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New York Deposits on Bottled Water Take Effect Oct. 31


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I do not see why there is still so much revulsion for tap water.

 

You are kidding right? Dont you know about all of the crap that leaches into the ground and into the water system? How all the water treatment plants pump out treated waste water back into the water we drink? I dont know about you but theres a reason they have to put chlorine in the water that comes out of the tap, its because there are contaminants in the water. The water NYC gets has to travel downstate through a few hundred miles of pipes that are hundreds of years old. You mean to tell me there are no dead animals or nasty things growing in those century old pipes? Not to mention all of the traces of pharmaceuticals that are found in the water supply because of waste.

 

I'd rather pay for a gallon of water that only had to travel a very short distance to the factory than some water traveling underground through some rotten pipes. And then theres the part where it goes through the corroded nasty copper pipes from the street into the house or apt. building.

 

Yeah ill stick to drinking good old bottled water. This deposit they are putting on water and that they put on soda and other drinks has nothing to do with tax money. The whole pourpose is this...

 

The corporations have to pay taxes for producing all of these plastic and glass bottles etc that end up taking space in landfills and are not recycled. So inorder for them to weasel their way out of it they get these people to pass laws so that way you have to pay a deposit on the containers so that way it gives the public an incentive to recycle the trash for the corporations. Back when people cared about a nickel they would make sure they got their nickel back. When you see all of these poor people with shopping carts full of empty containers found in the trash they are doing exactly what the corporations want... Cleaning up their mess.

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Heres an option, spend less, reform the Social Services so they arent bankrupting the city.

 

The social services programs don't do enough. You have people with all kinds of degrees in nursing, being home health aid etc, but nowhere is hiring, and if they are it's not a living on income. Welfare state? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welfare_state I see the US having a gigantic population compared to canada, uk, france.... Not everyone here can pull their own weight, and we have more of such people than other countries, because even with the same %, the absolute number will be larger. Imagine you developed PTSD and moderate to severe depression... Do you really want to be all alone to deal with it all by yourself with no one even guiding you? The programs are there for people worse off than you, so instead of saying "get rid of it", how about "i'm lucky enough not to need it".

 

As stated above, NYC has unfiltered drinking water. I do not, our water comes from both regional wells, and is piped in from the adirondack aquifer. Our ground water sits in sediment, under limestone formations, and sandstone is very common. Anything spilled into a stream goes into the drinking water, and since stuff does, it's filtered, plus our pipes are mainly lead and steel, whereas NYC has iron pipes for the most part, which while not as new, don't put stuff into the water unless there's damage on the interior surface. Yea, our town has lead mains pipes. They are being removed & replaced with coated steel pipes, but they are still there, and we have to be careful. I'll drink monitored spring water from a store bought bottle before drinking our tap water any day of the week.

 

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Well if theres less tax revenue but not a change in spending, it means the spending will bankrupt the city. How do you plan on getting the businesses back into the city?

 

Also, I clarified much earlier I had said cetain basic things I have no problem with, but we are moving beyond the balance of government and industry that we had in the 80s and 90s towards European-style socialism.

 

Then again I dont live in NYC so if it all goes to hell like Detroit, as long as the rest of New York doesn't have to bail it out, quite frankly they can do what they like within the confines of the 5 boros, if they wanna turn it into another Pyongang or Havana or with all the taxes and regulations, go right ahead.

 

Well you know my solution. Raise tax rates on the wealthy a portion of the way back to where they used to be and get rid of certain tax credits that only benefit the wealthy. I mean how do corporations that make tens of billions of dollars in pure PROFIT wind up with a total tax bill of say 14 million bucks. That would be like me paying a tax bill of $75 on a 50K salary for example. Close the loopholes and things will begin to improve.

 

And we are nowhere near socialism. We are all allowed to own things, there is no requirement that everyone be paid the same. For the last 15 years no one said a word while the rich raped and pillaged everyone else, buying legislators from both parties in the process to do it "legally", and suddenly now that people want to bring things back to a more healthy distribution that is historically consistent with the way the US has been and has always been, suddenly its "socialism?" Sorry i'm not buying that. Apparently it's only "class warfare" when WE THE PEOPLE fight back against the agenda of the outrageously rich.

 

America is not India. There is no caste system here and you can do things which is why people came here as immigrants, and why we have rags to riches. Those who decided to manipulate that and keep it rags to rags have done a disservice and all that is trying to be done is to bring things back the way they were.

 

That said there are many liberal ideas I do not agree with like gun control, I agree with the Republicans that there needs to be tort reform, and I think that the idea of energy credits is retarded and will create another economic bubble that will blow up. But on this they're right because America was good because if you weren't lazy you could live quite well and be comfortable, and a majority of the people did so. Nowadays most of the middle class is underwater, fighting for good jobs, or just plain struggling to make ends meet. That's not the America I grew up believing in..

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Well you know my solution. Raise tax rates on the wealthy a portion of the way back to where they used to be and get rid of certain tax credits that only benefit the wealthy. I mean how do corporations that make tens of billions of dollars in pure PROFIT wind up with a total tax bill of say 14 million bucks. That would be like me paying a tax bill of $75 on a 50K salary for example. Close the loopholes and things will begin to improve.

 

can it be done? without hurting the middle class, those in the 50k-150k range. The middle class is the group that winds up hurting the most, they make too much to get the benefits but are still responsible to pay for things they cant use. I'm more receptive to this if its not the middle class that gets lumped in with the wealthy and has to pay for all this stuff.

 

And we are nowhere near socialism. We are all allowed to own things, there is no requirement that everyone be paid the same. For the last 15 years no one said a word while the rich raped and pillaged everyone else, buying legislators from both parties in the process to do it "legally", and suddenly now that people want to bring things back to a more healthy distribution that is historically consistent with the way the US has been and has always been, suddenly its "socialism?" Sorry i'm not buying that. Apparently it's only "class warfare" when WE THE PEOPLE fight back against the agenda of the outrageously rich.

 

I don't think we will get the same authoritarian system that China and Cuba got, but we might wind up with a system like England or France, where there's high taxes and unemployment, and way too many rules and regulations.

 

America is not India. There is no caste system here and you can do things which is why people came here as immigrants, and why we have rags to riches. Those who decided to manipulate that and keep it rags to rags have done a disservice and all that is trying to be done is to bring things back the way they were.

 

im curious, what timeframe is that? The 60s were good economically but too many radicals running around, the 70s the economy went bad, especially in new york city.

 

That said there are many liberal ideas I do not agree with like gun control, I agree with the Republicans that there needs to be tort reform, and I think that the idea of energy credits is retarded and will create another economic bubble that will blow up. But on this they're right because America was good because if you weren't lazy you could live quite well and be comfortable, and a majority of the people did so. Nowadays most of the middle class is underwater, fighting for good jobs, or just plain struggling to make ends meet. That's not the America I grew up believing in..

 

I agree and the middle class is also the group that winds up getting the least amount of help from both sides. How do we go about fixing it? the government cant support everyone, its going broke supporting the exsiting people that get assistance. New York state is in a unique situation, when times were good on wall street, there was plenty of money to go around for social programs, but wall street is in trouble and theres not enough revenue. Michigan has the same problem, the car companies aren't doing well and theres not enough revenue.

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Nothing we can do about it........just pay up.....I bring 2-3 bottles of water a day to work.....I usually buy the cases as it comes out cheaper that way.....I go to Walmart and stock up.....so come Thursday.....look out trunk....I will buy 4 cases or so......but it will be interesting to see how high the prices go.....still at 6 bucks for a 24 pack that will be a good deal verses buying one at the local deli.......currently 1-1.25 a pop.....talk about profit....they probably pay .18 cents for one.....I think bobble head got this one right aka Patterson

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can it be done? without hurting the middle class, those in the 50k-150k range. The middle class is the group that winds up hurting the most, they make too much to get the benefits but are still responsible to pay for things they cant use. I'm more receptive to this if its not the middle class that gets lumped in with the wealthy and has to pay for all this stuff.

 

Simple. They already have the mechanism to do this. (1) Raise capital gains taxes because the wealthy are the ones who do the bulk of investing. Investment money rarely goes to bills anyway or affects standard of living now. (2) Create new tax brackets for those above $1 Million income, all the way up to $100 million income. Tax the heck out of people at those levels, with the $100 million income taxed at 80%, and the $1 million taxed at say 45%. Everyone else's tax rates stay the same as now.

 

Reduce tax deductions for rental properties and other luxury things that only the wealthy can afford. Cap automobile depreciation deductions, all these tax havens for the wealthy. Continue going after people who hide their money offshore, penalize the hell out of them financially when you catch them and toss them in jail.

 

I don't think we will get the same authoritarian system that China and Cuba got, but we might wind up with a system like England or France, where there's high taxes and unemployment, and way too many rules and regulations.

 

Political correctness causes that, which we already have. Government programs have nothing to do with that.

 

im curious, what timeframe is that? The 60s were good economically but too many radicals running around, the 70s the economy went bad, especially in new york city.

 

During the 50's. the 60's "radicals" was mostly in response to stuffy parenting habits and sheltering of kids which took place in the 1950's hence the reaction to Elvis when he first came out. The 70's were rough but a lot of that was caused by fallout from Vietnam (soldiers coming back now being unemployed), the fuel crisis (Arab oil producing countries blocked shipments to Western countries), had nothing to do with regulation/deregulation.

 

 

 

I agree and the middle class is also the group that winds up getting the least amount of help from both sides. How do we go about fixing it? the government cant support everyone, its going broke supporting the exsiting people that get assistance. New York state is in a unique situation, when times were good on wall street, there was plenty of money to go around for social programs, but wall street is in trouble and theres not enough revenue. Michigan has the same problem, the car companies aren't doing well and theres not enough revenue.

 

Of course, the middle class gets it stuck in them. Plus the superwealthy have caused the definition of middle class to also apply to people making 100-200K a year, they are not middle class, they are pretty darn wealthy. So the problem is that who they really need to help is the 30-100K group but that's who gets the least help. Banks don't want you to know what you sign, which is why their fighting consumer protection. But it's no different than the fact the food you eat is FDA approved, your phones are FCC compliant, etc. I don't hear anyone complaining about the fact that the government must inspect food for quality through FDA and yet when something similar comes along in finance it's "leave it alone it's fine" well if it's so fine why is everything going to hell?

 

And to those that think cutting down on outrageous bonuses will hurt the US because "all these talented people will go overseas" I say two things:

1-Good riddance

2-Most actually won't go because the US is the only country that pays people like that to do a disservice. Most European and Asian countries do not have the outrageous bonuses that the US does. Most people don't do that so when some "bankster" gets on TV and tells you he thinks bonuses are needed to keep people, he is full of shit. The reality is there are millions of unemployed who would happily take entry level jobs at those companies, and middle managers who would gladly take that guy's spot.

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I've been drinking unfiltered NYC tap water for over 20 years now and I'm still alive and kicking. B)

 

Wait until they conduct some studies on links between lead poisoning and psychological disorders. You'll fill the research books with tons of good info. B)

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Wait until they conduct some studies on links between lead poisoning and psychological disorders. You'll fill the research books with tons of good info. B)

 

If that is the case then you must have been drinking water straight out of the East River. B)

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Wait until they conduct some studies on links between lead poisoning and psychological disorders. You'll fill the research books with tons of good info. :P

 

You live in Long Island. Studies have already shown drinking that water is gonna give you breast cancer.

 

NYC actually has good municipal water. And that's all besides the point if you get a Brita tap filter or a Brita pitcher. Still cheaper than Bottled water.

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My school has increased the price of a bottle of water by 10 cents.

 

But, there is no way to redeem the deposits for yourself, and if you place them in the recycle bin in the cafeteria, the deposits go to the environmental club's fund. Although I do, I doubt many people take it home to get the money back.

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$3.99, Are you sure? have you looked at the reciept, tax section, and bottle surcharge?

 

You raise a good point....but I thru it out already......I will check on that next time...... the price at the counter when it rung up was 3.99 thou...

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How come you cannot redeem the deposits? My school's vending machine bottles are accepted at the Machines at supermarkets...

 

Yes, they are, but I don't think anybody takes them to the supermarkets. The people who empty the recycling bins take the deposits for themselves.

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