R32 vs. PATH PA1

[R44 5278]

I do believe they are, with more better specifications and a much smoother ride than the R160s, their propulsion packages is waaaaay better than that Alstom Onix crapola. I'll take the PA-5s over the R160s any day of the week

 

I agree with the comfort, but the acceleration is definitely louder than that of the Siemens R160Bs. It was cool at first, but annoying afterwards. I prefer the Alstom Acceleration any day as you can barely hear it from the inside.

[BSmith]

I agree with the comfort, but the acceleration is definitely louder than that of the Siemens R160Bs. It was cool at first, but annoying afterwards. I prefer the Alstom Acceleration any day as you can barely hear it from the inside.

 

I haven't ridden in a PA5 yet. It has louder acceleration than the R160 Siemans? I agree, the Alstom propulsion R160 is the quieter train, and I like its musical acceleration. The strange thing is, the PA1-4, you don't hear them accelerate. They move out without virtually any sound from their traction motors. Why 45 years later do trains accelerate making these sounds (probably a good functional reason for it)?

[Forest Glen]

PA1 > R32

[R44 5278]

PA1 > R32

 

Oh yeah, but due to FRA stuff they aren't comparable.

[mark1447]

Yes. That's why I say the MTA, just in terms of car design, not necessarily truck suspension/ride smoothness that as you state won't compare due to PATH having FRA standards, lagged behind PATH at the time. Today, a PA5 doesn't look dramatically different in shape from a PA1 as opposed to a K car vs. a PA1. To me, the R32/R36/R38 resembles more the K than the PA1 in overall shape if not details.

 

The R44 debuted in 1972, a good 7 years after the PA1. For me, since the PA1, PATH trains aren't radically different in design, more evolutionary changes. To some degree, neither is the R160 that much of a change from the R44 overall (despite 75 vs. 60 ft.). Interior, more digital stuff, different color schemes, but nothing that radical.

 

1965: PA1: http://world.nycsubway.org/perl/show?24777 (great view of wheels in this pic)

2008: PA5: http://world.nycsubway.org/perl/show?100289

1958: K: http://world.nycsubway.org/perl/show?24760

 

Thanks! They look a bit like R44/46..

 

They look Much modern during the beginning stage compared to (NYCT). cant believe it took the T/A a few more yrs to change all that!

[BroadwayBuffer]

I haven't ridden in a PA5 yet. It has louder acceleration than the R160 Siemans? I agree, the Alstom propulsion R160 is the quieter train, and I like its musical acceleration. The strange thing is, the PA1-4, you don't hear them accelerate. They move out without virtually any sound from their traction motors. Why 45 years later do trains accelerate making these sounds (probably a good functional reason for it)?

 

That's alternating current (AC) vs. direct current (DC). The varying frequency of the phase in AC current going to the motors are each note that you hear. These new cars will make the same sounds 45 years from now. This may be a little simplistic, so feel free to add.

[EE Broadway Local]

I literally grew up with both the R32 Brightliners and PA-1 cars. The R32 Brightliners debuted on September 9, 1964 and the PA-1 cars debuted on April 8, 1965 (six new PA-1s of 162 total).

 

The PA-1s succeeded the "Black Cars" which were a staple of the Journal Square-33d Street line. As a little one, I remember seeing Black Cars, now painted a bright yellow and in work service around Journal Square.

 

Link: PATH PA Car marked Special http://www.hudsoncity.net/tubesenglish/papathcar.jpg

 

Original numbering for the PA-1s was 100-151 and 600-709.

[GojiMet86]

The link isn't working.

[EE Broadway Local]