Fan Railer Posted September 3, 2009 Author Share #26 Posted September 3, 2009 it is already known that the R179 is to replace the R44, whether it is 75 or 60 ft, is to be determined when the MTA finalizes the design specs. Option three is basically increasing service for future QBL CBTC on the and Canarsie line on the Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted September 3, 2009 Share #27 Posted September 3, 2009 it is already known that the R179 is to replace the R44, whether it is 75 or 60 ft, is to be determined when the MTA finalizes the design specs. Option three is basically increasing service for future QBL CBTC on the and Canarsie line on the Dude, The R179 order (if happens) will be 60 feet, I don't care what comes as long as the R44's are gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRG Posted September 3, 2009 Share #28 Posted September 3, 2009 it is already known that the R179 is to replace the R44, whether it is 75 or 60 ft, is to be determined when the MTA finalizes the design specs. Option three is basically increasing service for future QBL CBTC on the and Canarsie line on the I don't care what anyone says, the R179s are not going to be 75 feet long. I don't care if they were to be given ten doors instead of eight to compensate for door loss or even if they were painted purple! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted September 3, 2009 Share #29 Posted September 3, 2009 As somebody who has seen the design drawings for the R179, I can say that it could be 75 feet long(Yes, I have seen such a drawing). It could also be 60 feet long(Yes, I have also seen such a drawing). The final decision has not yet been made. As others have pointed out, At the moment, the intention is for them to be 60 feet long. Such a decision is not yet final. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted September 3, 2009 Share #30 Posted September 3, 2009 Lol, this is another one of those threads... IMO the R44 is in better shape than the 32s. I've read that the 32s are so bad to the point their messing up service, trains have to be taken OOS due to many cars with broken A/C, TWO C/Rs had to be sent to the hospital because of working in hot cars, one trainset could'nt leave the yard because of an smoke condition. Mind you, when a train has to be taken OOS they have to extend the headway on an route, I might have expained that wrong but oh well sue me. I'm not hearing these things happening to the R44s. The 44s are doing fine I hear they are outperforming the all R32-R42, R46 and even the R142A in MDBF. Not to mention that these cars are 37 years old and run on the longest line in the system. You gotta give the R44 its props. :cool: Also, correct me if I'm wrong but ain't the a high seniority route? I always see old T/Os and C/R working that route (No offense to anybody thats old). Anyways if the R44s on the are that bad they could pick another route with better equipment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R44 5278 Posted September 3, 2009 Share #31 Posted September 3, 2009 Come on guys, not another R179 thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
via White Plains Road Posted September 3, 2009 Share #32 Posted September 3, 2009 Show me evidence that supports your claims. I am not convinced one bit. IAWTP! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRG Posted September 3, 2009 Share #33 Posted September 3, 2009 Show me evidence that supports your claims. I am not convinced one bit. IAWTP! Same here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan Railer Posted September 3, 2009 Author Share #34 Posted September 3, 2009 As somebody who has seen the design drawings for the R179, I can say that it could be 75 feet long(Yes, I have seen such a drawing). It could also be 60 feet long(Yes, I have also seen such a drawing). The final decision has not yet been made. As others have pointed out, At the moment, the intention is for them to be 60 feet long. Such a decision is not yet final. dude, where do see this stuff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe C Posted September 3, 2009 Share #35 Posted September 3, 2009 Option three is basically increasing service for future QBL CBTC on the and Canarsie line on the Future QBL CBTC will be done by the option I & option II orders of both the R160A-2 and R160B. ENY would get the option I R160A-1 which would be CBTC ready for use on the . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted September 3, 2009 Share #36 Posted September 3, 2009 The evidence that supports his claim would be the fact that the R32s are currently being retired, while the R44s will not be for another 6 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3348 Posted September 3, 2009 Share #37 Posted September 3, 2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novabus 5000 Posted September 4, 2009 Share #38 Posted September 4, 2009 Dear god ! You can about Budget yet your going to buy over 200 more R160A/B cars when your have like more 1,500 already in service or soon to be in service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3348 Posted September 4, 2009 Share #39 Posted September 4, 2009 Dear god ! You can about Budget yet your going to buy over 200 more R160A/B cars when your have like more 1,500 already in service or soon to be in service.No one said the is buying any more R160s. Just because this third option order (from March mind you) exists doesn't mean it has to be acted upon, and as Art Vandelay said there's no need to anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E train line Posted September 4, 2009 Share #40 Posted September 4, 2009 R-44 should go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R44 5278 Posted September 4, 2009 Share #41 Posted September 4, 2009 R-44 should go What is your reason? You've already said that twice. And 33rd St, I don't think there will be any regrets as they never regretted retiring the reliable R38s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Far Rock Depot Posted September 4, 2009 Share #42 Posted September 4, 2009 I have to agree with 33rd street about the condition of the R44s. being a daily rider in rockaway, i dread riding those cars when it rains! water all inside the cars dripping from the ceilings! The r40 slants were practically held together by duct tape and were drier inside that the 44s are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRG Posted September 4, 2009 Share #43 Posted September 4, 2009 What is your reason? You've already said that twice. And 33rd St, I don't think there will be any regrets as they never regretted retiring the reliable R38s. The R38s retired because it was their time. They retired at 41.5, and so did the R40s. I can see the R44s seeing life until 2012, the latest. They'll be 41 at the time they retire, just like many of the post R32 B Division fleet is experiencing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRG Posted September 4, 2009 Share #44 Posted September 4, 2009 Where's your "Thank" button where you need it. That is one of many factors on why it would be pointless to SMS the R44's. I've heard the TA is desperate to get rid of them. Expect them to be gone by 2010, or 2011 the latest. They really would be wasting time giving them a tune-up, as mechanics would say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainfan22 Posted September 4, 2009 Share #45 Posted September 4, 2009 Show me evidence that supports your claims. I am not convinced one bit. LOL, you know where I got that from, the same thread you told R160 8818 to "Ah, shut the F*** up go foam over an R160" or something like that. Rings a bell?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted September 4, 2009 Share #46 Posted September 4, 2009 LOL, you know where I got that from, the same thread you told R160 8818 to "Ah, shut the F*** up go foam over an R160" or something like that. Rings a bell?? Oh no, let's not have that kind of flaming again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted September 4, 2009 Share #47 Posted September 4, 2009 ironically, speaking of subchat, it's been down most of the day.... again. Oh well, I've been cutting back on visiting the place anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Far Rock Depot Posted September 4, 2009 Share #48 Posted September 4, 2009 Where's your "Thank" button where you need it. That is one of many factors on why it would be pointless to SMS the R44's. I've heard the TA is desperate to get rid of them. IMO, the only 44s that should get the SMS are SIs. They are in way better condition than the TAs. Ive been told for about 4 years now from a friend whos a T/O the same about wanting them to go. And hes credible because ive known him since H.S. As far as the topic of a 3rd option order, a report from may within the TA can no longer be credible. I myself have posted 2 times on the speculation of the 179 order being changed. They cant make up their minds so we shouldnt go on something over 5 months old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R44 5278 Posted September 4, 2009 Share #49 Posted September 4, 2009 The R38s retired because it was their time. They retired at 41.5, and so did the R40s. I can see the R44s seeing life until 2012, the latest. They'll be 41 at the time they retire, just like many of the post R32 B Division fleet is experiencing. No, the R38s retired b/c they were out of parts and the roofs were horrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRG Posted September 4, 2009 Share #50 Posted September 4, 2009 IMO, the only 44s that should get the SMS are SIs. They are in way better condition than the TAs. Ive been told for about 4 years now from a friend whos a T/O the same about wanting them to go. And hes credible because ive known him since H.S. As far as the topic of a 3rd option order, a report from may within the TA can no longer be credible. I myself have posted 2 times on the speculation of the 179 order being changed. They cant make up their minds so we shouldnt go on something over 5 months old. Staten Island's R44s are still undergoing SMS and those cars can last! But our R44s are doing terrible and they are not gonna see the new decade for long, trust me. No, the R38s retired b/c they were out of parts and the roofs were horrible. Even so, it was time for them to go anyway. Even if they were out of parts won't be a factor of why a car gets retired...they can always order more if they wanted to. But they didn't because the car is past 40, it probably failed some tests to see if they could last longer and they decided it was their time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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