Luis1985 Posted December 5, 2009 Share #101 Posted December 5, 2009 Not going to happen. There's not enough R160s to make the all R160. yea that is true. but say in the future if jamaica gets more R160's, will they be placed on the , or will they still be using R46's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luis1985 Posted December 5, 2009 Share #102 Posted December 5, 2009 OH, THE IRONYEvery time he has said something it has turned out to be correct. He has access to reliable and correct sources. YOU do not. You are in no position to speak. Many R32s have been retired from Jamaica, which is why they only have 20 now. They used to have hundreds, and not all of them were transferred to 207th. Not even close. You don't speak for all Queens Blvd. riders. THANK YOU! Flushing Exp....idk wats wrong with u, but we've been thru this before. YOU ARE NOT 100% CORRECT! STOP SWEARING THAT EVERYTHING YOU SAY IS TRUE WHEN IS NOT. C'mon man, u need to stop this ASAP! It's not right for u to be talking to people on this site like that, which is why people get on you alot. not just on here, other places too. So relax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted December 5, 2009 Share #103 Posted December 5, 2009 yea that is true. but say in the future if jamaica gets more R160's, will they be placed on the , or will they still be using R46's? 'Excess' R160s will have to go somewhere and sure they can end up on the R and V lines. Dunno about the G though [depends on if they send it to CI or keep it at Jamaica]. But there will always be R46s around because there's too many of them to replace. Even if the A/C becomes all R46, there will still be left over trains left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted December 5, 2009 Share #104 Posted December 5, 2009 Sad commentary on the state of our nation. Very sad indeed. It shows either poor parenting skills or the 'group mentality' wins out over common decency. This is why there should not be more than 5 kids per group. Even a small group of them, they act like asses.:tdown: If the schools they currently attend is about the same as schools in their neighborhood, they should be going to those schools instead. Cut down on the amount of kids on the trains and buses. Obviously if they were accepted to specialized schools like Brooklyn Tech or whatever, then they can go to those schools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted December 5, 2009 Share #105 Posted December 5, 2009 There is absolutely NO power issue in the Rockaways. If there were, how come the R160s passed the 30-day test on the when it failed on the ? And furthermore, why are trains tested in the Rockaways if there is a power issue? Well that's what I've read, I'm just a messenger. Plus it was no more than one train per direction as opposed to bunch of trains after another. Maybe the test track could be powered separately from the mainline, I dunno? But they need that track because it is a nice strait, flat batch of land to run back and forth on. They could have a test track elsewhere, but I guess they feel that area at broad channel is best for testing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R44 5278 Posted December 5, 2009 Share #106 Posted December 5, 2009 'Excess' R160s will have to go somewhere and sure they can end up on the R and V lines. Dunno about the G though [depends on if they send it to CI or keep it at Jamaica]. But there will always be R46s around because there's too many of them to replace. Even if the A/C becomes all R46, there will still be left over trains left. We'll just have to sit back and wait. Remember that 754 R46 is 1.5x more trains than 754 60ft trains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted December 5, 2009 Share #107 Posted December 5, 2009 Assuming no R46s are scrapped by the time the last R44 is retired, I think it is a fairly safe bet that R46s will still be at Jamaica [unless they were for some reason moved to another yard]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ023 Posted December 5, 2009 Share #108 Posted December 5, 2009 'Excess' R160s will have to go somewhere and sure they can end up on the R and V lines. Dunno about the G though [depends on if they send it to CI or keep it at Jamaica]. But there will always be R46s around because there's too many of them to replace. Even if the A/C becomes all R46, there will still be left over trains left. Are there enough R68 on the at Coney Island to move those to the should they change it to Coney Island yard? 42nd St. Shuttle Jerome R62A A Pitkin, 207th St. R32, R44, R46 Runs a few sets of R32s a day R46s undergoing SMS B Coney Island R32, R68/A Runs 1 set of R32s due to extra trains needed for Brighton Local service (as part of the Brighton line station rehabilitation program) C Pitkin, 207th St. R32 Runs 8-car trains. Expected to run full-length trains in the future. D Concourse R68 E Jamaica R160 F Jamaica R46, R160 R46s undergoing SMS. G Jamaica R46 R46s undergoing SMS. Rockaway Park Shuttle Pitkin R44 Runs 4-car trains. During the summer, full-length trains are used. J East New York R42, R160A Mostly R160A; runs 2-5 trains of R42s throughout the day L East New York R143, R160A The R143s on the line run using ATO and CBTC at all times. M East New York R160A N Coney Island R160 Q Coney Island R68, R160 R Jamaica R32, R42, R46 R46s undergoing SMS Franklin Avenue Shuttle Coney Island R68 Uses 2 R68 2-car trains V Jamaica R32, R42, R46 R46s undergoing SMS W Coney Island R160 Z East New York R42, R160A Uses same fleets as the J Based on the data, we know the following: and will be 100% R160 soon will be all R160 soon. There are extra R68 on the . Could these be used for the and is there enough should go to Coney Island Yard? Or is there just enough to knock off the older cars at Coney Island? All the R46 should go to Pitkin Yards. Consolidate car type there and have all those R46 SMS'ed. All new R160 should go to the , as soon as they can be added. only need a few. just needs a few to replace those R68. needs them to complete it to R160. Then the rest should go to the then the . R44 and R46 are similar and the R44's can't change to other lines. Therefore all R46's should go to Pitkin, and should not stay at Jamaica. Coney Island Yards should keep the R68/R68A and R160. Jamaica will have R46 remaining on the and for awhile with the R160 starting to appear on the then . and should be the priority lines right now then when those are finished up. Assuming 2-5 sets of R42 shared on the (J)/(Z) that isn't much and the I dont know how many R68 they run. The to get to fully R160 shouldn't be too long after that. So how long till they get 5 trainsets in is the question. I have a feeling they could add the R160 to the before the however. It does look like R42 and R32 will be gone very soon and the R44 + R46 will be the oldest cars in the system. Joe Korner website shows 50 cars of R160 came in last month so if that number holds up, for this month, that will be able to replace all the cars I mentioned: Then move the R46's over to Pitkin from the and perhaps the if they place R68 on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3348 Posted December 5, 2009 Share #109 Posted December 5, 2009 yea that is true. but say in the future if jamaica gets more R160's, will they be placed on the , or will they still be using R46's? They will still be using R46s. I'm not sure right now if the will get R160s or not (Jamaica's allotment is only enough to fill the and ) but I wouldn't be surprised if some R160s popped up on the . We'll just have to sit back and wait. Remember that 754 R46 is 1.5x more trains than 754 60ft trains. 752, there were 2 R46s that did not survive long enough to be overhauled. Are there enough R68 on the at Coney Island to move those to the should they change it to Coney Island yard? There are extra R68 on the . Could these be used for the and is there enough should go to Coney Island Yard? Or is there just enough to knock off the older cars at Coney Island? All the R46 should go to Pitkin Yards. Consolidate car type there and have all those R46 SMS'ed. All new R160 should go to the , as soon as they can be added. only need a few. just needs a few to replace those R68. needs them to complete it to R160. Then the rest should go to the then the . R44 and R46 are similar and the R44's can't change to other lines. Therefore all R46's should go to Pitkin, and should not stay at Jamaica. Coney Island Yards should keep the R68/R68A and R160. Jamaica will have R46 remaining on the and for awhile with the R160 starting to appear on the then . If the were to be sent to CI, then all that would need to happen would be that Jamaica sends the equivalent of the number cars it currently uses for the , to CI. Right now, the uses 52 R46's, so Jamaica can just send 65 R160s to CI. There's too many R46s to send all of them to Pitkin Yard. The might get a few R160s but the is not going to get R160s. Jamaica only has enough to fill the and with them. The may use 1 or 2 R46s when Jamaica's order is finished (they could keep some R160s out as spares but at this point there's no point speculating over something so miniscule). R44's can go to other yards but there's no reason to. It's not that they can't change yards. Just let everything play out in the coming months instead of repeating the same speculation every time something new happens, because it isn't worth it when the delivery is over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted December 6, 2009 Author Share #110 Posted December 6, 2009 okay Let Me break it down: Right After the R42's retire I presume, R160's will start rolling on the , I did hear from alot of T/O's around 71st ave mention they will be putting R160's on the ®omeo, After that They will start to put them on the or lines, A station Cleaner at 2nd ave spoted an R160 testing on the line last week, So there will be a possibllity for the to get them by january, Also the will get them for OPTO service (Nights & Weekends) (rerember after the is OOS they lay-up the trains (R46's) and cut them in half to make trains., DON"T EXPECT THE R32's to Retire yet, It seems that 207th wants the to be 100% R46's, you might see another Major Swap but this time R32's back to JYD and More R46's to 207th st YD, Or those 26 R32's would be transferd to 207th to make the 10 cars, They can not send those R32's to scrap because they will be needed, Also Ride those ENY R42's, Just to be safe than sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted December 6, 2009 Author Share #111 Posted December 6, 2009 752, there were 2 R46s that did not survive long enough to be overhauled. Those 2 R46's were in an accident in 1987, The Head car slammed into the bumper Block North of 179th st. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted December 6, 2009 Author Share #112 Posted December 6, 2009 Oh for the Futrue assignment for the : Read here: http://www.subchat.com/readflat.asp?Id=865653&p=1#867206 Read every single post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted December 6, 2009 Author Share #113 Posted December 6, 2009 Does that mean they really will send 32's over to replace them after all? that would make sense, so that the 32's would be the sole old fleet, which could be switched around between the yards as need arises. I keep on hearing about that, Hopefuly they are smart to do that, Alot of people that I know that works with the TA said that the R32's will be the last, In other words, They want the R42's done for before the R32's and you still got the 10 car R32 trainset that has no replacement since there is no replacement plan to knock out that R32. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nel070 Posted December 6, 2009 Share #114 Posted December 6, 2009 its going to all 160s on the and and all 46s on the and and the will continue with 46s 160s on the express trains and 46s on the locals on qb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted December 6, 2009 Share #115 Posted December 6, 2009 For now yes, but when more R160s comes, expect to see them on the local lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted December 6, 2009 Share #116 Posted December 6, 2009 When Jamaica gets more R160s, they will be placed on the F. Once all R160s arrive, there will still be enough R46s assigned to Jamaica to fill the entire G, R and V lines, as well as one train for the F. The entire E and all but one train on the F will be R160. The next 3 trains of R160s which arrive will displace 3 trains of R46s to the V, which will replace the last 3 trains of SMEEs there. After that, the remaining R160s will be displacing trains of R46s over to 207th to replace the R32s assigned to the C. How the 480 foot to 600 foot train switch will occur on the C I honestly don't know. I see two possibilities- One being that enough R46s will be transferred over to make all C trains 600 feet long in one push. As the C train requires 21 trains (including spares), you'd need 4-5 trains of R46s to convert the C to full length. The other is that the last two trains of R32s assigned to the V will be sent to 207 and be used to make all C trains 10 cars long. (In actuality, I would highly expect that both 10 car trains would remain intact, and that two 8 car C trains would provide the cars to allow 8 C more trains to become 10 cars.) That still leaves you with only 10 trains, so youd need another 2-3 trains of R46s from Jamaica to finish the conversion to 600 foot trains. After all the Alstom trains for Jamaica arrive, the 4 car sets for ENY will start arriving, allowing for the retirement of the R42s there. As these are currently anticipated to be the last R160s delivered, the ENY R42s should be the last SMEEs retired. If Kawasaki slows down suddenly and significantly, or Alstom changes the order in which the cars are delivered,(both of which are unlikely) then the C's R32s may outlast the J's R42s. There is no reason whatsoever for NYCTA to transfer the R32s to ENY or Jamaica. Although such is not impossible, any such claim should be taken with a shovel-full of salt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted December 6, 2009 Share #117 Posted December 6, 2009 A little bit of math related to the numbers of trains assigned to and needed from Jamaica Yard: Jamaica provides all trains for the E F G R and V lines. Once all R160s have been delivered, Jamaica will have 82 trains of R160s, and 60 trains of R46. Including spare factors, Line requirements are as follows: E: 30.5 trains F: 53 trains G: 7.5 trains(15 half trains in reality) R: 33.5 trains V: 17.5 trains E+F=83.5 trains. R160s= 82 trains. So, even when all the R160s do come in, There will not be enough to fill up the entire E and F lines, let alone provide for any whatsoever on the G, R and V. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R44 5278 Posted December 6, 2009 Share #118 Posted December 6, 2009 Art, keep in mind that not all trains are used all hours, so technically there are enough trains to suffice the operations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted December 6, 2009 Share #119 Posted December 6, 2009 Not all trains are available to be used at all hours either. At peak service, the D requires 30 trains. 35.5 trains are assigned to the D. those 5.5 extra trains are spares, for both scheduled and unscheduled downtime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ023 Posted December 7, 2009 Share #120 Posted December 7, 2009 Not all trains are available to be used at all hours either. At peak service, the D requires 30 trains. 35.5 trains are assigned to the D. those 5.5 extra trains are spares, for both scheduled and unscheduled downtime. Its amazing how much people get info wrong on here. The is pretty much all R160 now. Next deliveries will make the all R160 and will knock out the R42 on the (J)/(Z) will indeed get R160 as will the . R46 will go to the and . The question mark is the which could have R68 since as you noted, the G doesn't run as many cars. Im not sure what numbers of R68 cars are in service now at Coney Island Yards on the lines where its R68/R160 combinations. All R46's will go to Pitkin Yard as soon as they can. will likely be the next new line to get R160's and the will be next after the gets them. At Jamaica Yard in the coming weeks: 100% R160 100% R160 R46/R160 R46 At East New York in the coming weeks: 100% R160 100% R160 We will see how quickly R160 hit the . Should be any day or week now if they tested the line already since the is going to be completed if it hasn't been already with R160. R32 + R42 on the and are going if they are still on the line since there is much fewer of them now. I think it is possible the could get R68 but its unclear. One thing is certain: The Jamaica Yards days of the R32 + R42 are up. Its all R46 and newer from here on in with newer R160s continually coming in for awhile yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NX Express Posted December 7, 2009 Share #121 Posted December 7, 2009 Its amazing how much people get info wrong on here. At Coney Island Yard in the coming weeks: 100% R160 100% R160 Its amazing how much people get info wrong on here. Coney Island ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ023 Posted December 7, 2009 Share #122 Posted December 7, 2009 Its amazing how much people get info wrong on here. Coney Island ??? I meant East New York, was just about to correct it before you posted that correction. I was thinking R68/R160 which is on the Coney Island yards and was thinking 2 things at once. R68/R160 is the Coney Island Yards and R42/R160 is the East New York Yards. The East New York are the cars which will be 100% R160. Coney Island could stay at R68/R160 or they could move over the R68 to the and if they keep the at Coney Island or not is uncertain. But the best news of all this is the R32 + R42 will be gone from the Jamaica Lines and East New York. Seems like all is well with the ability to get R160's on most of the routes I could ever travel to. Its akin to wanting the airline you fly to have the modern equipment rather than yesteryear technology. Metro North still has to get the new cars on to replace its old cars and the subway still needs more R160s. But based on the statistics it looks like during 2010 the transportation system will be in its best shape yet overall and will be clearly at its peak when the Grand Central Connector comes on. Just hope we can get past these budgetary issues and get the economy going again in the right direction. R46's are still not so horrible compared with the R32/R40 and R42 we had to put up with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3348 Posted December 7, 2009 Share #123 Posted December 7, 2009 How did he get any info wrong? And please stop posting the same speculation over and over in your posts. We already know what your stance is on these cars. Just wait it out over the next few weeks and you will see it's not worth stating the same thing over and over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NX Express Posted December 7, 2009 Share #124 Posted December 7, 2009 How did he get any info wrong? Either I'm crazy, or the are not CI lines.! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted December 7, 2009 Share #125 Posted December 7, 2009 I spotted two R42s on the today. Was riding in one of them, the other was heading the other way. Car #4809 is shot, that's for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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