New MTA-TWU Contract Discussion

[Rutgers Tube]

I read in the Chief, the NYC Civil Service newspaper that arbitration is just about over and the MTA is set to sign a new contract with TWU for the next years, with tentative pay raises of 4%, 4% and 3.5% each of those years. I also read something about the receiving the right to use OPTO, though I may have misunderstood that part. At any rate, I was wondering if anyone knew of the exact details of the new contract and what everyone thinks of this. This should of significant importance to a lot of us who took the recent DCAS exams, as those lists will be posted and hiring will most likely begin before this new contract expires.

 

Any information or thoughts, especially from Transit employees, is welcome.

 

Thanks!

[Jah]

The raises are 4/4/3 but in reality they are much much less because the first 2 years the raises are split into halves and we didn't get any raise or retro from jan until april. The union is saying no expanded OPTO or regional bus but the full details aren't yet out.

[Rutgers Tube]

The raises are 4/4/3 but in reality they are much much less because the first 2 years the raises are split into halves and we didn't get any raise or retro from jan until april. The union is saying no expanded OPTO or regional bus but the full details aren't yet out.

 

So are you saying that the first two years will consist of two raises of 2% each year?

 

As far as OPTO goes, it just really isn't logical. Someone is going to get hurt - or possibly worse - before the TA drops that idea.

 

Jah, do you know what lines they've been planning on expanding OPTO to? Not systemwide, huh?

 

That six-month raise crap is just that - TWU worked hard and on good terms with the MTA these past 7+ without a contract and they shouldn't be nickeled and dimed to hell.

[Jah]

So are you saying that the first two years will consist of two raises of 2% each year?

 

As far as OPTO goes, it just really isn't logical. Someone is going to get hurt - or possibly worse - before the TA drops that idea.

 

Jah, do you know what lines they've been planning on expanding OPTO to? Not systemwide, huh?

 

That six-month raise crap is just that - TWU worked hard and on good terms with the MTA these past 7+ without a contract and they shouldn't be nickeled and dimed to hell.

 

According to the unions website there will be two 2% raises for each 2009 and 2010 and a full 3% raise in 2011 with NO raise or retro pay for Jan 15 until April 16.

 

The TA wants to expand OPTO next to the 7 line and then to what ever lines get the CBTC and/or ATO technology.

[KNIGHTRIDER3:16]

Relax guys yeh ain't gonna run out of vasaline for all of us so sit doggy sit and obey cuz we all know what's really good and what the Mega-Powers have in-store

[Rutgers Tube]

According to the unions website there will be two 2% raises for each 2009 and 2010 and a full 3% raise in 2011 with NO raise or retro pay for Jan 15 until April 16..

 

That's ridiculous! Over at DC-37, we worked for nearly a year before a new contract was signed and EVERYONE was banking (literally) on that retro check. As were NYPD, the Teamsters, and everyone else who was or still is working without a contract. I don't know why they chose a three-month period, but I thought that all contracts are retroactive to the date at which the former contract expired. If that's the case, then you men and women should get what is rightfully yours.

 

Thanks for the info.

[7LineFan]

The TA wants to expand OPTO next to the 7 line

 

Oh HELL NO.

[DOB2RTO]

The TA wants to expand OPTO next to the 7 line and then to what ever lines get the CBTC and/or ATO technology.

 

They do that, I wonder how many of us will get written up, for those politicos on that damn line complaining they got hit by the door. Hard enough for a C/R to get those doors closed, now someone way at the front of 10 or 11 cars suppose to do it, with the help of a dinky monitor(s)..........

 

Relax guys yeh ain't gonna run out of vasaline for all of us so sit doggy sit and obey cuz we all know what's really good and what the Mega-Powers have in-store

 

I like it without lube from the TA. I want to be raw and sore, so I can remember how I got screwed by them.........

[LexAveExp5]

ok guys, here is the official word! 11.3% raise over 3 years, NO OPTO, NO healthcare contributions on overtime pay

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/12/nyregion/12mta.html?_r=1&scp=2&sq=mta&st=cse

 

2 Operators on Subway Trains, for Now Sign in to Recommend

By MICHAEL M. GRYNBAUM

Published: August 11, 2009

The Metropolitan Transportation Authority’s long-sought goal of running subway trains with only one person will have to wait at least until 2012, after a negotiating tactic with its major union backfired.

 

N.Y. Metropolitan Transportation AuthorityDuring contract talks, the agency dropped its demand for one-person train operation, instead of two, thinking that Transport Workers Union Local 100 would make health care concessions in return.

 

But an arbitration panel has found there had been “no evidence” of a quid pro quo — handing a victory to the workers, who had been seeking to limit their health care contributions.

 

Establishing one-person train operation has been a major goal of New York City Transit for more than a decade. Using one-person crews would save millions in labor costs, and the agency, which wanted to start the program on the No. 7 and L lines, has already invested in new compatible subway cars.

 

The program has been held up by objections from the union, which stood to lose jobs and wages, and from rider advocates concerned about security.

 

Disappointed officials warned that the ruling would raise the budget of the cash-poor agency an additional $350 million over three years, which could lead to cuts.

 

“We have to make it work, if it’s layoffs, or service cuts, or whatever it is,” H. Dale Hemmerdinger, the chairman of the transportation authority, said in an interview. “We will do our best to have as little impact on our riders as possible.”

 

The ruling, copies of which were given to the parties on Tuesday, also gives workers a 11.3 percent raise over three years.

 

Union officials said the new contract puts transit workers on an equal footing with other city employees, and they said that the transportation authority has enough funds to cover the higher costs.

 

The arbitration panel said the authority could use federal stimulus funds and money from its capital program to make up any shortfall in its operating budget.

[LexAveExp5]

if the raise is split up in 2, its MORE money, not less!

 

this is what it would look like for a brand spanking new train operator earning $26.99/hr for 2080 hours a year after a 2% raise every 6 months.

 

$26.99 * 2080 = $56,139.20

$56,139.20 * 1.02 = $57,261.98 after 6 months

$57,261.98 * 1.02 = $58,407.22 after 1 year

 

 

this is what it would look like for a brand spanking new train operator earning $26.99/hr for 2080 hours a year after a 4% raise every year.

 

$26.99 * 2080 = $56,139.20

$56,139.20 * 1.04 = $58,384.76 after 1 year

 

 

math isnt disputable

[Rutgers Tube]

if the raise is split up in 2, its MORE money, not less!

 

this is what it would look like for a brand spanking new train operator earning $26.99/hr for 2080 hours a year after a 2% raise every 6 months.

 

$26.99 * 2080 = $56,139.20

$56,139.20 * 1.02 = $57,261.98 after 6 months

$57,261.98 * 1.02 = $58,407.22 after 1 year

 

 

this is what it would look like for a brand spanking new train operator earning $26.99/hr for 2080 hours a year after a 4% raise every year.

 

$26.99 * 2080 = $56,139.20

$56,139.20 * 1.04 = $58,384.76 after 1 year

 

 

math isnt disputable

 

You made my break out my calculator and perform math at 5 am!

 

I almost have to completely agree with you, but it depends on how you're viewing the raise progression in terms of the fiscal year and if it's compounded or not. Obviously the bigger the raise, the better. One 4% will bring more money in at the end of 12 months than will one 2% raise at the beginning of the time period and another 2% raise after six months. You did a second 2% raise ON TOP of the original 2% raise, making it compounded. The article does not specify whether the raises are compounded it or not. That is why two separate raises appear to be more.

 

I'd prefer to have a heavier raise than two lighter ones, especially when the gross difference is all of about $20.

[Truckie]

if the raise is split up in 2, its MORE money, not less!

 

this is what it would look like for a brand spanking new train operator earning $26.99/hr for 2080 hours a year after a 2% raise every 6 months.

 

$26.99 * 2080 = $56,139.20

$56,139.20 * 1.02 = $57,261.98 after 6 months

$57,261.98 * 1.02 = $58,407.22 after 1 year

 

 

this is what it would look like for a brand spanking new train operator earning $26.99/hr for 2080 hours a year after a 4% raise every year.

 

$26.99 * 2080 = $56,139.20

$56,139.20 * 1.04 = $58,384.76 after 1 year

 

 

math isnt disputable

 

I have to dispute not the math but the formula you are basing your numbers. You are basing both 2% semi annual increases on a full years worth of hours (2080). Realistically, each increase should be based on six months worth of hours (1040). Based on this calculation:

 

$26.99 + 2% (0.54) = 27.53 * 1040 = $28,631.20 for first six month earnings.

$27.53 + 2% (0.55) = 28.08 * 1040 = $29,203.20 for second six month earnings.

Making the annual wages $57,834.40

 

The 4% method would pan out like this:

 

$26.99 + 4% (1.08) = 28.07 * 2080 = $58,385.60 for a full year 4% raise.

[Jah]

if the raise is split up in 2, its MORE money, not less!

 

 

This is the way it was broken down to me:

 

 

In effect, we got a 0% raise from 1/16/09 to 4/16/09. Then a 2% raise from 4/16/09 to 10/16/09.

There's a 2% raise from 10/16/09 to 4/16/10.

That's followed by another 2% raise from 4/16/10 to 10/16/10, a 2% raise from 10/16/10 to 1/16/11, and then a 3% raise on 1/16/11, with the contract expiring on 1/15/12.

The cost to the MTA, and the money in your pocket is roughly equivalent to 3, 3, and 3.

We failed to match the 4% and 4% DC 37 got.

[CPBO]

ok guys, here is the official word! 11.3% raise over 3 years, NO OPTO, NO healthcare contributions on overtime pay

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/12/nyregion/12mta.html?_r=1&scp=2&sq=mta&st=cse

 

2 Operators on Subway Trains, for Now Sign in to Recommend

By MICHAEL M. GRYNBAUM

Published: August 11, 2009

The Metropolitan Transportation Authority’s long-sought goal of running subway trains with only one person will have to wait at least until 2012, after a negotiating tactic with its major union backfired.

 

N.Y. Metropolitan Transportation AuthorityDuring contract talks, the agency dropped its demand for one-person train operation, instead of two, thinking that Transport Workers Union Local 100 would make health care concessions in return.

 

But an arbitration panel has found there had been “no evidence” of a quid pro quo — handing a victory to the workers, who had been seeking to limit their health care contributions.

 

Establishing one-person train operation has been a major goal of New York City Transit for more than a decade. Using one-person crews would save millions in labor costs, and the agency, which wanted to start the program on the No. 7 and L lines, has already invested in new compatible subway cars.

 

The program has been held up by objections from the union, which stood to lose jobs and wages, and from rider advocates concerned about security.

 

Disappointed officials warned that the ruling would raise the budget of the cash-poor agency an additional $350 million over three years, which could lead to cuts.

 

“We have to make it work, if it’s layoffs, or service cuts, or whatever it is,” H. Dale Hemmerdinger, the chairman of the transportation authority, said in an interview. “We will do our best to have as little impact on our riders as possible.”

 

The ruling, copies of which were given to the parties on Tuesday, also gives workers a 11.3 percent raise over three years.

 

Union officials said the new contract puts transit workers on an equal footing with other city employees, and they said that the transportation authority has enough funds to cover the higher costs.

 

The arbitration panel said the authority could use federal stimulus funds and money from its capital program to make up any shortfall in its operating budget.

 

Glad everybody is so happy to dicuss our raises in open forum.......

[Locomotion69]

What about ATU? (Queens/Staten Island) does this new contract apply to them also?

[Jah]

What about ATU? (Queens/Staten Island) does this new contract apply to them also?

 

No they are a seperate bargaining unit. Just like it doesn't cover the DC37 represented TA workers.

[LexAveExp5]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2009/08/12/2009-08-12_mta_head_doesnt_rule_out_fare_hikes_given_transit_pay_raises.html

 

MTA head doesn't rule out fare hikes given transit pay raises

by Pete Donohue and Adam Lisberg

Daily News Staff Writers

 

Wednesday, August 12th 2009, 4:00 AM

 

Helena Williams, MTA's intertim executive director said she can't rule out a fare hike.

 

The acting head of the MTA said on Tuesday she can't rule out a fare hike to pay for raises granted to bus and subway workers, which hiked their pay 11.3% over three years.

 

"That's a question that we're going to have to look at," said Helena Williams, the MTA's interim executive director.

 

"We very much want to maintain an affordable system for our customers ... but it's a challenge."

 

The MTA's financial plan calls for fare hikes in 2011 and 2013 but doesn't account for the $350 million cost of the new deal, approved yesterday by a 2-to-1 vote of an arbitration panel.

 

Transport Workers Union Local 100 members will get raises of 4%, 4% and 3.08% over the three years, or 11.3% compounded.

 

The arbitration ruling also lowers health care contributions to 1.5% from 1.53% of salary, which will no longer apply to overtime.

 

"It is going to clearly throw the financial plan out of balance," said Williams.

 

The ruling says the MTA can pay for the raises with federal stimulus funds, but could dip into capital construction funds if deficits loom - delaying expansion projects but not core maintenance.

 

 

 

 

 

so it was compounded. the raise agreed upon was only 11.08% but the actual raise in the workers' pockets will be 11.3%. is that right? lol

[FlushingFlash]

No they are a seperate bargaining unit. Just like it doesn't cover the DC37 represented TA workers.

 

Stop with the 11.3 its 4/4/3 over three years which is 11%

ATU 1056 and Staten Island follow TWU100 so we get the same thing contract wise

[Rutgers Tube]

Stop with the 11.3 its 4/4/3 over three years which is 11%

ATU 1056 and Staten Island follow TWU100 so we get the same thing contract wise

 

No, it's 11.3% COMPOUNDED after all of the raises have been doled out over the next several years, which is different than simply 11%. The raise of a raise is a compound raise. Perhaps to the suit and tie corporate types, the 0.3% is negligible. To us blue collar folk, the 0.3% is a monthly utility bill.

[SubwayGuy]

I have to dispute not the math but the formula you are basing your numbers. You are basing both 2% semi annual increases on a full years worth of hours (2080). Realistically, each increase should be based on six months worth of hours (1040). Based on this calculation:

 

$26.99 + 2% (0.54) = 27.53 * 1040 = $28,631.20 for first six month earnings.

$27.53 + 2% (0.55) = 28.08 * 1040 = $29,203.20 for second six month earnings.

Making the annual wages $57,834.40

 

The 4% method would pan out like this:

 

$26.99 + 4% (1.08) = 28.07 * 2080 = $58,385.60 for a full year 4% raise.

 

Good post. Was going to point that out but you beat me to it.

[LexAveExp5]

yeah, they always give a raise to their CURRENT salary. there was no way having more raises could have been LESS money

[TransitMan23]

According to the unions website there will be two 2% raises for each 2009 and 2010 and a full 3% raise in 2011 with NO raise or retro pay for Jan 15 until April 16.

 

The TA wants to expand OPTO next to the 7 line and then to what ever lines get the CBTC and/or ATO technology.

so how much hourly will we get? 3 dollars?

[Jah]

so how much hourly will we get? 3 dollars?

 

That depends on what your title is.

[Trainmaster5]

The unknown is called "work rule changes". While everyone focuses on the $$$ aspect from my experience this is where the no vaseline, barbed wire enema comes into play. The devil is in the details, not the so-called highlights.

[DevilBus65]

Work rules are something to keep people in line. If you are doing your job,then it's no big deal. If you are a screw up then it's all on you,just like in school,you fail yourself. Gotta remember that you are doing a job,they pay you and make the rules.