SubwayGuy Posted October 16, 2009 Share #26 Posted October 16, 2009 I wasn't saying they're *THAT* bad. These days NOTHING is like it was in the 70s and 80s. I'm just saying most A Div T/O's prefer R62A to R62 because of the "feel" of the brakes. So nothing needs to rebuilt, it's just operator preferences why I posted that. I know drama kids these days just want something to go on about but it's all operable and pretty reliable, sorry to disappoint... Nothing like the *ahem* R-46 back then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Julio Posted October 16, 2009 Share #27 Posted October 16, 2009 Feel of the brake really makes a difference in operating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted October 16, 2009 Share #28 Posted October 16, 2009 Feel of the brake really makes a difference in operating. yeah but the GOOD operators can adjust heh heh... :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Julio Posted October 16, 2009 Share #29 Posted October 16, 2009 yeah but the GOOD operators can adjust heh heh... :cool: Well excuse me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Louis Car 09 Posted October 16, 2009 Author Share #30 Posted October 16, 2009 Well excuse me Lol brake fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2Julio Posted October 16, 2009 Share #31 Posted October 16, 2009 Lol brake fight. No need for a fight. SubwayGuy is a better operator than me. Got to give him props. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeystoneRegional Posted October 17, 2009 Share #32 Posted October 17, 2009 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Louis Car 09 Posted October 17, 2009 Author Share #33 Posted October 17, 2009 Well, the R-44/46 still feel like Commuter Rail cars anyway. Since it is inches to be a look-alike to the LIRR M-1/3 type cars.The R44/46 were designed by the same company who designed the M1-3 cars.S it makes sense that they look alike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R44 5278 Posted October 18, 2009 Share #34 Posted October 18, 2009 The R44/46 were designed by the same company who designed the M1-3 cars.S it makes sense that they look alike. Every transit system likes uniformity! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Louis Car 09 Posted October 19, 2009 Author Share #35 Posted October 19, 2009 My Question is that.Can a similar situation like the rockwell problem happen with our current fleet or future rolling stock? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R44 5278 Posted October 19, 2009 Share #36 Posted October 19, 2009 My Question is that.Can a similar situation like the rockwell problem happen with our current fleet or future rolling stock? It really depends... There were minor problems with the M7s' flat wheels and the Acelas' brakes in the past few years, but that's really it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeystoneRegional Posted October 19, 2009 Share #37 Posted October 19, 2009 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted October 19, 2009 Share #38 Posted October 19, 2009 No need for a fight. SubwayGuy is a better operator than me. Got to give him props. Heh...thanks for the props. Don't sweat, you just need more experience with different kinds of equipment. Keep on coming up to CT and you will get it. There's things I have yet to learn also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Louis Car 09 Posted October 21, 2009 Author Share #39 Posted October 21, 2009 Does anyone have a pic of the R46 original builder plate before it received its M-K rebuilder plates? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3348 Posted October 21, 2009 Share #40 Posted October 21, 2009 The R46s are doing fine, but it's just that the crew aren't used to the R46s' braking having operated the R44s for a longer time. Considering that the R46s have been at Pitkin since April-May I highly doubt it takes half a year for the T/Os to get used to the braking. This is the first time I heard about this actually. I've always known the R46s to have no technical problems in spite of Jamaica's poor care and the most I expect are broken doorbells. You see technical problems on the R46s occasionally, but I think someone on Subchat who was the yard dispatcher at Pitkin said that the R44s actually have a higher MDBF than the R46s. The only reason people bash the R44 for being so horrible is that they just bandwagon on other people who have a hatred for those cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted October 22, 2009 Share #41 Posted October 22, 2009 Considering that the R46s have been at Pitkin since April-May I highly doubt it takes half a year for the T/Os to get used to the braking. I dunno I've already tried explaining this sort of thing to him in other threads but it's fallen on deaf ears so I've given up...live and let live... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R44 5278 Posted October 22, 2009 Share #42 Posted October 22, 2009 I dunno I've already tried explaining this sort of thing to him in other threads but it's fallen on deaf ears so I've given up...live and let live... Dude people can get used to brakes, but preference is a whole different story. And what I meant was preference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Louis Car 09 Posted October 22, 2009 Author Share #43 Posted October 22, 2009 Speaking of brakes.Why During braking on the R44,why is it so noisy and rough compared to the R46? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R44 5278 Posted October 23, 2009 Share #44 Posted October 23, 2009 Speaking of brakes.Why During braking on the R44,why is it so noisy and rough compared to the R46? The R44s and R46s have different braking systems; R44s use Westcode (both rheostatic and friction) with WABCO tread brake unit, while R46s use NYAB SMEE-like system with a NYAB tread brake unit. Note that both trains had their original P-Wire brakes reconfigured during the GOH into SMEE-like braking systems. Also how are the R44s' brakings rough when they never produce any squeak? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Louis Car 09 Posted October 23, 2009 Author Share #45 Posted October 23, 2009 The R44s and R46s have different braking systems; R44s use Westcode (both rheostatic and friction) with WABCO tread brake unit, while R46s use NYAB SMEE-like system with a NYAB tread brake unit. Note that both trains had their original P-Wire brakes reconfigured during the GOH into SMEE-like braking systems. Also how are the R44s' brakings rough when they never produce any squeak? No I know they dont squeak,but they do vibrate and rumble alot compared to the R46 and has a jet engine like noise from the motors during braking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted October 23, 2009 Share #46 Posted October 23, 2009 The R44s and R46s have different braking systems; R44s use Westcode (both rheostatic and friction) with WABCO tread brake unit, while R46s use NYAB SMEE-like system with a NYAB tread brake unit. Note that both trains had their original P-Wire brakes reconfigured during the GOH into SMEE-like braking systems. Just to clarify on this for everyone since that sounds like it was quoted from somewhere and uses things you may or may not be familiar with, a couple things: Rheostatic = dynamic brake it's just another name for it but 95% of the time it's called "dynamic brake" or "dynamics" For some basic info on the old P wire system (my long post on page 2 of that thread should explain most of what's unclear in the linked post): http://www.nyctransitforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=159230&postcount=47 Also, a Tread Brake Unit (TBU) just means the physical brake shoes are located at the center of the truck between the two wheels. This is compared to a Clasp Brake which has shoes on both sides of the wheel that "clasp" around each. Here are some pics to illustrate: Clasp Style: Notice the shoe and rigging (circled in red) at both ends of the truck. There is also a shoe on each wheel in the yellow area. From the side, The truck looks like this: ( O ) ( O ) The symbols above: ( and ) = shoes and O = wheel Tread Brake Notice there is no shoe at the red circle. There are still shoes on each wheel in the yellow area. From the side, the truck looks like this - same symbols as above: O ) ( O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R44 5278 Posted October 23, 2009 Share #47 Posted October 23, 2009 Good stuff to indicate! When I stated rheostatic, I meant dynamic braking without a regenerative component as I was trying to reduce the confusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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