r40s 4501 Posted October 16, 2009 Share #1 Posted October 16, 2009 241st Street,bronx-Flatbush Avenue,Brooklyn all time (3)Some go to 149th Street – Grand Concourse or 180 st via express stop (5)Dyre Avenue in Eastchester, the Bronx and Flatbush Avenue in Midwood, Brooklyn, operating local in the Bronx and express in Manhattan and Brooklyn. During rush hours in the peak direction, 5 trains operate express in the Bronx and also operates between Nereid Avenue in the Bronx and Flatbush Avenue. Evening and weekend service terminates at Bowling Green in Manhattan instead of Brooklyn. Late night service operates only in the Bronx between Dyre Avenue and East 180th Street, with and trains replacing the 5 in the rest of the Bronx, and in Manhattan and Brooklyn. <5>241st Street or East 180th Street to Atlantic Avenue. During rush hours, they were extended to Utica Avenue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted October 16, 2009 Share #2 Posted October 16, 2009 oh thats just nice of you. No Harlem bound ! -_-bZ Everything is perfect the way it is now. This would be confusing passangers and leading T/A to spend more.. already does all times.. Leave the alone.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinamarie Posted October 16, 2009 Share #3 Posted October 16, 2009 I agree. Leave my train alone. I need it for college. LOL it's fine as is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted October 16, 2009 Share #4 Posted October 16, 2009 To the OP: How are you going to terminate trains at Atlantic Av? 4 trains needs to get past that station to Utica. And leave the 5 as is. I love it how the 5 now goes to Flatbush Av all day now. Sure beats waiting for only the 2 now. The 5 and the are not really different lines other than different northern terminals. Both of them go to the same southern terminals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trainmaster5 Posted October 16, 2009 Share #5 Posted October 16, 2009 241st Street,bronx-Flatbush Avenue,Brooklyn all time(3)Some go to 149th Street – Grand Concourse or 180 st via express stop (5)Dyre Avenue in Eastchester, the Bronx and Flatbush Avenue in Midwood, Brooklyn, operating local in the Bronx and express in Manhattan and Brooklyn. During rush hours in the peak direction, 5 trains operate express in the Bronx and also operates between Nereid Avenue in the Bronx and Flatbush Avenue. Evening and weekend service terminates at Bowling Green in Manhattan instead of Brooklyn. Late night service operates only in the Bronx between Dyre Avenue and East 180th Street, with and trains replacing the 5 in the rest of the Bronx, and in Manhattan and Brooklyn. <5>241st Street or East 180th Street to Atlantic Avenue. During rush hours, they were extended to Utica Avenue. 241St-Flatbush it already does that to Concourse or E 180th St For what purpose ? it already does that We did that 20+ years ago and moved on to better things. I'd really like to know the point you're trying make 'cause I must have missed something. Is this a test? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted October 16, 2009 Share #6 Posted October 16, 2009 241St-Flatbush it already does that to Concourse or E 180th St For what purpose ? it already does that We did that 20+ years ago and moved on to better things. I'd really like to know the point you're trying make 'cause I must have missed something. Is this a test? i do have to agree with you about leaving things alone! Tho I wonder what is the progress on the WPR line seeing its still running local.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted October 16, 2009 Share #7 Posted October 16, 2009 The only thing I would change is maybe having the 5 in the Bronx the local and the 2 the express to avoid the 'delay' at 180th for when the 5 has to go to Dyre Av. Otherwise the current set up is fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted October 16, 2009 Share #8 Posted October 16, 2009 The only thing I would change is maybe having the 5 in the Bronx the local and the 2 the express to avoid the 'delay' at 180th for when the 5 has to go to Dyre Av. Otherwise the current set up is fine. The reason that's done is because ridership patterns show a majority of the express traffic wanting the east side. As for the "delay" i could be wrong on this, but I believe this is part of the work they are doing up there (by the flyover north of E180), to smooth out operations up there, but I'm not 100% sure. I was up there recently but it was dark so I couldn't really make out any progress from the last time just seeing that there was still work zones set up but no workers there when we rolled through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted October 16, 2009 Share #9 Posted October 16, 2009 oic, damn that sucks. They are kind of screwing over the 2 line overall by keeping the 5 express and the 2 making all those stops, imo. That's not the delay that I mean, I mean that the 5 has to run from the express track over to the local in order to get to the Dyre branch. Same way the 5 has to when going to Flatbush Av. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted October 16, 2009 Share #10 Posted October 16, 2009 The reason that's done is because ridership patterns show a majority of the express traffic wanting the east side. As for the "delay" i could be wrong on this, but I believe this is part of the work they are doing up there (by the flyover north of E180), to smooth out operations up there, but I'm not 100% sure. I was up there recently but it was dark so I couldn't really make out any progress from the last time just seeing that there was still work zones set up but no workers there when we rolled through. a t/o on this forum said they are building a track from Union Port Yd to E180th Yd so the trains that need yard access transfer won't need to go thru e180th station. And to upgrade signal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted October 16, 2009 Share #11 Posted October 16, 2009 Aww no more 3 headed monster? Darn... Wonder if that was what is meant by upgrade the signal, interesting though when I was up there it was an LED signal for high visibility which means they've made improvements to the signal obviously but not yet changed the aspects it will display. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRG Posted October 16, 2009 Share #12 Posted October 16, 2009 The only thing I'd advocate for is the to Brooklyn during the day. Service to Flatbush on the weekends is not so great; I've seen back-to-back-to-back trains on weekends to the point that it wasn't even funny. One time, they had to send a train to Brooklyn for some reason I don't even know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted October 16, 2009 Share #13 Posted October 16, 2009 The only thing I'd advocate for is the to Brooklyn during the day. Service to Flatbush on the weekends is not so great; I've seen back-to-back-to-back trains on weekends to the point that it wasn't even funny. One time, they had to send a train to Brooklyn for some reason I don't even know. They tried that within the last year as a pilot program, but the results of the test were the ridership didn't justify it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted October 16, 2009 Share #14 Posted October 16, 2009 241st Street,bronx-Flatbush Avenue,Brooklyn all time(3)Some go to 149th Street Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted October 16, 2009 Share #15 Posted October 16, 2009 Hmmmmmm lets see 1. Can't send the up there for a few reasons... A. E. 180 St is used heavily by the & trains. B. Delays would be even higher cuz it can barely handle those 2 lines now. 2. Rush hour already does that pattern. Actually in the exact way you just said it. 3. I don't think Atlantic Av can be used as a terminal anymore cuz the lay-up is before the station. Going by your plan, it would literaly have to do this... Atlantic Av-bound pulls into the station. It stays there to dump the passengers and so crews can clean the train and what not. Meanwhile, A Utica Av-bound is held back at Nevins St waiting for that go clear the platform. So after that is cleared, it reverses on the track just to get into that lay-up, making even more delays. Now going back to Manhattan, that on the lay-up turns into a (I assume) to get back to the city. So it comes into the station on the Manhattan-bound track while at the same time holding up a Manhattan-bound . See the point I'm trying to make. Atlantic, no. Utica, maybe but I think they use the latter anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trainmaster5 Posted October 17, 2009 Share #16 Posted October 17, 2009 a t/o on this forum said they are building a track from Union Port Yd to E180th Yd so the trains that need yard access transfer won't need to go thru e180th station. And to upgrade signal The connection is being built to allow out of service Dyre trains direct access to East 180th St yard which means a switch and associated signals are being installed now. The switch is partially completed now and the new signals are in place but covered for now. One of the old interlocking signals has been modified already so the 3 headed monster has only 2 heads now. Weather permitting, more work is scheduled for this weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
553 Bridgeton Posted October 17, 2009 Share #17 Posted October 17, 2009 WPR can hardly handle trains now. Can you imagine during rush hr with a terminating at E180th? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2Line1291 Posted October 17, 2009 Share #18 Posted October 17, 2009 Seventh Ave Express Leave it the way it is, but i'll admit; its messed up how it gots to make all those stops in The Bronx while the makes 6 stops then goes express the whole way but its about what the people want. Seventh Ave Express If the MTA was somewhat rich.....the could or should be extended past 145th St into the Bronx to connect w/ the near 149th St-Grand Concourse running w/the to Woodlawn as a local and during rush hours as a express train (probaly). Late nights it terminates @ Harlem-148th St like it does now. Lexington Ave Express Outside of being a Rogers Junction burden, its fine the way it is. I agree it should run local in the Bronx w/ the at nights and express in Manhattan to Grand Central-42nd St. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted October 17, 2009 Share #19 Posted October 17, 2009 Seventh Ave ExpressLeave it the way it is, but i'll admit; its messed up how it gots to make all those stops in The Bronx while the makes 6 stops then goes express the whole way but its about what the people want. Seventh Ave Express If the MTA was somewhat rich.....the could or should be extended past 145th St into the Bronx to connect w/ the near 149th St-Grand Concourse running w/the to Woodlawn as a local and during rush hours as a express train (probaly). Late nights it terminates @ Harlem-148th St like it does now. Lexington Ave Express Outside of being a Rogers Junction burden, its fine the way it is. I agree it should run local in the Bronx w/ the at nights and express in Manhattan to Grand Central-42nd St. The via WPR not good, so much delays on the WPR, even the passes there for a cleaning at 239th and still a bit over capacity, especially during RH . Plus this will anger people from 148th and 145th St Station with no service on Lenox. The late night.. I dont know. I dunno how much crews would that need and it cost the t/a money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted October 17, 2009 Share #20 Posted October 17, 2009 No, you misread the post, 2line is saying run the 3 with the 4 up the Jerome line. The 2/5 stays the same. I would think he's talking about a connection to the 4 somewhere near Yankees stadium or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted October 17, 2009 Share #21 Posted October 17, 2009 No, you misread the post, 2line is saying run the 3 with the 4 up the Jerome line. The 2/5 stays the same.I would think he's talking about a connection to the 4 somewhere near Yankees stadium or something. oh sry.. Too bad the New Yankees Stadium didnt block the old 9th Ave EL connection, the could of used that th0. But it dont think the t/a will be building any type of EL in future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted October 17, 2009 Share #22 Posted October 17, 2009 I would think it would be more like a tunnel that would graually rise up to connect to the el. But yes, the new stadium is blocking what used to be the old polo grounds link to the Jerome Av line. The connection will have to be built taking up parts of the street or a lot so the 3 can connect to the 4 by running on top of it [sort of like the Manhattan bound L to the J line at Broadway Junction] Like this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted October 17, 2009 Share #23 Posted October 17, 2009 I would think it would be more like a tunnel that would graually rise up to connect to the el. But yes, the new stadium is blocking what used to be the old polo grounds link to the Jerome Av line.The connection will have to be built taking up parts of the street or a lot so the 3 can connect to the 4 by running on top of it [sort of like the Manhattan bound L to the J line at Broadway Junction] Like this That might affect development around it and could lead to traffic all over the River Avenue area. If the T/A would of done this years ago, we'd be cool right now. Similar to the SAS project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted October 17, 2009 Share #24 Posted October 17, 2009 Of course. Either way there's no chance the 3 will ever run with the 4 on the Jerome Av line. The only way the 3 runs into the Bronx would be on its own row. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2Line1291 Posted October 18, 2009 Share #25 Posted October 18, 2009 I was thinking right after (literally right after) 149th St-Grand Concourse towards Yankee Stadium a tunnel connection could be built allowing the to run on the Jerome Line to Woodlawn all times except late nights. It would be a lot cheaper than connecting the to Jerome Ave by tunnel + elevated structure between Yankee Stadium and 167th St. I wonder if the Jerome connection would allow the to run express in The Bronx (south of E. 180th) rush hours and the runs local all times except late nights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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