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New York Deposits on Bottled Water Take Effect Oct. 31

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ALBANY, N.Y. (AP/ 1010 WINS) -- Nickel deposits will be imposed on bottled water in New York state starting Oct. 31. after U.S. District Judge Deborah Batts issued an order lifting an injunction on the deposits.

 

All containers of water under a gallon will have a 5-cent refundable deposit, as beer and soda containers have for years.

 

Laura Haight of the New York Public Interest Research Group said the deposit will result in more recycling and less litter.

 

The Food Industry Alliance of New York State says it will mean consumers will pay $2 more for a 24-pack of water.

 

Gov. David Paterson said after Friday's judicial action that 80 percent of unclaimed deposits will go to the state as much-needed revenue.

 

Bottlers got the injunction in June so they'd have more time to prepare.

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It doesn't affect me at all. I use pur water filters at home. I can't even remember the last time I bought bottled water. If I am on the road I have my insulated water bottle with my filtered water from home.

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Good news. Why people don't recycle is beyond me... Hello, steel, alu, plastic, glass, paper etc etc etc can allll be recycled..

 

- A

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This is a landmark I've been waiting for for years. People at my school have called me ridiculous for recycling whenever possible. My town (and NYC) landfill their trash, and the thought that the bottles and food you throw away will be there long after you die is scary. It is the best thing I have seen Paterson do so far.

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Good news. Why people don't recycle is beyond me... Hello, steel, alu, plastic, glass, paper etc etc etc can allll be recycled..

 

- A

 

I only do it when I get something back, like the 5 cents from the machine at the supermarket, otherwise i dont care because I dont buy the whole capitan planet/global warming mantra.

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I only do it when I get something back, like the 5 cents from the machine at the supermarket, otherwise i dont care because I dont buy the whole capitan planet/global warming mantra.

 

There is nothing to "buy", it's simple mathematics. Recycling one alu soda can saves enough energy to light a 100 watt bulb for a year. In a few years there may be some landfills dug up to get at all of the stuff that can be recycled, including metals like brass, gold, and copper.

 

Alu smelters at the various facilities around the world use enough energy in one month to light and power NYC for 10 years. Try to wrap your brain around that number. Recycling only requires one step refining, melt it down & pour into ingots. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aluminium_smelting

 

Plastics recycling needs a far, far lower temperature, and has no waste, since anything left over, is put back into the beginning of the process. Plastics recycling can be done at the same facility that makes the end product, some processes even put plastic in one end of a machine from municipal & industrial plastics sites & out the other side of the machine is the finished product.

 

Glass is simply sorted by color and added into the rough materials intake (for rejected pieces and extra material from cutting to final size etc). Some glass is repurposed, and is simply processed or put in raw to that second life.

 

Steel is about the same as aluminum, but is a lot more interesting, because you can find cars, old tank parts, rebar, construction/demolition scrap, and the occasional railcar, and yes even steel rails and axle sets.

 

Paper is the same as most of these, repurposed, or mixed in with the raw material to form whatever product or part. Some of your fiberboard desks may have been a new york times, or an old book, or meat market wrapping.

 

All of these materials & more are recycled at great savings in time and energy, which is one reason why they are so abundant.

 

- A

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YES hahaha SUCK IT YUPPIES. Bottled water is for retards. Just drink tap water or buy a Brita or a PUR filter.

 

Tax away on things like this, NYS, cuz the working people don't buy bottled water very often!

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YES hahaha SUCK IT YUPPIES. Bottled water is for retards. Just drink tap water or buy a Brita or a PUR filter.

 

Tax away on things like this, NYS, cuz the working people don't buy bottled water very often!

 

Not everyone can afford a $100 dollar plus filter, or have a filter be practical on certain faucets, and some people who can't use or afford filters have lead in their pipes from old plumbing. Also, filters only really work for drinking out of a cup/mug/glass unless you also buy a reseal-able container, which once empty is dead weight taking up space in your bag etc. I am not a "yuppie", and i have to drink bottled water, and i am not a retard. I don't appreciate your narrow minded & hatefully toned comments.

 

I recycle every bottle i use, i compact them into an inch tall mush of plastic, put them in the net pockets of my bag, and toss into nearest plastic recycling receptacle, if one is not found out & about i toss it in the recycling bin when i get home, or when i get to my girlfriend's place.

 

If i didn't use bottled water, i'd be forced to drink juice and milk etc, which would aggravate my heartburn, and give me more sugar and whatnot than my body needs, and when i'm out, which is usually all day, i'd have no way of getting a drink.

 

- A

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Not everyone can afford a $100 dollar plus filter, or have a filter be practical on certain faucets, and some people who can't use or afford filters have lead in their pipes from old plumbing. Also, filters only really work for drinking out of a cup/mug/glass unless you also buy a reseal-able container, which once empty is dead weight taking up space in your bag etc. I am not a "yuppie", and i have to drink bottled water, and i am not a retard. I don't appreciate your narrow minded & hatefully toned comments.

 

I recycle every bottle i use, i compact them into an inch tall mush of plastic, put them in the net pockets of my bag, and toss into nearest plastic recycling receptacle, if one is not found out & about i toss it in the recycling bin when i get home, or when i get to my girlfriend's place.

 

If i didn't use bottled water, i'd be forced to drink juice and milk etc, which would aggravate my heartburn, and give me more sugar and whatnot than my body needs, and when i'm out, which is usually all day, i'd have no way of getting a drink.

 

- A

 

A Brita is not half $100. In fact ... people would actually save money in the long run having a Brita since bottled water can get expensive since it's usually $1.50 or $2 per bottle in Manhattan. That adds up fast, so a Brita would probably pay for itself in less than a month. At home, I drink straight tap water and we buy bulk bottled water 24 pack from Staples for $3 or $4 to take to school and work. Otherwise, I only buy bottles when I'm out and don't already have something.

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A Brita is not half $100. In fact ... people would actually save money in the long run having a Brita since bottled water can get expensive since it's usually $1.50 or $2 per bottle in Manhattan. That adds up fast, so a Brita would probably pay for itself in less than a month. At home, I drink straight tap water and we buy bulk bottled water 24 pack from Staples for $3 or $4 to take to school and work. Otherwise, I only buy bottles when I'm out and don't already have something.

 

I buy 24 packs of the deer park/poland spring (same company) because i can compact them down to a very small size. They are 4 bucks, or 6 depending where i buy, and one lasts me about a month. Since when i'm out i look to carry as little as possible, and what i do carry i like to be small & light, a refillable bottle only makes sense if i'm going biking in winter without the fountains in the park working (they shut them off to avoid pipe damage), and at that point i'd have something else in the bottle to give me energy (tea, hot cocoa, orange mango) since i don't really need hydration when biking in winter. We are looking into a whole house filter system for the next project after windows, kitchen (needs painting desperately), and it would be a water softener on the main pipe, and in-line filters (under the sink) for the kitchen, both bathroom sinks, hose line (leads to exterior faucet) and probably the shower.

 

- A

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YES hahaha SUCK IT YUPPIES. Bottled water is for retards. Just drink tap water or buy a Brita or a PUR filter.

 

Tax away on things like this, NYS, cuz the working people don't buy bottled water very often!

 

We already have the highest taxes in the nation and you wanna steal (i mean tax) more money out of people

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We already have the highest taxes in the nation and you wanna steal (i mean tax) more money out of people

 

You need the taxes to support civil services & infrastructure for that many people.

 

I agree some people drink bottled water excessively, but most people i know, including myself, use it as a way to not use tap water w/ lead in pipes & also not rely on a restaurant or cafe for water. You can't bring a glass of water on the train for use later.

 

- A

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You need the taxes to support civil services & infrastructure for that many people.

 

 

Not necessarily, there are plenty of other cities with similar large populations that dont have such high taxes, like Dallas or Atlanta

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Not necessarily, there are plenty of other cities with similar large populations that dont have such high taxes, like Dallas or Atlanta

 

They also don't have the income levels that NYC taxpayers do, and not as many people, and no real transit system aside from a few small rail items and mostly bus. They also are land locked, not on a group of islands/surrounded by water & the ocean. White plains & Purchase NY are home to several corporate HQ of very large companies, there are some out on long island too, as well as "upstate". For its size, NJ has a higher tax on stuff, but they are full of industry and commerce as well. It all balances out in the end, or at least it's supposed to. Taxes paid that are not returned in the form of government function, services and such is called a deficit. National deficit is owed to the taxpayers, not owed by the taxpayers. That should be a point of issue, not the tax %.

 

- A

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They also don't have the income levels that NYC taxpayers do, and not as many people, and no real transit system aside from a few small rail items and mostly bus. They also are land locked, not on a group of islands/surrounded by water & the ocean. White plains & Purchase NY are home to several corporate HQ of very large companies, there are some out on long island too, as well as "upstate". For its size, NJ has a higher tax on stuff, but they are full of industry and commerce as well. It all balances out in the end, or at least it's supposed to. Taxes paid that are not returned in the form of government function, services and such is called a deficit. National deficit is owed to the taxpayers, not owed by the taxpayers. That should be a point of issue, not the tax %.

 

- A

 

There are those out there like myself who would rather the government just do less and ill take care of myself with my OWN hard earned money, rather than them stealing my money and half of the so called services, I have no use for

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There are those out there like myself who would rather the government just do less and ill take care of myself with my OWN hard earned money, rather than them stealing my money and half of the so called services, I have no use for

 

So then by that logic you're saying you know how to:

-walk to work every day

-get your own electricity

-get your own water, and filter it so it is drinkable yourself

-dispose properly of your own trash in a sanitary way

-create your own food

-deliver your own mail

-educate your own children

-keep yourself and your family safe at all times in a lawless society

-put out a large fire in your building should one happen

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There are those out there like myself who would rather the government just do less and ill take care of myself with my OWN hard earned money, rather than them stealing my money and half of the so called services, I have no use for

 

Too bad that doesn't work. I'm a libertarian at heart but even I realize that realistically, that doesn't work. There has to be a level of government involvement.

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So then by that logic you're saying you know how to:

-walk to work every day

-get your own electricity

-get your own water, and filter it so it is drinkable yourself

-dispose properly of your own trash in a sanitary way

-create your own food

-deliver your own mail

-educate your own children

-keep yourself and your family safe at all times in a lawless society

-put out a large fire in your building should one happen

 

That's approaching bare minimum, some of those things like mail and trash the private sector can handle. I would only support Police, Fire, and Military. What I don't care to be spending money on is subsidizing unproductive members of society, or on social engineering projects, or bailouts and other such nonsense that our current "administration" is so keen on wasting money on. The government should learn to do more with less and stop encroaching on more and more of the private sector.

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There are those out there like myself who would rather the government just do less and ill take care of myself with my OWN hard earned money, rather than them stealing my money and half of the so called services, I have no use for

 

So you'll fix the roads, filter & distribute water, be fire & police, build things, demolish things, clean the streets, etc etc etc? Taxes are not "stealing your money", and the "everyone for themselves" system doesn't work. They tried that once, ended up with a revolution in several countries & colonies. Turns out people often can't fend for themselves.

 

Next an idea to raise money for SAS with lemonade stands? Please.

 

You are not the only person living in NY.

 

- A

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So you'll fix the roads, filter & distribute water, be fire & police, build things, demolish things, clean the streets, etc etc etc? Taxes are not "stealing your money", and the "everyone for themselves" system doesn't work. They tried that once, ended up with a revolution in several countries & colonies. Turns out people often can't fend for themselves.

 

Next an idea to raise money for SAS with lemonade stands? Please.

 

You are not the only person living in NY.

 

- A

 

The things you describe aren't even where the majority of the tax money even goes to. What I dont like are the excessive entitlement programs that are bankrupting the nation. and I just said my response to Subway Guy, the basics are fine, what I am against is them turning America into another European style welfare state.

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We already have the highest taxes in the nation and you wanna steal (i mean tax) more money out of people

 

Taxes on non-essential (and potentially harmful) goods such as tobacco, alcohol and even bottled water are fair enough. If you do not wish to pay the tax, you can always avoid consuming said goods.

 

Property taxes in NYC are much lower than in the suburbs (e.g. Long Island or Westchester). There really isn't any other option but to tax consumption in order to raise revenue for social services in NYC.

 

New York City has one of the purest water supplies in the USA, and is one of only four cities to have a permit to allow its water to go unfiltered/untreated. I do not see why there is still so much revulsion for tap water.

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There really isn't any other option but to tax consumption in order to raise revenue for social services in NYC.

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Heres an option, spend less, reform the Social Services so they arent bankrupting the city.

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The Social Services are NOT bankrupting the city...the cause is declining tax revenues that WERE sustainable before your beloved "private sector" started gambling with everyone's investments and retirement savings, moving the money to reduce their tax liability, then after their speculating exploded in their faces catastrophically, shook their heads and said "guess we made nothing so we don't owe any taxes" and started firing their employees so THEY made less and paid less in taxes too.

 

Government and public services ARE VERY NECESSARY. Go back to your US history and see what letting private industry run amok did. You had sweatshops and factories that operated like sweatshops legal in the US, no union protection, the Robber Barons making money at everyone else's expense, people dying or falling into poverty because of workplace accidents for which they received nothing except a swift kick in the ass out the door. You had huge corporations that were too big to fail in oil, steel, railroads, and other key industries that just kept going and undercutting any and all competition using cut throat business tactics like price fixing, etc.

 

The rules and agencies and programs that were created during and after the Great Depression, just like the rules created after the so called Gilded Age, were drafted directly in response to these things because business proved it could not be trusted, and it has done so over and over and over and over again. Government provides those vital services because private industry has shown it cannot be trusted. These things exist for a reason. Part of the reason we wound up in a financial crisis was the stripping down of these regulations by regulators who were bought sold and paid for by the very financial interests (private companies) that were being kept in line by these rules. Now you're saying you want to do away with more rules and programs created in response to previous crisises?

 

Every time people said "free market, capitalism, laissez faire" etc things got so bad that eventually the government had to step in. It's the one common thread in all US history, and it's said those who do not learn from history repeat the mistakes. 230 years of American History say not to trust private industry with certain key functions, and I'm willing to at least learn from that and allow government to perform those roles.

 

Do I agree there's waste? Of course...there's waste everywhere. But turning ANY of that stuff over to the private sector would be catastrophic.

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Well if theres less tax revenue but not a change in spending, it means the spending will bankrupt the city. How do you plan on getting the businesses back into the city?

 

Also, I clarified much earlier I had said cetain basic things I have no problem with, but we are moving beyond the balance of government and industry that we had in the 80s and 90s towards European-style socialism.

 

Then again I dont live in NYC so if it all goes to hell like Detroit, as long as the rest of New York doesn't have to bail it out, quite frankly they can do what they like within the confines of the 5 boros, if they wanna turn it into another Pyongang or Havana or with all the taxes and regulations, go right ahead.

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