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I just saw the empty Barge of Death returning from the open seas and towards 207th Street Yard about 2-3 hours ago... Expect a couple of more car retirements soon, since once the current scrap cars are loaded onto the barge, that will make room for new scrap cars at the yard.

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I just saw the empty Barge of Death returning from the open seas and towards 207th Street Yard about 2-3 hours ago... Expect a couple of more car retirements soon, since once the current scrap cars are loaded onto the barge, that will make room for new scrap cars at the yard.

 

Barge of Death will only take out R42 and R32 for the forseeable future I gather. Will be a long time before R44's and then R46's start to get replaced.

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Using our ocean as a dumping ground for subway cars is the dumbest thing I've ever heard of. I'm against it. I hope the barge sinks or something ;)
If not for asbestos, I would've been in favor of those metals being recycled to make new cars or something. It seems such a waste to just sink all that metal [even carbon steel] into the ocean.
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If not for asbestos, I would've been in favor of those metals being recycled to make new cars or something. It seems such a waste to just sink all that metal [even carbon steel] into the ocean.

 

I agree 100% what genius came up with the idea to make artificial reefs out of these cars. what they did was come up with a way to legally dump garbage into the ocean. all those cars down there it must look like a train yard. you know in a few years someone is going to get a team of people and try to get one out of the ocean and try to claim it as treasure.

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Using our ocean as a dumping ground for subway cars is the dumbest thing I've ever heard of. I'm against it. I hope the barge sinks or something ;)

ROTFLMAO! The barge ain't sinking!

 

But with that said, from day one of the reef program I've been totally against it too. Scrapping the cars is the proper way to dispose of them, just like it's always been done. The only reason why it's being done this way is because I was told there was so much asbestos in them it would cost more to mitigate it than the money they'd get from the scrapper. Years ago, asbestos was not an issue. But they're now mitigating asbestos from the end bonnets of the R42's anyway before stripping so who knows? Maybe it's a hazard for the crews who strip and prepare the cars for reefing?

 

In any event, this is off shore dumping, pure and simple. One day, you're gonna see subway car body parts wash up on some beach! I heard recently some cars are deteriorating faster than others. I wonder if when these cars are pushed off the barge, some are landing on top of one another or upside down? If so, naturally they're gonna break apart quicker since a subway car can't support itself structurally on its' roof. Plus all the weight of the water pressure has to deteriorate the car too.

 

Finally the LIRR M1's were shipped to Mexico "for disposal" only because ther are no asbestos mitigation laws there, or so I was told.

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If not for asbestos, I would've been in favor of those metals being recycled to make new cars or something. It seems such a waste to just sink all that metal [even carbon steel] into the ocean.

 

I 100% agree with you right here!

 

Either way it's still going in the bottom of the ocean. ;)

 

Dang!

 

ROTFLMAO! The barge ain't sinking!

 

But with that said, from day one of the reef program I've been totally against it too. Scrapping the cars is the proper way to dispose of them, just like it's always been done. The only reason why it's being done this way is because I was told there was so much asbestos in them it would cost more to mitigate it than the money they'd get from the scrapper. Years ago, asbestos was not an issue. But they're now mitigating asbestos from the end bonnets of the R42's anyway before stripping so who knows? Maybe it's a hazard for the crews who strip and prepare the cars for reefing?

 

In any event, this is off shore dumping, pure and simple. One day, you're gonna see subway car body parts wash up on some beach! I heard recently some cars are deteriorating faster than others. I wonder if when these cars are pushed off the barge, some are landing on top of one another or upside down? If so, naturally they're gonna break apart quicker since a subway car can't support itself structurally on its' roof. Plus all the weight of the water pressure has to deteriorate the car too.

 

Finally the LIRR M1's were shipped to Mexico "for disposal" only because ther are no asbestos mitigation laws there, or so I was told.

 

That's what I'm real worried about. You're polluting the water by dumping toxins into the ocean. The rusted metal from the trains will discolor the water, and eventually the asbestos will do a number to marine life, and the TA will realize that reefing was (and is) a bad idea.

 

And question: how does one mitigate the asbestos. I know mitigate is the same word as abate, or remove, but how do they get it off the metal?

 

I think they should recycle these cars. Not sink em! There are loads of trains being sunk.. I wounder if in years later the water will be all reefed cars..

 

:P

I can only wonder....

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Yeah, I agree with you about how this might affect marine life and the waters. Asbestos is toxic, but you have to wonder how it will affect the water compared to if this was done on land.

The redbirds, I probably don't care much about as far as scrapping, but at the very least the R32s being mostly stainless steel would be so much more valuable as scrap metal. I mean wouldn't china or india want such metals now that they have a booming middle class system?

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My understanding of it is that asbestos in the water doesn't affect sea life pretty much at all... remember we've been turning train cars into artificial reefs for quite a few decades and every one of them is absolutely covered in sea life within a few years. You also end up having growth covering the entire car surface inside and out, which makes it much harder for any asbestos to get out! Also it's pretty difficult for stuff to come off these cars and tun up on the beach - when they strip down the cars for reefing they remove basically all the small parts and doors, and the stuff left over can't float by itself.

 

Some of them do end up landing upside down and getting crushed flat, however sea life can still use those in much the same way.

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I remember reading on the NJ Scuba Diving website (or something like that) that even if cars are damaged on the way down to the ocean floor (ex - car is flattened upon landing), that the amount of sea life able to utilize the subway car for an environment is almost the same as if the car were still intact. I would assume that the only difference would be the types of species that live in the cars.

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I remember reading on the NJ Scuba Diving website (or something like that) that even if cars are damaged on the way down to the ocean floor (ex - car is flattened upon landing), that the amount of sea life able to utilize the subway car for an environment is almost the same as if the car were still intact. I would assume that the only difference would be the types of species that live in the cars.

 

hopefully they paid their fare

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