bharat Posted November 24, 2009 Share #1 Posted November 24, 2009 On Sat, I hopped into a downtown at 42 st with someone from out of town. When we got in, she wanted to know weher we were getting off so she could find it on the electronic map. I look up and I struggle to find "Park Place" and then realize why - it is a "(5)" map! So a was bsing used on the . How often does that happen? Today, I hopped into a downtown at 7Av/53rd and buried myself in my mag. Then when it stopped betwene stations somewhere I had lost track of where we were. So I look up at the display and what do I see? The orange "(F)" sign and the strip map showing the next stop to be "Avenue A"! As it turned out, we pulled up into W4 a couple of minutes later and I got my bearings back. Bharat http://eone.vox.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted November 24, 2009 Share #2 Posted November 24, 2009 On Sat, I hopped into a downtown at 42 st with someone from out of town. When we got in, she wanted to know weher we were getting off so she could find it on the electronic map. I look up and I struggle to find "Park Place" and then realize why - it is a "(5)" map! So a was bsing used on the . How often does that happen? The and the share equipment and the cars are interchangeable...IE to keep service levels as intended, a may come into the terminal at Flatbush Ave, then before it leaves, it becomes a to fill a gap in service...and a little later a will become a to make up for the train that became a . They do this often, and since the strip maps are physically inside the car, there isn't time to change them out or anything when this happens, so you will see cars with line strip maps and vice versa fairly often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevenEleven Posted November 24, 2009 Share #3 Posted November 24, 2009 As for the R160 on the , the FIND locked up. Ther R160s are notorious for that. Usually a route reset or full system reset should fix that. It pays to listen to announcements though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul P Posted November 24, 2009 Share #4 Posted November 24, 2009 On Sat, I hopped into a downtown at 42 st with someone from out of town. When we got in, she wanted to know weher we were getting off so she could find it on the electronic map. I look up and I struggle to find "Park Place" and then realize why - it is a "(5)" map! So a was bsing used on the . How often does that happen?Today, I hopped into a downtown at 7Av/53rd and buried myself in my mag. Then when it stopped betwene stations somewhere I had lost track of where we were. So I look up at the display and what do I see? The orange "(F)" sign and the strip map showing the next stop to be "Avenue A"! As it turned out, we pulled up into W4 a couple of minutes later and I got my bearings back. Bharat http://eone.vox.com For the and , the cars are swapped and shared, that's why occasionally you see for example a "(5) train car" on the line, it happens often, but only on the R142 because their strip maps cannot be changed quickly. For R160s (the one you saw with the and ) what happens is their FIND system (electronic strip map version) is known to often freeze up resulting for the route and stations to be mismatched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted November 24, 2009 Share #5 Posted November 24, 2009 The Easy way to say it: and Swaps cars with each other at Flatbush Avenue, then they get stuck with each other till ether they swap at Flatbush or at 239th Street yard. Yes they can swap there too.. They swap because if one train was late for service, like the and there is two 241st bound at Flatbush, they will turn one of the (2)s into a .. Same vicr versa.. TrainMaster<5> said it before.. You can see the Union Port cars on the on weekend sor late nights, same for the cars on ! For the and , i think they share cars too... Via Jamaica. Lucky its an R160 tho, so no strip maps used! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattTrain Posted November 24, 2009 Share #6 Posted November 24, 2009 and Swaps cars with each other at Flatbush Avenue, then they get stuck with each other till ether they swap at Flatbush or at 239th Street yard. Yes they can swap there too.. They swap because if one train was late for service, like the and there is two 241st bound at Flatbush, they will turn one of the (2)s into a .. Same vicr versa.. TrainMaster<5> said it before.. You can see the Union Port cars on the on weekend sor late nights, same for the cars on ! For the and , i think they share cars too... Via Jamaica. Lucky its an R160 tho, so no strip maps used! Very well said! :tup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted November 24, 2009 Share #7 Posted November 24, 2009 Very well said! :tup: Thanks but the real credit goes to TrainMaster(5), hes really gd at this !... I bet the same thing happens to the in forest hills? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevenEleven Posted November 24, 2009 Share #8 Posted November 24, 2009 Thanks but the real credit goes to TrainMaster(5), hes really gd at this !... I bet the same thing happens to the in forest hills? Doubt that. I more believe that people don't read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted November 24, 2009 Share #9 Posted November 24, 2009 Doubt that. I more believe that people don't read. What are you talking about?:confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevenEleven Posted November 24, 2009 Share #10 Posted November 24, 2009 What are you talking about?:confused: I'm saying that people don't pay attention to the bullet on the front/back on the train, listen to announcements and look at the destination scroller thing in the cars. There's hardly been times where I've seen the scrollers lock up like the FINDs on the R160s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted November 24, 2009 Share #11 Posted November 24, 2009 I'm saying that people don't pay attention to the bullet on the front/back on the train, listen to announcements and look at the destination scroller thing in the cars. There's hardly been times where I've seen the scrollers lock up like the FINDs on the R160s. Your right! People just don't read especially tourist. I mean even for the g/o on the weekend, people were wondering whats going on.. Geez.. Then they blame the t/a for this crap.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted November 24, 2009 Share #12 Posted November 24, 2009 You have to remember a lot of tourists are not railfans and they rely on guides that show the regular service pattern...just help them out and don't make fun of them (unless they insist on not listening to what you say) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted November 24, 2009 Share #13 Posted November 24, 2009 Well I wouldn't say making fun of them in their presence as being a smart thing to do, but if they choose to remain ignorant, just let them be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayBuffer Posted November 24, 2009 Share #14 Posted November 24, 2009 I'm saying that people don't pay attention to the bullet on the front/back on the train, listen to announcements and look at the destination scroller thing in the cars. There's hardly been times where I've seen the scrollers lock up like the FINDs on the R160s. That's not completely fair since rollsigns have often been signed incorrectly because of: people changing signs (especially when they still had handcranks) broken signs insufficient time to change signs at terminals where equipment is swapped. Even recently when R-32s, 40s, and 42s were on the , some trains were running completely signed for other lines. You have to remember a lot of tourists are not railfans and they rely on guides that show the regular service pattern...just help them out and don't make fun of them (unless they insist on not listening to what you say) Furthermore, I've noticed that some of these tourist guides (which they probably paid for) are filled with errors and have outdated maps, some of which still show the Manny B service pattern. :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted November 24, 2009 Share #15 Posted November 24, 2009 You have to remember a lot of tourists are not railfans and they rely on guides that show the regular service pattern...just help them out and don't make fun of them (unless they insist on not listening to what you say) I dont make fun and i do help. And why would they be reailfans or not? There signs up to read.. Now unless they dont know english then im speechless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRG Posted November 24, 2009 Share #16 Posted November 24, 2009 Furthermore, I've noticed that some of these tourist guides (which they probably paid for) are filled with errors and have outdated maps, some of which still show the Manny B service pattern. :confused: Think that's bad? In 2000, I remember coming across a couple out-of-towners with a map showing yellow (, , , and ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted November 24, 2009 Share #17 Posted November 24, 2009 Wow. I would also assume they would be buying their cards from the booth as well. I don't understand why they can't just ask the person for a map. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted November 24, 2009 Share #18 Posted November 24, 2009 Many don't even know you can get maps at station booths Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted November 24, 2009 Share #19 Posted November 24, 2009 Hem yeah, but isn't it also hard to miss the map posted on the glass on some of the booths? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattTrain Posted November 24, 2009 Share #20 Posted November 24, 2009 Those strip maps really fool passengers along Nostrand Avenue. I once had a passenger riding what she thought was a train with the strip map, but hearing "This is a Manhattan bound express train, the next stop is Nevis Street." the passenger freaked out and got off. I remember the first week the R160s were on the , some people thought the trains were trains. When they were at 21st Street Queensbridge, some passengers had a panic attack. They scrambled to get off at West 4th Street to get their beloved back. No excuse on confusing the for a or vice versa. The R160 displays work so that all info is on one line. Sometimes it freezes, but lately I had all R160 displays working properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoSpectacular Posted November 24, 2009 Share #21 Posted November 24, 2009 It's rare that I find an R160 with a jumbled display, usually they work fine. Last time I had a "jumbled" display it was on the around last month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KTrainExp Posted November 25, 2009 Share #22 Posted November 25, 2009 I'm saying that people don't pay attention to the bullet on the front/back on the train, listen to announcements and look at the destination scroller thing in the cars. There's hardly been times where I've seen the scrollers lock up like the FINDs on the R160s. R160 FINDs locking up has been a thing in the past. Most of the NTTs that I'm seeing now are having minor problems or no problem at all. Compared to a few months ago, the situation has definitely improved. The and switching thing is a VERY frequent thing to be seen along the and trains. This happens everyday and it can get kind of annoying sometimes. I've seen tourists and regular riders ALWAYS get confused at Grand Concourse when the R142 is sitting at the station almost ready to depart. The problem is that the stairs come down right next to the window that does not show the side LED screens. In addition to that, the annoucements already played and the train is about to leave in a few seconds. The strip maps certainly don't help in that situation and there's been many times where people ended up getting off at 135th street in Manhattan or 3 Avenue - 138th Street. Some station visuals would help in that situation, but daily riders get used to the subway patterns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted November 25, 2009 Share #23 Posted November 25, 2009 To add to the confusion, there will be times a 2 will run on the east side and the 5 on the west side and this doesn't even involve problems on either side or GOs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoSpectacular Posted November 25, 2009 Share #24 Posted November 25, 2009 Yeah I've run into a train with the strip maps. Does get a little disorienting. They need to upgrade! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted November 25, 2009 Share #25 Posted November 25, 2009 I don't find it too much of a problem. When in doubt, just look at the subway map at the ends of the cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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