a 24 hour express in queens

 

Barring g/o's the (F) is already a 24/7 express in Queens my friend. I think you meant to say the (E) also becoming a full time express on QB as the (E) runs as Queens Local from 1-5am daily when the (R) does not operate.

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Here story from AM New York about possible service expansion as early as 2012 if the recession ends by then. Most of them were first proposed in 2007 by former MTA Boss Lee Sandler.

 

 

MTA's transit wish list for after the Recession?

Monday August 3, 2009

By Heather Haddon

AM New York staff

 

It may be short on cash, but the MTA is long on dreams.

 

With a hopeful eye on a brighter financial future, the agency is harboring several ideas for improved service for as early as 2012 if the economy improves. Many of the possible expansion ideas and new rail links was proposed right before the global downturn in economy.

 

Expanded service on The (1), (C), (E) and (F) lines in Manhattan and buliding a new Laguardia Airtrain in Flushing?

 

 

If former MTA chief Elliot “Lee” Sander had gotten his way, transit would have expanded service hours on 11 subway lines, including four in Manhattan prior to start of the recession last year.

 

Sander was gunning for more frequent trains along the No. 1, C, E and F lines. He also proposed extending the C to a full 10-cars, ending the mad dash for straphangers on the platform ends.

 

Sadner’s plans also included a second AirTrain service to LaGuardia Airport and converting an old Brooklyn rail line into a subway running in an arc from the Bronx to Brooklyn. The failure of congestion pricing put much of the $29.5 billion plan on hold.

 

The F/V lines in Brooklyn

 

 

The MTA’s $250 million overhaul of a decrepit bridge carrying the F and G lines in Brooklyn has opened new opportunities for service. Transit will study reviving the long-defunct (F) express line after construction ends in 2012, officials said.

 

“It’s something we’ve been promising to the community,” said Andrew Inglesby, transit’s Assistant Director of Government and Community Relations.

 

Most Riders of the (F) train have long complained about slow service. The line is scheduled to arrive every four minutes during rush hour, but it ranks second poorest for service reliability, according to a Straphanger’s Campaign report released this month.

 

“(Express service) is a great idea,” said Junay Adams, 20, an (F) train rider from Brooklyn. “It would be nice to go straight to my destination.”

 

Transit has not determined what stops would be bypassed, but they could include popular ones in Boerum Hill and Carroll Gardens.

 

Additionally, transit will consider running (V) service into Brooklyn when the bridge repairs wrap up, officials said. The line, which now ends at the 2nd Avenue station, could provide local service in Brooklyn along the F line.

 

The (R) line in Brooklyn to be have overnight Manhattan service restored?

 

 

For nearly two decades, Sunset Park and Bay Ridge riders traveling between 36 and 95 streets on the R line have had to slog home late night on shuttle buses to connect to the (D) and (N) lines. Transit was studying full-time R service between Bay Ridge and Forest Hills, Queens prior to the agency’s financial decline, according to a letter written by transit chief Howard Roberts.

 

“That's a great idea, long overdue,” said Ester Orehek, 65, an R train rider. “It would be easier on commuters.”

 

The skipped stations serve more than 57,000 riders on weekdays, according to transit statistics. The MTA currently has no immediate plans to increase service on the R or other lines because of its budget crunch, transit spokesman Charles Seaton said.

 

Other options

 

 

Additionally, the MTA extended the (G) train five stops to Church Avenue in Brooklyn this month and will continue the service until 2012, when work on a bridge carrying the train will end. If finances allow, transit will make the switch permanent, Seaton said.

 

 

Transit has made no decisions on whether to offer (4) peak-hour express service in the Bronx, which it tried in a pilot program last month.

 

c) 2009 AM New York, Inc. an Cablevision company. Anastasia Economides also contributed to this story

 

 

http://www.amny.com/urbanite-1.812039/mta-s-transit-wish-list-1.134636

 

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My reactions:

 

 

  • The (C)really needs to see an improvement in service. The fact that it runs only 6 TPH during weekdays is sad, and during rush hours it only runs 7. But if the (C) does see increase in service with 2-4 minute headways during rush hours and also runs a 10-car consist, more cars will be needed. But since the R160 order will displace all of the remaining SMEEs and with 62 extra cars then the R46s will probably come to 207th/Pitkin to provide the extra service needed.

 

 

 

  • I have mixed feelings with the (F) express. Personally, I'm happy that express service is a possibility, but Park Slope riders will lose their so-called "one-seat" ride to Manhattan. And if express service is restored, Bergen Street is another situation because the lower level needs repair and also extra stairs (there are only two sets of stairs, I believe). And if the (V) comes into Brooklyn there will be serious bottlenecking at Bergen Street. If the (F) runs express and the (V) runs local or vice versa, the Sixth Avenue train that runs local will slow down the (G) (which is forced to operate local only) and the Sixth Avenue train that runs express. So this is what I'm concerned about.

 

 

 

  • (R) trains at night would be a very good idea. It can operate as far as 57th Street but because the (E) is mainly by itself during late nights since the (G) is permanently ordered to terminate at Court Square, then the (R) can be permanently be ordered to operate to Queens to provide relief for the (E) so passengers won't have to wait 20 minutes for a train. So Broadway riders will have dual local services (the (N) and the (R)) and one express (the (Q)). This is becoming a pattern on other lines, such as the Broadway-Seventh Avenue line where the (1) and (2) operate local and the (3) operates express. Hopefully this will be introduced to Lexington Avenue so the (5) can operate express to Grand Central at night.

 

 

Those are my reactions. The economy is getting better anyway (the DOW is above the 9,000 mark; hopefully it'll pass 10,000 soon) and the MTA won't have to worry about service cuts or fare hikes for years to come, especially since none are in store for 2010.

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The economy is getting better anyway (the DOW is above the 9,000 mark; hopefully it'll pass 10,000 soon) and the MTA won't have to worry about service cuts or fare hikes for years to come, especially since none are in store for 2010.

 

The economy isn't getting better inasmuch as the recession is simply slowing or has actually reached its bottom. As far as what's in store for the next 18 months... things "in store" are always subject to restocking, if you catch my drift. Until we see positive trends in all areas of the economy, products and goods consumption and the real estate market for probably a year, it's a little brash to declare the recession over, everyone's job safe and government funding a definite. Still, I'm trying to remain just as positive as you are about getting out of the red.

 

Has anyone here sat down for a few minutes to try to figure out if this enhanced service will bring about enough revenue to justify the service changes? While the (MTA) serves the public, it also serves itself. I doubt they'd implement any services which would not provide a fair profit. Added service means added car maintenance, train crews, power consumption, station aides and it can sometimes bring additional problems in the event of a service interruption or change. Will bringing the (V) into Brooklyn as a local really pay off (literally) in the not-too-distant future?

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no i said the (F) will remain a 24/7 queens express with the (G) off qb the plans were to make the (E) and (F) be the qb locals but if the (R) becomes full time it can run local along with the (E) and the (F) can remain 24/7 queens express

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Most of these service implements are not needed. Like the (F) express, or the bridge repair, or (C) 10-train full car. It would be useful to some people depending on who you ask. Weren't all of these ideas talked about over the past few years, and nothing ever happened.

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Here story from AM New York about possible service expansion as early as 2012 if the recession ends by then. Most of them were first proposed in 2007 by former MTA Boss Lee Sandler.

 

 

MTA's transit wish list for after the Recession?

Monday August 3, 2009

By Heather Haddon

AM New York staff

 

It may be short on cash, but the MTA is long on dreams.

 

With a hopeful eye on a brighter financial future, the agency is harboring several ideas for improved service for as early as 2012 if the economy improves. Many of the possible expansion ideas and new rail links was proposed right before the global downturn in economy.

 

Expanded service on The (1), (C), (E) and (F) lines in Manhattan and buliding a new Laguardia Airtrain in Flushing?

 

 

If former MTA chief Elliot “Lee” Sander had gotten his way, transit would have expanded service hours on 11 subway lines, including four in Manhattan prior to start of the recession last year.

 

Sander was gunning for more frequent trains along the No. 1, C, E and F lines. He also proposed extending the C to a full 10-cars, ending the mad dash for straphangers on the platform ends.

 

Sadner’s plans also included a second AirTrain service to LaGuardia Airport and converting an old Brooklyn rail line into a subway running in an arc from the Bronx to Brooklyn. The failure of congestion pricing put much of the $29.5 billion plan on hold.

 

The F/V lines in Brooklyn

 

 

The MTA’s $250 million overhaul of a decrepit bridge carrying the F and G lines in Brooklyn has opened new opportunities for service. Transit will study reviving the long-defunct (F) express line after construction ends in 2012, officials said.

 

“It’s something we’ve been promising to the community,” said Andrew Inglesby, transit’s Assistant Director of Government and Community Relations.

 

Most Riders of the (F) train have long complained about slow service. The line is scheduled to arrive every four minutes during rush hour, but it ranks second poorest for service reliability, according to a Straphanger’s Campaign report released this month.

 

“(Express service) is a great idea,” said Junay Adams, 20, an (F) train rider from Brooklyn. “It would be nice to go straight to my destination.”

 

Transit has not determined what stops would be bypassed, but they could include popular ones in Boerum Hill and Carroll Gardens.

 

Additionally, transit will consider running (V) service into Brooklyn when the bridge repairs wrap up, officials said. The line, which now ends at the 2nd Avenue station, could provide local service in Brooklyn along the F line.

 

The (R) line in Brooklyn to be have overnight Manhattan service restored?

 

 

For nearly two decades, Sunset Park and Bay Ridge riders traveling between 36 and 95 streets on the R line have had to slog home late night on shuttle buses to connect to the (D) and (N) lines. Transit was studying full-time R service between Bay Ridge and Forest Hills, Queens prior to the agency’s financial decline, according to a letter written by transit chief Howard Roberts.

 

“That's a great idea, long overdue,” said Ester Orehek, 65, an R train rider. “It would be easier on commuters.”

 

The skipped stations serve more than 57,000 riders on weekdays, according to transit statistics. The MTA currently has no immediate plans to increase service on the R or other lines because of its budget crunch, transit spokesman Charles Seaton said.

 

Other options

 

 

Additionally, the MTA extended the (G) train five stops to Church Avenue in Brooklyn this month and will continue the service until 2012, when work on a bridge carrying the train will end. If finances allow, transit will make the switch permanent, Seaton said.

 

 

Transit has made no decisions on whether to offer (4) peak-hour express service in the Bronx, which it tried in a pilot program last month.

 

c) 2009 AM New York, Inc. an Cablevision company. Anastasia Economides also contributed to this story

 

 

http://www.amny.com/urbanite-1.812039/mta-s-transit-wish-list-1.134636

 

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First of all,

(V) going to Brooklyn? HELL NO!

 

Second of all, does this mean Lower Bergen might reopen? > "Transit has not determined what stops would be bypassed, but they could include popular ones in Boerum Hill and Carroll Gardens."

 

Third of all, (R) nightime service isn't so bad. (Get over it Julio, its good!)

 

Forth of all, <4> express in the cards???!???!???!

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Third of all, (R) nightime service isn't so bad. (Get over it Julio, its good!)

Says the person that lives in New Jersey. I've ridden the (N) during late nights when it's running in place of the (R) and most of the time it's empty. Seems like a waste of money to me.

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LGA train is very needed, it just makes NYC look bad that the only fully domestic airport in city limits has no true rail connection, many other east coast airports have rail connections.

 

To name a few:

 

PHL, EWR, JFK, BWI, PVD, ISP, DCA, HYA, BOS.... When the rail link is completed up north between NJ and PA, there will be a link to ABE as well most likely.

 

- A

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LGA train is very needed, it just makes NYC look bad that the only fully domestic airport in city limits has no true rail connection, every other east coast airport does.

 

- A

 

LGA sure needs some rail service, I agree totally!

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They better put the weekend (M) extension to Manhattan back on the table! That was in the next batch of improvements (along with the (R)) when the recession hit, and bnow itlooks lik it has been forgotten about already!

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They better put the weekend (M) extension to Manhattan back on the table! That was in the next batch of improvements (along with the (R)) when the recession hit, and bnow itlooks lik it has been forgotten about already!

 

Yup, sometimes the (J) takes too long on the weekends. And with only one Queens Boulevard local at night and on the weekends, the (R) should definitely be a late night regular.

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HOw about actually having the (G) running along QB nights and weekends like it's supposed to and making it have a full train length?

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The economy isn't getting better inasmuch as the recession is simply slowing or has actually reached its bottom. As far as what's in store for the next 18 months... things "in store" are always subject to restocking, if you catch my drift. Until we see positive trends in all areas of the economy, products and goods consumption and the real estate market for probably a year, it's a little brash to declare the recession over, everyone's job safe and government funding a definite. Still, I'm trying to remain just as positive as you are about getting out of the red.

 

Thank you. People seem to foolishly want to believe that if the stock market goes up the recession is over. Lots of people are out of work, can't pay their bills, etc. The underlying problems that have caused this recession have not really gone away. Personal debt is still high, inflation is starting again (yay another bubble), and working wages have yet to show any gains compared to executive/front office wages which are crushing the economy with their weight. Personal saving has come up a bit, but not nearly enough to effect positive long term results. Further, government deficits have gone up which has the potential to devalue the US dollar and we are still importing most of our goods and running a massive trade deficit which is slowly shipping wealth out of this country.

 

Far from solved, or anywhere close, I'd say. And until that happens, (MTA) would be wise to support the most needed projects (like Phase I of SAS) rather than service changes which may "benefit" riders who don't have to deal with completely overcrowded trains and a completely overcrowded corridor, but rather just have to wait a few more minutes, or make an extra transfer.

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no one not talking about brining back (9) line.

and create new line that (8) Lexington Avenue Local

that will follow the (4) line in the bronx. ( 8 ) line

( will run only Weekdays. (4) and ( 8) will do skip - stop in the bronx?

bring back late nights service or run weekdays rush hours

i mean <6> to be extended to Atlantic Avenue weekdays - midday rush hours

8a.m. - 2:30p..m.

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no one not talking about brining back (9) line.

and create new line that (8) Lexington Avenue Local

that will follow the (4) line in the bronx. ( 8 ) line

( will run only Weekdays. (4) and ( 8) will do skip - stop in the bronx?

bring back late nights service or run weekdays rush hours

i mean <6> to be extended to Atlantic Avenue weekdays - midday rush hours

8a.m. - 2:30p..m.

 

Please discuss that in the Fantasy Forum. Those have nothing to do with what's being discussed here.

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no one not talking about brining back (9) line.

and create new line that (8) Lexington Avenue Local

that will follow the (4) line in the bronx. ( 8 ) line

( will run only Weekdays. (4) and ( 8) will do skip - stop in the bronx?

bring back late nights service or run weekdays rush hours

i mean <6> to be extended to Atlantic Avenue weekdays - midday rush hours

8a.m. - 2:30p..m.

 

Yeah... sure buddy biggrin.gif

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Thank you. People seem to foolishly want to believe that if the stock market goes up the recession is over. Lots of people are out of work, can't pay their bills, etc. The underlying problems that have caused this recession have not really gone away. Personal debt is still high, inflation is starting again (yay another bubble), and working wages have yet to show any gains compared to executive/front office wages which are crushing the economy with their weight. Personal saving has come up a bit, but not nearly enough to effect positive long term results. Further, government deficits have gone up which has the potential to devalue the US dollar and we are still importing most of our goods and running a massive trade deficit which is slowly shipping wealth out of this country.

 

Far from solved, or anywhere close, I'd say. And until that happens, (MTA) would be wise to support the most needed projects (like Phase I of SAS) rather than service changes which may "benefit" riders who don't have to deal with completely overcrowded trains and a completely overcrowded corridor, but rather just have to wait a few more minutes, or make an extra transfer.

 

Minor service increases such as running the (M) on weekends or the (C) until 1230am is not that expensive. However i do agree that the SAS should be a top propority and if that means delaying the EAST SIDE LIRR extension to Grand Central so be it.

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