rr4567 Posted September 20, 2009 Share #101 Posted September 20, 2009 Right and you're saying those T/O's only work those lines? Oh excuse me all to hell. The second they operate "Any" other equipment than an NTT their operation is perfect. Sure, blame a whole bunch of operators you know nothing about based on "railfan perception". That's real smart. That just proves you don't know what you're talking about. What he has said is wrong and I have corrected it repeatedly, even going so far as to detail the entire system of SMEE vs NTT braking, and how they work in response to his question about dynamic and regenerative braking. The brakes work FINE on those cars, so now he blames the operators? Makes no sense. Hah! funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted September 20, 2009 Share #102 Posted September 20, 2009 Look I'm not trying to make anyone look bad or "win" here I couldn't care less about "earning points" or anything like that...I'm just trying to correct wrong information so posting "Burn" like that takes away from the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rr4567 Posted September 20, 2009 Share #103 Posted September 20, 2009 Well apparently he has studied the car data sheets to the point of complete memorization on nycsubway.org. Excuse me all to hell. Are you saying..... that all the red lights are on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted September 20, 2009 Share #104 Posted September 20, 2009 Are you saying..... that all the red lights are on? See my previous post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rr4567 Posted September 20, 2009 Share #105 Posted September 20, 2009 See my previous post. it was a joke. I wasn't serious. and what "burn"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted September 20, 2009 Share #106 Posted September 20, 2009 it was a joke. I wasn't serious. and what "burn"? obviously you edited the post to take that picture out... I'm just saying that posting things like that takes away from the thread...I don't know you, you don't know me my intentions was to correct wrong information not make anyone look bad and posting those pictures makes it look like that. That's all... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rr4567 Posted September 20, 2009 Share #107 Posted September 20, 2009 obviously you edited the post to take that picture out... Yeah, I did that, because that didn't need such an image I'm just saying that posting things like that takes away from the thread.. Yeah, I know that, but what I posted wasn't meant to be a mean post, just to make people laugh .I don't know you, you don't know me my intentions was to correct wrong information not make anyone look bad and posting those pictures makes it look like that. Yeah, I know, that's why I took the image down. Anyways back on topic Yeah the R160 has it's flaws, but what doesn't have flaws? For example, anyone remember the first-gen PS2's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banstaman Posted September 20, 2009 Share #108 Posted September 20, 2009 SMH. Honestly I believe the "ghetto" train lines do not deserve new equipment until the people learn how to get their act together, lines such as the R and F. It seems/sounds wrong, but it's their own fault, there is no way that I (or anybody for that matter) should open up my pockets and pay taxes for new equipment for people who don't pay taxes, and destroy property which doesn't belong to them. :mad: :tdown::tdown::tdown: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rr4567 Posted September 20, 2009 Share #109 Posted September 20, 2009 SMH. Honestly I believe the "ghetto" train lines do not deserve new equipment until the people learn how to get their act together, lines such as the R and F. It seems/sounds wrong, but it's their own fault, there is no way that I (or anybody for that matter) should open up my pockets and pay taxes for new equipment for people who don't pay taxes, and destroy property which doesn't belong to them. :mad: :tdown::tdown::tdown: Tell the to do something..... like cameras in every car so they can catch them all, like that lady, the graffiti artist and the cellphone camera Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqueduct Posted September 20, 2009 Share #110 Posted September 20, 2009 Tell the to do something..... like cameras in every car so they can catch them all, like that lady, the graffiti artist and the cellphone camera If you ask the MTA to do something, you need to fill out triplicate forms and send it to them a self addressed envelope so the secretary can read the forms instead of the six figure execs whose job relevance is still unkown to many. The lines that go through the dregs of the four boroughs the subways run in should not get new equipment....ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3348 Posted September 20, 2009 Share #111 Posted September 20, 2009 Something should replace you instead, something of more higher knowledge/intelligence and less foam over a single car..... Being on topic, from what I understood, ENY was filled with too many cars to begin with. They do maintain their cars but they sure do get a beating, as does Jamaica's cars. The next batch of R160s is supposed to knock off the R42s from ENY, with a few extra R160s coming into ENY, which will kill the capacity of the yard and be like Jamaica Yard. pwnt There's only 32 R160s replacing 50 R42s. They're supposed to be lessening the amount of spare cars at ENY, so there should actually be more space instead. are they rusting,or is it steel dust? its confusing,lol Steel dust. Stainless steel can't rust. The R32-R42 do not have rust on their carbody exterior; someone correct me if I'm wrong but I think the R38/R40/R42 roofs are made of carbon steel. Even if it could, it would not start rusting after 1-3 years in service. SMH. Honestly I believe the "ghetto" train lines do not deserve new equipment until the people learn how to get their act together, lines such as the R and F. It seems/sounds wrong, but it's their own fault, there is no way that I (or anybody for that matter) should open up my pockets and pay taxes for new equipment for people who don't pay taxes, and destroy property which doesn't belong to them. :mad: :tdown::tdown::tdown: The problem with this is that every line passes through ghetto areas. Every single one of them. The pass through East NY. The goes to Jamaica. The serve areas like Crown Heights and Flatbush. You can't single out certain lines, and that's discrimination right there too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
error46146 Posted September 20, 2009 Share #112 Posted September 20, 2009 Something should replace you instead, something of more higher knowledge/intelligence and less foam over a single car..... Being on topic, from what I understood, ENY was filled with too many cars to begin with. They do maintain their cars but they sure do get a beating, as does Jamaica's cars. The next batch of R160s is supposed to knock off the R42s from ENY, with a few extra R160s coming into ENY, which will kill the capacity of the yard and be like Jamaica Yard. Oh excuse me im sorry sir did I hurt your feelings ?? If anyone's foaming you're the one foaming over your Beloved R160's so don't complain And before you go around callin me stupid at least im actually goin for my High School Diploma and not a GED.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted September 20, 2009 Share #113 Posted September 20, 2009 ]Oh excuse me im sorry sir did I hurt your feelings ?? If anyone's foaming you're the one foaming over your Beloved R160's so don't complain [/b] And before you go around callin me stupid at least im actually goin for my High School Diploma and not a GED.. Oops' date=' looks like I hit a nerve! Oh naaaaah, you didnt hurt my feelings, the subway is boring as hell now so the R160s is nothing to "foam" about. And speaking of which, I recall you foaming over every broken or messed up R160 FIND & LED and you would film them for what reason? You dont know how the R160 FIND & LEDs messes up which makes your assumptions about the cars [b']very faulty [/b] If things were to happen with those R32s, you'd probably be crying a river. And way to play the personal card. For those who know why im getting a GED which a select few members in the forum knows about, they knew what I went through during school times and the conflicts that occurred. As for you, you square headed punk, keep ya mouth shut about things you dont know. And your reading comprehension sucks cause I didnt exactly call you "stupid". There's only 32 R160s replacing 50 R42s. They're supposed to be lessening the amount of spare cars at ENY, so there should actually be more space instead Ah thanks for the info, I thought it was more. During the inital R160A-1 order, the yard was overcrowded with cars, including several R143s that were there which were forced to either go to Fresh Pond Yard or Canarsie until the R42s got cleared onto the A and C lines. Later on being swapped over to Jamaica. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R44 5278 Posted September 20, 2009 Share #114 Posted September 20, 2009 SubwayGuy, all I was trying to say was that the operator controls the movement of a train and that he can choose to apply the friction brakes whenever the train decreases to 10-15 mph. From my experience, the motormen of QB seem to apply the friction brakes when the dynamic brakes are still slowing the train. On the other hand, the motormen on the Jamaica EL seem to apply the friction brakes when the train drops under 5 mph with the dynamic brakes. I am well aware that if the train screeches, then in means that the motors are broken and therefore have no dynamic. But the sound produced by the R160s sounds as if the brake pad is excessive wearing out the shoes of the friction brakes. You can clearly see the difference between the braking of this train : And this train (1st E Train): Seriously, the latter operator applied the friction brakes too early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
error46146 Posted September 20, 2009 Share #115 Posted September 20, 2009 I dont give two f**ks how that garbage messes up, my tax $$$ and fare $$$ is going towards it so i expect it to be 100% perfect and flawless. if the MTA chairman is paying for it out of his own pocket fine but thats not the case And what you know everything about me ?? I like to film the broken FIND's to reminds me of what total POS's they are And guess what you need to keep your big mouth shut if you have nothing nice to say. I will continue to ***** and whine and complain about the R160 until all the problems are fixed, and if you dont have anything nice to tell me please do us all a favor and keep it to yourself. Let me rephrase the word if you didnt like it "Before you go around and deride my intelligence" there happy now ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted September 20, 2009 Share #116 Posted September 20, 2009 Think its about time for this guy...just my 2 cents. The bullshit in this thread is beyond repair. No point in giving this thread a GOH, just reef it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rr4567 Posted September 20, 2009 Share #117 Posted September 20, 2009 Think its about time for this guy...just my 2 cents. The bullshit in this thread is beyond repair. No point in giving this thread a GOH, just reef it. I second that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted September 20, 2009 Share #118 Posted September 20, 2009 R44 5278...the operator does not "choose" whether or not to apply the friction and dynamic breaks. The two systems work together and are controlled AS ONE from the master controller. He does NOT have a separate control for one or the other so he can't "choose" to apply the friction brakes "too early" as you say. That loud noise at the end of the second car's braking effort just means it's time for an inspection of the brake shoes on that particular car, has nothing to do with the operator's "skill" or anything wrong with the car's design. Contrary to popular railfan belief, squeaky breaks do not equal an unsafe condition or poor design. All it means is extra noise. That said, I motion for a moderator to close this thread because the BS above between error and Cait Sith has nothing to do with trains, and I don't care to read about people's personal dirty laundry disputes anymore. I'm sure most here would agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
error46146 Posted September 20, 2009 Share #119 Posted September 20, 2009 hey dont blame me, he started it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted September 20, 2009 Share #120 Posted September 20, 2009 I dont give two f**ks how that garbage messes up, my tax $$$ and fare $$$ is going towards it so i expect it to be 100% perfect and flawless. if the MTA chairman is paying for it out of his own pocket fine but thats not the case And what you know everything about me ?? I like to film the broken FIND's to reminds me of what total POS's they are And guess what you need to keep your big mouth shut if you have nothing nice to say. I will continue to ***** and whine and complain about the R160 until all the problems are fixed, and if you dont have anything nice to tell me please do us all a favor and keep it to yourself. Let me rephrase the word if you didnt like it "Before you go around and deride my intelligence" there happy now ? Want to take this problem outside the forums? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted September 20, 2009 Share #121 Posted September 20, 2009 I don't care WHO started it. I'm motioning to end it once a moderator closes the thread. I couldn't care less about who said what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave160 Posted September 20, 2009 Share #122 Posted September 20, 2009 I dont give two f**ks how that garbage messes up, my tax $$$ and fare $$$ is going towards it so i expect it to be 100% perfect and flawless. if the MTA chairman is paying for it out of his own pocket fine but thats not the case And what you know everything about me ?? I like to film the broken FIND's to reminds me of what total POS's they are And guess what you need to keep your big mouth shut if you have nothing nice to say. I will continue to ***** and whine and complain about the R160 until all the problems are fixed, and if you dont have anything nice to tell me please do us all a favor and keep it to yourself. Let me rephrase the word if you didnt like it "Before you go around and deride my intelligence" there happy now ? Nothing is 100% perfect and flawless. There always gonna be something wrong with everything, someway somehow, thats just how it works. I think every subway car had some flaw in it, 32's 160's r1's w/e ect...... And yea what Drew said this threads goin down the tubes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted September 20, 2009 Share #123 Posted September 20, 2009 Nothing is 100% perfect and flawless. There always gonna be something wrong with everything, someway somehow. +1. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted September 20, 2009 Share #124 Posted September 20, 2009 SubwayGuy, all I was trying to say was that the operator controls the movement of a train and that he can choose to apply the friction brakes whenever the train decreases to 10-15 mph. From my experience, the motormen of QB seem to apply the friction brakes when the dynamic brakes are still slowing the train. On the other hand, the motormen on the Jamaica EL seem to apply the friction brakes when the train drops under 5 mph with the dynamic brakes. I am well aware that if the train screeches, then in means that the motors are broken and therefore have no dynamic. But the sound produced by the R160s sounds as if the brake pad is excessive wearing out the shoes of the friction brakes. You can clearly see the difference between the braking of this train : And this train (1st E Train): Seriously, the latter operator applied the friction brakes too early. Speaking of which, here's another one with not really rough brakes, but squealing ones. Does it occur when T/Os put too much pressure on the brakes when the train is going really fast then suddenly going to a stop? Cause I know there were some rides on the R160s where the brakes were really rough and had a bit of a rough stop. Also, a rough stop seen in this one as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infamous85 Posted September 20, 2009 Share #125 Posted September 20, 2009 I still can't believe R160s are on the train. And whatever happened to the R110s? I saw a picture of them on here but they never get mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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