Rutgers Tube Posted September 10, 2009 Share #1 Posted September 10, 2009 I've been wondering this for a while now: what lines and shifts do the senior T/O's and C/R's generally pick, and what runs are usually left to the newbs? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urbanfortitude Posted September 10, 2009 Share #2 Posted September 10, 2009 I've been wondering this for a while now: what lines and shifts do the senior T/O's and C/R's generally pick, and what runs are usually left to the newbs? Thanks! I'm not a worker for the MTA yet. But I have a pretty good idea about this... (S)huttle (Rockaway Pk, Franklin Avenue), shuttle...for high seniority thats my initial guesses so uhm any of you who do work as a T/O - C/R jump in at anytime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted September 10, 2009 Share #3 Posted September 10, 2009 The is generally high seniority Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRG Posted September 10, 2009 Share #4 Posted September 10, 2009 The and the are as well, I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LexAveExp5 Posted September 10, 2009 Share #5 Posted September 10, 2009 the is the longest line in the system. are you sure about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRG Posted September 10, 2009 Share #6 Posted September 10, 2009 the is the longest line in the system. are you sure about that? There's a reason why the and the don't have the newest fleet yet, and seniority's the reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urbanfortitude Posted September 10, 2009 Share #7 Posted September 10, 2009 There's a reason why the and the don't have the newest fleet yet, and seniority's the reason. well it is the longest line in the system. But I thought the which is considerably long was high seniority yet I see mostly new T/Os on it. so I'm skeptical that the is high seniority...I've also seen new T/Os on the . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LexAveExp5 Posted September 10, 2009 Share #8 Posted September 10, 2009 yeah, i thought T/Os like to pick short lines for the breaks. and on that previously noted side note, i thought the reason the and didnt get the new fleet was because the thugs in the neighborhoods they serve were not treating the new cars with respect when they ran on the back in 2006 or 2007 (cant remember exactly which year it was). but thats what a friend of mine told me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Julio Posted September 10, 2009 Share #9 Posted September 10, 2009 They pick based on the $$$, I know I would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted September 10, 2009 Share #10 Posted September 10, 2009 the and get old cars because of easy access to 207th St Yd which is where the cars are stripped and reefed. Otherwise it's a lot of T/O's making that OT moving those things up there when the end comes calling. Even though they didn't reef cars back then, look at where the R10's ran in the 80's...thats right you guessed it Line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trainmaster5 Posted September 10, 2009 Share #11 Posted September 10, 2009 They pick based on the $$$, I know I would. Most senior people I know pick for money and/or convenience. For example, if you live at Lefferts or New Lots, a senior person is generally not going to pick a job at Bedford Park or Van Cortlandt no matter how much it pays while a new jack may have no choice. Also I've never heard an IRT person pick a job based on the equipment a line runs. Senior people don't normally think that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pelham Bay Dave Posted September 10, 2009 Share #12 Posted September 10, 2009 Ok time for me to Jump in the is High Senority ALL tours while the is low senority especially on PM's. It use to be high because on the old timers never left there job they picked it over and over again because its been the same work program for Years even as far back as 2003 but as they retire no one really picks it for whatever reason. Most people I know pick for Location, Money, Hours and what day off they get in the district. The most wanted Tour is AM's while least favorite is PM's. This pick was special for me because I loved the R32's from school car and knowing it was going to be the last pick it play a big role with me picking the Line. Next pick I don't know what I am doing I am the type that likes to jump around which doesn't go good for people behind you in senority because they never know if they are safe when they pick. Most people are predictable pick the Same location but thats not me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Julio Posted September 10, 2009 Share #13 Posted September 10, 2009 Should go back on the Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pelham Bay Dave Posted September 10, 2009 Share #14 Posted September 10, 2009 The is boring exept when rerouted over the Manhattan Bridge.LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Julio Posted September 10, 2009 Share #15 Posted September 10, 2009 The is boring exept when rerouted over the Manhattan Bridge.LOL! or that section in Brooklyn where you can open your cab window and get some fresh air B) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdi919 Posted September 10, 2009 Share #16 Posted September 10, 2009 the overall is high senority. the on the am's is high senority. all newjacks end up on the(1)(7)on the pm tour. most of the time if you are low on the pole the (7)pick you because you get stuck with whats left. also there is high senority people in flagging. most people in the top 100 have over 20 years.when on the road i tend to stay on the midnight tour because i can pick money jobs on the lines i want to work without 2 much worry that senior guys will pick me out because they want am's with s/s off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q33toLaGuardia Posted September 10, 2009 Share #17 Posted September 10, 2009 They pick based on the $$$, I know I would. Wait!!! If you work on a certain line you make extra money??? :eek: How's that possible? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Julio Posted September 10, 2009 Share #18 Posted September 10, 2009 Wait!!! If you work on a certain line you make extra money??? :eek: How's that possible? lol Certain jobs have certain amount of trips that pay certain "hours" which can vary from line to line. (any MTA employee feel free to correct me.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INDman Posted September 10, 2009 Share #19 Posted September 10, 2009 Certain jobs have certain amount of trips that pay certain "hours" which can vary from line to line. (any MTA employee feel free to correct me.) Yep, a C/R friend of mine has a job that is almost 9 hours, but since that extra hour is built in he get paid regular even though he works over 40 hours a week. In addition he has Fri/Sat of too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted September 10, 2009 Share #20 Posted September 10, 2009 Certain jobs have certain amount of trips that pay certain "hours" which can vary from line to line. (any MTA employee feel free to correct me.) The work program contains a certain number of trips and a certain amount of layover and meal time. The "money" jobs are longer and therefore have built in OT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pelham Bay Dave Posted September 10, 2009 Share #21 Posted September 10, 2009 Some lines got more assignments with built in OT then others. Some off the reasons are long Work As Assigned periods were your on standbye or got added work or traval time if you start and finish at diffrent Locations. Example the PM's C/R are mostly 8 Hours only while T/O's get an extra 9 to 30 Minutes since they lay up and finish the assignment at Jamaica YD while C/R works the Platform at Continental until clearing time. AM'S on the is alittle diffrent both T/O and C/R got 9 Hour jobs because some got lots of lay over time between trips however C/R has to be available to assist the Platform Personal and T/O's on call for lay ups and Relays. The has Jobs you start at 179 St then get a train to prepare for service around Parsons. Then do 1 1/2 trips and clear at Stillwell in the 8 Hours but you still have to get traval time to 179. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex L. Posted September 11, 2009 Share #22 Posted September 11, 2009 Also I've never heard an IRT person pick a job based on the equipment a line runs. I did. Never liked the redbirds, so whenever possible, I worked the and . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LexAveExp5 Posted September 11, 2009 Share #23 Posted September 11, 2009 can someone define "travel time"? and explain why you have to get paid for it. thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zman Posted September 11, 2009 Share #24 Posted September 11, 2009 In the IRT, the most senior line is the . When you can pick over there, you know that you've made it. The junior lines are the and the , especially the Flushing Line when it comes time for junior people to pick relief jobs. The used to be a junior line, but quickly rose in seniority when they opened the stub terminal, which results in a drop back for the crew, and added a whole bunch of money jobs. Now the is in the middle of the list. What is weird about the B Division is that it isn't the line that is senior/junior, but the location. For example, the and the are senior out of Brooklyn & Queens, but not so out of 168/207. Same with the . 179 is senior, Stillwell is junior. Opposite on the where 95th Street takes beaucoup seniority while an out of Continental is a dime a dozen. Line wise, I would say that the most senior line is the simply because Metropolitan Ave is such an isolated location and the jobs which start out of Coney Island Yard often only make one round-trip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Julio Posted September 11, 2009 Share #25 Posted September 11, 2009 In the IRT, the most senior line is the . When you can pick over there, you know that you've made it. The junior lines are the and the , especially the Flushing Line when it comes time for junior people to pick relief jobs. The used to be a junior line, but quickly rose in seniority when they opened the stub terminal, which results in a drop back for the crew, and added a whole bunch of money jobs. Now the is in the middle of the list. What is weird about the B Division is that it isn't the line that is senior/junior, but the location. For example, the and the are senior out of Brooklyn & Queens, but not so out of 168/207. Same with the . 179 is senior, Stillwell is junior. Opposite on the where 95th Street takes beaucoup seniority while an out of Continental is a dime a dozen. Line wise, I would say that the most senior line is the simply because Metropolitan Ave is such an isolated location and the jobs which start out of Coney Island Yard often only make one round-trip. I imagine once CBTC is implemented on the and ATO is working, the seniority levels will go up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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