TheKorean Posted January 26, 2010 Share #101 Posted January 26, 2010 So basically they are modern version of M2? Whats wrong with 3rd rail? Why cant they use it in CT? Seems like a most convenient way for electric trains to operate. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregorygrice Posted January 26, 2010 Share #102 Posted January 26, 2010 So basically they are modern version of M2? Whats wrong with 3rd rail? Why cant they use it in CT? Seems like a most convenient way for electric trains to operate. Well why pay billions to add third rails when you already have the catenaries to use? The NEC is all catenary. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKorean Posted January 26, 2010 Share #103 Posted January 26, 2010 Eh, I suppose. I like 3rd rail system much better, though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregorygrice Posted January 26, 2010 Share #104 Posted January 26, 2010 Eh, I suppose. I like 3rd rail system much better, though. Both ways are cool. But catenary lines allow trains to run at faster speeds than third rail. Thats why all highspeed trains (that are electric) run on catenary wires. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKorean Posted January 26, 2010 Share #105 Posted January 26, 2010 ^Really? Didnt know that. Never took Metronorth, ever. I have rode NJ Transit and LIRR. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beelinefan Posted January 28, 2010 Share #106 Posted January 28, 2010 Per the rr.net topic M8 pair 9104/9105 arrived in New Haven this morning. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKorean Posted January 28, 2010 Share #107 Posted January 28, 2010 Did they begin service as of right now? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregorygrice Posted January 28, 2010 Share #108 Posted January 28, 2010 Did they begin service as of right now? (N)ot yet buddy. They go through months of testing just like the first pair that arrived on Christmas eve. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Louis Car 09 Posted January 28, 2010 Author Share #109 Posted January 28, 2010 cost my dearPlus Amtrak would not go for that.Believe it or not my wife asked me that same question awhile back. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m7zanr160s Posted January 29, 2010 Share #110 Posted January 29, 2010 Does each and every set go through months of testing, or just the very first one? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregorygrice Posted January 29, 2010 Share #111 Posted January 29, 2010 Does each and every set go through months of testing, or just the very first one? Yes I believe so. Because they are carrying people, the MNRR must make sure everything works on the train. It's the same thing with the subway cars. Alstom(which produces the R160s) has their own testing facility somewhere in upstate NY where testing is done on every car that comes out of the factory. So the NYCTAs job is done for them already. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Louis Car 09 Posted January 29, 2010 Author Share #112 Posted January 29, 2010 Yes I believe so. Because they are carrying people, the MNRR must make sure everything works on the train. It's the same thing with the subway cars. Alstom(which produces the R160s) has their own testing facility somewhere in upstate NY where testing is done on every car that comes out of the factory. So the NYCTAs job is done for them already.Alstom`s facility s in hornell and I believe they have a 1 mile test track for all types of rail equipment. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregorygrice Posted January 29, 2010 Share #113 Posted January 29, 2010 On the history channel they said that the facility is dedicated to the R160 but idk 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Far Rock Depot Posted January 29, 2010 Share #114 Posted January 29, 2010 the manufacturer may test their products but the MTA does the same. And more. remember, unlike older fleets, these new ones now have to be programmed and tested to make sure their automatic stop announcement are working properly. like when we saw 160s first arriving and they were running "simulated" runs by opening doors opposite of the platforms. Once everything seems ok, brakes, propulsion, etc, then they must run in revenue for a specific amount of time WITHOUT a mechanical problem. i believe its 30 days for the subway. im assuming its longer for the railroads 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rutgers Tube Posted January 29, 2010 Share #115 Posted January 29, 2010 the manufacturer may test their products but the MTA does the same. And more. remember, unlike older fleets, these new ones now have to be programmed and tested to make sure their automatic stop announcement are working properly. like when we saw 160s first arriving and they were running "simulated" runs by opening doors opposite of the platforms. Once everything seems ok, brakes, propulsion, etc, then they must run in revenue for a specific amount of time WITHOUT a mechanical problem. i believe its 30 days for the subway. im assuming its longer for the railroads I want to say that I read something from the Connecticut Commuter Rail Council stating that initial testing can take approximately three months, and basically consists of running the railcars at all speeds in all directions at all locations in all conditions, basically to test the limits of the new equipment. I would imagine that once the initial delivery is pushed hard and no issues have be noted, the subsequently-ordered railcars won't require as rigorous of a testing period, though I'm not certain about that. Please remember that these are the first new cars on the New Haven line in 15 years, and are a radical departure from the current rolling stock, so testing the first batch delivered is crucial. I'm interested to see how the updated catenary system holds up. On a somewhat-related note, does anyone know if ATC cab signalling identical to the M2/4/6's is being used? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Louis Car 09 Posted January 29, 2010 Author Share #116 Posted January 29, 2010 On the history channel they said that the facility is dedicated to the R160 but idkDedicated in terms of how much money this order is making them:p But I believe the Lapa Brazil body facility and the Hornell N.Y facility do other rail cars and other equipment.Maybe what they meant by that is that they may have re-tooled their facility to specifically handle the R160 Order.Isn`t it crazy that Kawasaki is the head of the r160 project!!! which is why Alstom R160s are riding on Kawasaki trucks.Im telling you Kawasaki are running things and not just trains either. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregorygrice Posted January 29, 2010 Share #117 Posted January 29, 2010 Dedicated in terms of how much money this order is making them:p But I believe the Lapa Brazil body facility and the Hornell N.Y facility do other rail cars and other equipment.Maybe what they meant by that is that they may have re-tooled their facility to specifically handle the R160 Order.Isn`t it crazy that Kawasaki is the head of the r160 project!!! which is why Alstom R160s are riding on Kawasaki trucks.Im telling you Kawasaki are running things and not just trains either. I think you're right because if I owned Alstom I wouldn't spend money on a facility that is eventually gonna stop making R160s once the order is complete. So they must be doing other things there as well. On a somewhat-related note, does anyone know if ATC cab signalling identical to the M2/4/6's is being used? They are using cab signaling similar or the same to the M7 I believe but it will also be programed to along Amtrak. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayjay1213 Posted January 29, 2010 Share #118 Posted January 29, 2010 Greg is correct, the M8's have the same cab signals as the M7, but also are equipped with Amtraks ACSES or whatever the initials are. From the pictures I have seen of the cabs, they are identical to the M7's except for the headlight switch being lowered, the addition to the Amtrak cabs, and the changover switch for AC/DC. Also, all cars will have to run thru the test period. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregorygrice Posted January 29, 2010 Share #119 Posted January 29, 2010 Greg is correct, the M8's have the same cab signals as the M7, but also are equipped with Amtraks ACSES or whatever the initials are. From the pictures I have seen of the cabs, they are identical to the M7's except for the headlight switch being lowered, the addition to the Amtrak cabs, and the changover switch for AC/DC. Also, all cars will have to run thru the test period. Thats cool that you got to see the cab! are those pics online? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayjay1213 Posted January 29, 2010 Share #120 Posted January 29, 2010 There are some pictures on pg 41of M8 thread in the Metro North section of http://www.railroad.net 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan Railer Posted January 29, 2010 Share #121 Posted January 29, 2010 There are some pictures on pg 41of M8 thread in the Metro North section of http://www.railroad.net 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregorygrice Posted January 29, 2010 Share #122 Posted January 29, 2010 Thanks:tup: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m7zanr160s Posted January 31, 2010 Share #123 Posted January 31, 2010 I want to say that I read something from the Connecticut Commuter Rail Council stating that initial testing can take approximately three months, and basically consists of running the railcars at all speeds in all directions at all locations in all conditions, basically to test the limits of the new equipment. I would imagine that once the initial delivery is pushed hard and no issues have be noted, the subsequently-ordered railcars won't require as rigorous of a testing period, though I'm not certain about that. Please remember that these are the first new cars on the New Haven line in 15 years, and are a radical departure from the current rolling stock, so testing the first batch delivered is crucial. I'm interested to see how the updated catenary system holds up. On a somewhat-related note, does anyone know if ATC cab signalling identical to the M2/4/6's is being used? That's what I think, too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Far Rock Depot Posted January 31, 2010 Share #124 Posted January 31, 2010 I'm interested to see how the updated catenary system holds up. Im sure they'll hold up well. even though Acela Express is limited to 90mph on metro-north's tracks, they sem to be running with it well. Im curious how the M8's will work with Amtraks catenary south of New Rochelle for proposed Penn Sta service. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Louis Car 09 Posted January 31, 2010 Author Share #125 Posted January 31, 2010 Nice simple control console.Looks like the(MTA) is using that same design layout for the controls.It looks like one day MNRR might be testing CBTC. with the second screen. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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