R44 5278 Posted October 23, 2009 Share #26 Posted October 23, 2009 Expect these to wear out in a decade and retire in two decades just like every Shinkansen fleet except the 0 series. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queens Surface Posted October 24, 2009 Share #27 Posted October 24, 2009 The whole M8 train is good except for that headlight up front, it doesn't look good at all. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ MC Posted October 24, 2009 Share #28 Posted October 24, 2009 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KTrainExp Posted October 24, 2009 Share #29 Posted October 24, 2009 Expect these to wear out in a decade and retire in two decades just like every Shinkansen fleet except the 0 series. I believe the Shinkansen fleet retires because of a constant surplus in spending cash which leads to periodic train switches and upgrades. The M8s will last longer than that and you know it. So don't go hating on new technology trains as the Cosmopolitans in my opinion, are the worst of all MNRR fleets. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pu3rToRoCk8947 Posted October 24, 2009 Share #30 Posted October 24, 2009 I don't mind the change in design when it comes to the headlight but overall the design looks okay and it looks promising,let's wait for the testing results and revenue service runs and then we can really if it's worth the money spent.I will miss the Cosmopolitans and like they say,out with the old and in with the new.I don't always agree with that saying because you look at the remaining small fleet of MNRR M1A's and they are still with us,too bad LIRR had to say sayonara to their M1's :cool: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Far Rock Depot Posted October 25, 2009 Share #31 Posted October 25, 2009 The M8's exterior werent designed by Kawasaki. it was Cesar Vergara. Hes also responsable for the exteriors of the P42s, PL42s, Alp46s. Comet Vs, and also was part of the team who designed Sweden's X2000. He aslo had a stint with NJT and updated NJTs livery with the fading 3 color stripe on their new equipment. Im a fan of his work but personally, that M8 front gotta go!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metsfan Posted October 25, 2009 Share #32 Posted October 25, 2009 For MU that have been in service non stop since who knows when (before alll most all of us on here were born), through the hell years of railroads, over 2 voltages and line frequency of AC, plus 3rd rail DC, the cosmos are in remarkable shape, and have been the unglamorous workhorse alongside the FL9's, through blizzards, wars, how many presidents... They got the job done & still do. Will be sad when they go, i just hope the M8 is a worthy replacement in real world day to day operation. - A 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Louis Car 09 Posted October 25, 2009 Author Share #33 Posted October 25, 2009 I believe the Shinkansen fleet retires because of a constant surplus in spending cash which leads to periodic train switches and upgrades. The M8s will last longer than that and you know it. So don't go hating on new technology trains as the Cosmopolitans in my opinion, are the worst of all MNRR fleets. I wouldn`t go as far as aying the cosmos are the worst,they are actually well built trains.We are talking about trains here that was designed and co-built by the legendary Budd company.these cars stand the test of time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted October 25, 2009 Share #34 Posted October 25, 2009 I believe the Shinkansen fleet retires because of a constant surplus in spending cash which leads to periodic train switches and upgrades. The M8s will last longer than that and you know it. So don't go hating on new technology trains as the Cosmopolitans in my opinion, are the worst of all MNRR fleets. Didn't Japan sell off their original Shinkansens to another country? I thought I heard about that somewhere. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeystoneRegional Posted October 26, 2009 Share #35 Posted October 26, 2009 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest Glen Posted October 26, 2009 Share #36 Posted October 26, 2009 I wish they kept the M3 exterior but added the new ammenities. The M8 is a comfortable and technologically advanced car but it's an eyesore. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Louis Car 09 Posted October 26, 2009 Author Share #37 Posted October 26, 2009 I just read today that testing could delay the trains service debut well into 2010:cry: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metsfan Posted October 26, 2009 Share #38 Posted October 26, 2009 I just read today that testing could delay the trains service debut well into 2010:cry: Welcome to the . - A 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Louis Car 09 Posted October 26, 2009 Author Share #39 Posted October 26, 2009 Here is the latest on the M8`shttp://www.stamfordadvocate.com/ci_13640385?source=most_viewed 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan05979 Posted October 27, 2009 Share #40 Posted October 27, 2009 Here is the latest on the M8`shttp://www.stamfordadvocate.com/ci_13640385?source=most_viewed I dont know, that m8 looks sharp in those pics, I hope lionel makes a model of it 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ MC Posted October 27, 2009 Share #41 Posted October 27, 2009 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metsfan Posted October 27, 2009 Share #42 Posted October 27, 2009 Question what are the chances the flaws on these cars will be minimal? Built by an experienced rail equipment manufacturer... We won't know till they get em on the tracks. - A 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Louis Car 09 Posted October 27, 2009 Author Share #43 Posted October 27, 2009 I think they will do great, I think the biggest hurdle would be how the car works running on three different voltages. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metsfan Posted October 27, 2009 Share #44 Posted October 27, 2009 Probably have a similar electrical system to the cosmo's, since theirs works just fine. - A 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Louis Car 09 Posted October 27, 2009 Author Share #45 Posted October 27, 2009 Your right Metsfan.The cosmos have been doing this for over 30 years.The M8s though are a much heavier piece of equipment and requires more power.As we speak,metro-north are working around the clock to update the electrical distribution system to the cantenary,once it was theorized that the M8`s had the potential to blow out substations due to its heavy power consumption similar to what the M7`s were doing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metsfan Posted October 27, 2009 Share #46 Posted October 27, 2009 Your right Metsfan.The cosmos have been doing this for over 30 years.The M8s though are a much heavier piece of equipment and requires more power.As we speak,metro-north are working around the clock to update the electrical distribution system to the cantenary,once it was theorized that the M8`s had the potential to blow out substations due to its heavy power consumption similar to what the M7`s were doing. I know (NJT) had to do some major backend work to switch the :me: from DC to AC, not just more juice for the new equipment, but AC, and longer trains too. - A 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amtrak7 Posted October 28, 2009 Share #47 Posted October 28, 2009 I hope you're aware that the first batch of these cars aren't going to replace anything. They will be used to add seat capacity, as unlike LIRR, some NH trains run with only 6 or 8 cars during peak periods. These M8's are very complicated, not only do we have the 12kv60hz and 25kv60hz catenary, we also have a hybrid third rail shoe that is supposed to be able to handle both MNCRR and LIRR third rail. Had it not been for the weight issue, they could've added a 12kv25hz transformer onto them in order to run to PSNY via catenary as well as run to Secaucus. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Louis Car 09 Posted October 28, 2009 Author Share #48 Posted October 28, 2009 Lets keep our fingers cross that things work out.Im confident the Japanese could do the job. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Far Rock Depot Posted October 28, 2009 Share #49 Posted October 28, 2009 technicologically, i see these cars doing well. Kawasaki has a great track record. its the weight issue im worried about. Parts could wear down quicker. I was hoping for triplets to help with this issue 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs Edwards1 Posted November 18, 2009 Share #50 Posted November 18, 2009 I can`t wait til these new cars get here.These old cars are looking worn down:( 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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