Far Rock Depot Posted August 24, 2009 Share #26 Posted August 24, 2009 Not in Manhattan at least, if the MTA chooses to expand in the outer boroughs, there might be cases where the lines will be elevated. They will most likely use concrete viaducts as opposed to what we see today. like the el structure on the leading to the portal for archer ave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted August 25, 2009 Share #27 Posted August 25, 2009 like the el structure on the leading to the portal for archer ave. Hard to believe it I know that was 20 years ago...but nowadays any elevated expansion anywhere in the five boro's will be met with a lot of complaining and political backlash. People have no spines any more. They are selfish and love to hear their own voices, and they love to complain to get others to fix things for them. They never do it themselves. That attitude has got to change because it has impeded American progress for a while now. Entitlement, selfishness, greed, and complaining have to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Far Rock Depot Posted August 25, 2009 Share #28 Posted August 25, 2009 wow!! that WAS 2 decades ago!! I was around 11 when that extention opened in '88! damn! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatOne2k Posted August 25, 2009 Share #29 Posted August 25, 2009 Not in Manhattan at least, if the MTA chooses to expand in the outer boroughs, there might be cases where the lines will be elevated. They will most likely use concrete viaducts as opposed to what we see today. Like the JFK Airtrain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trainmaster5 Posted August 25, 2009 Share #30 Posted August 25, 2009 Maybe some of the protesters were jerked around the last time construction was underway and they smell a rat this time too. It's not only the employees who don't trust the . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted August 25, 2009 Share #31 Posted August 25, 2009 You will never see another elevated line in NYC. Why not? Isnt an EL line much cheaper then doing an Sub? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7LineFan Posted August 25, 2009 Share #32 Posted August 25, 2009 Why not? Isnt an EL line much cheaper then doing an Sub? EL lines are noisy and unattractive to the neighborhood. NIMBY if you will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted August 25, 2009 Share #33 Posted August 25, 2009 EL lines are noisy and unattractive to the neighborhood. NIMBY if you will. What about an EL viaduct similar to Flushing/Rockaway Beach Lines? Thats not as noise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Julio Posted August 25, 2009 Share #34 Posted August 25, 2009 What about an EL viaduct similar to Flushing/Rockaway Beach Lines? Thats not as noise That would take even more space compared to a regular EL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamousNYLover Posted August 25, 2009 Share #35 Posted August 25, 2009 I cannot stand overcrowding on both Lex Av subway and M15 bus, well as many crosstown buses via Upper East Side. Especially during Yankees games, they tries to squeeze into already crowded train, even thought MNRR opened Yankees-E. 153rd St, it still crowded. With SAS, M15 SBS, it will make relief on Lex Av trains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRG Posted August 25, 2009 Share #36 Posted August 25, 2009 I cannot stand overcrowding on both Lex Av subway and M15 bus, well as many crosstown buses via Upper East Side.Especially during Yankees games, they tries to squeeze into already crowded train, even thought MNRR opened Yankees-E. 153rd St, it still crowded. With SAS, M15 SBS, it will make relief on Lex Av trains. 153rd Street was never a popular station since it opened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatOne2k Posted August 27, 2009 Share #37 Posted August 27, 2009 153rd Street was never a popular station since it opened. It is popular with those from the suburbs though during Yankee Games, some people who used to drive now use MNR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRG Posted August 27, 2009 Share #38 Posted August 27, 2009 It is popular with those from the suburbs though during Yankee Games, some people who used to drive now use MNR. Don't get me wrong...the station serves its purposs, but it's not as utilized as much as the MTA had hoped for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Far Rock Depot Posted August 28, 2009 Share #39 Posted August 28, 2009 Don't get me wrong...the station serves its purposs, but it's not as utilized as much as the MTA had hoped for. it is a relatively new station. give it some time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KTrainExp Posted August 28, 2009 Share #40 Posted August 28, 2009 Why not? Isnt an EL line much cheaper then doing an Sub? And bring down the prices of houses on the East Side...not such a bright idea if you've seen the residences on the East Side and how the people would react to more noise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted August 29, 2009 Share #41 Posted August 29, 2009 And bring down the prices of houses on the East Side...not such a bright idea if you've seen the residences on the East Side and how the people would react to more noise. Oh please I live there and I hate the disgusting yuppies and rich old hag that live in this neighborhood. They'd protest the addition of a toys r us in the middle of third avenue even if it was only allowed to be open 2 hours a day. but more starbucks and expensive restaurants and "cafes" for the yuppies to hang out and try and impress others? done. more duane reads for the old hags to grocery shop? you got it. actual progress in the neighborhood and anything for the real people that live here? fugheddaboudit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INDman Posted August 29, 2009 Share #42 Posted August 29, 2009 Oh please I live there and I hate the disgusting yuppies and rich old hag that live in this neighborhood. They'd protest the addition of a toys r us in the middle of third avenue even if it was only allowed to be open 2 hours a day. but more starbucks and expensive restaurants and "cafes" for the yuppies to hang out and try and impress others? done. more duane reads for the old hags to grocery shop? you got it. actual progress in the neighborhood and anything for the real people that live here? fugheddaboudit This is why I love the work of Robert Moses, no matter who hated his work or how loud they cried, it happened. To bad he was not a fan of transit because the whole second system and then some would have been built. The whole East Side needs to be told to shut the f**k up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted August 29, 2009 Share #43 Posted August 29, 2009 This is why I love the work of Robert Moses, no matter who hated his work or how loud they cried, it happened. To bad he was not a fan of transit because the whole second system and then some would have been built. The whole East Side needs to be told to shut the f**k up. HEY... ...except for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted August 29, 2009 Share #44 Posted August 29, 2009 HEY... ...except for me I moved out of that area in 2005, seems I left at a good time. I don't remember it being that 'bad'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INDman Posted August 29, 2009 Share #45 Posted August 29, 2009 HEY... ...except for me Well, I guess you can keep on going as usual (productive member of socity) The rest of them can shove it... and so can all the others who "yell not in my backyard". The subway needs to expand and some asshats opinion should not block it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted August 29, 2009 Share #46 Posted August 29, 2009 I moved out of that area in 2005, seems I left at a good time. I don't remember it being that 'bad'. It's gotten worse over the last couple years, but I can't tell if that's it actually getting worse or me just being more aware of it. The worst of the neighborhood is out between 7 and 10 am in the morning, and 9pm on during Thurs/Fri/Sat. During that first time you will see yuppies drinking coffee, rushing off to work all in a hurry and a huff and a puff, and being rude to all around them, and old people getting ready to do their grocery shopping and getting in the way of all the yuppies. During that second time you see all the miserable single yuppie bimbo's who can't get a man because they are snobs, or every time they have a chance they feel "threatened" and lead the guy on then do nothing, or because they can't hold their liquor, or because they are annoying as hell, or because when they meet a guy the first thing they say is how they want to travel all over the world (guy thinks: AAHHH MONEY DRAIN!!!). Anyway they all go out to the local bars and get drunk only they don't know how to handle their alcohol so they wind up stumbling all over street corners, screaming into their phones, crying when they can't find their friends, and throwing up in cabs. Meanwhile all the guys up here are wheeler dealer rich boy types who just flaunt their money and think buying these pathetic broads drinks is a way to go. It's a pretty darn pathetic state of affairs up here these days... and NONE of them want anything built near them...forget NIMBY its BANA (build absolutely nothing anywhere) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted August 29, 2009 Share #47 Posted August 29, 2009 It's gotten worse over the last couple years, but I can't tell if that's it actually getting worse or me just being more aware of it. The worst of the neighborhood is out between 7 and 10 am in the morning, and 9pm on during Thurs/Fri/Sat. During that first time you will see yuppies drinking coffee, rushing off to work all in a hurry and a huff and a puff, and being rude to all around them, and old people getting ready to do their grocery shopping and getting in the way of all the yuppies. During that second time you see all the miserable single yuppie bimbo's who can't get a man because they are snobs, or every time they have a chance they feel "threatened" and lead the guy on then do nothing, or because they can't hold their liquor, or because they are annoying as hell, or because when they meet a guy the first thing they say is how they want to travel all over the world (guy things: AAHHH MONEY DRAIN!!!). Anyway they all go out to the local bars and get drunk only they don't know how to handle their alcohol so they wind up stumbling all over street corners, screaming into their phones, crying when they can't find their friends, and throwing up in cabs. It's a pretty darn pathetic state of affairs up here these days... One thing's for sure, I went back to 86th St one day and it was the first time I got off the 4/5 at that station since I moved out and the cameras everywhere and the whole neighborhood was no longer the same. More condos built etc. It's not the same place I used to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted August 29, 2009 Share #48 Posted August 29, 2009 Well, I guess you can keep on going as usual (productive member of socity) The rest of them can shove it... and so can all the others who "yell not in my backyard". The subway needs to expand and some asshats opinion should not block it. If the government gives me decent compensation for my house and can find a suitable location to move to, I'd take it. I can understand to some extent why people don't want their properties damaged or devalued. But then again it becomes too extreme and sometimes you have to tell them to shut their traps and let progress happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted August 29, 2009 Share #49 Posted August 29, 2009 One thing's for sure, I went back to 86th St one day and it was the first time I got off the 4/5 at that station since I moved out and the cameras everywhere and the whole neighborhood was no longer the same. More condos built etc. It's not the same place I used to know. Yes they love to knock down the old 4 and 5 story buildings which were once a staple of this neighborhood. Even the 6-7 story brick apartment buildings that were a staple of late 60s and early 70s construction are starting to go. it's all about high rises and lots of ugly corporate looking mostly glass buildings. Second avenue and 86th has changed a lot too. there is a great German restaurant there called the Heidelberg which is a good time but it has gotten priced out and it costs a lot to go there now because of skyrocketing rent and now eveyrthing around it has practically come down. A pizza place, a cold stone ice cream, a furniture store, and a restaurant, and two apartment buildings, all gone. Meanwhile the only thing that has come in to replace any of that is a bar/club with loud music filled with ugly girls, guys that take going to the gym too seriously, and people who love to smoke on the sidewalk. The rest hasn't been filled in. It really sucks what they've done to the neighborhood because it had its root in working class German families back in the day but now it's getting geared up to be "midtown lite" and filled with the crooks that spend their working days sitting in offices chasing paper profits by selling intangible things Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted August 29, 2009 Share #50 Posted August 29, 2009 I hear ya, that's what made that place great. It was just another neighborhood - quiet and peaceful and a few bars. But I can imagine the area has turned into 'sex and the city' and for all the wrong reasons. I'd like my quiet neighborhood over chic trash anyday. I now know that I don't regret moving out at all [though it wasn't because of this, but mainly since my parents were no longer renting out the house in Brooklyn and decided it was time to fix it up so we can live in it than to rent it out and pay the apartment rent]. Basically cut out the middle man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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