El person Posted December 4, 2009 Share #1 Posted December 4, 2009 I never got why they have the . It was useful when they were doing Manhattan Bridge repairs, but can't Astoria riders just switch to the if they want local service? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRG Posted December 4, 2009 Share #2 Posted December 4, 2009 That's the point of the , so Astoria riders who want local service won't have to switch for a different train later on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INDman Posted December 4, 2009 Share #3 Posted December 4, 2009 That's the point of the , so Astoria riders who want local service won't have to switch for a different train later on. That and extra Broadway service since in the can be unreliable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilbluefoxie Posted December 4, 2009 Share #4 Posted December 4, 2009 I never got why they have the . It was useful when they were doing Manhattan Bridge repairs, but can't Astoria riders just switch to the if they want local service? It was based off a few early services, first the EE Queens Blvd/Broadway to Whitehall then a rush hour alternate from 71 Continental to Whitehall Then in 86-87 it was yellow ( Astoria/Broadway/West End via Bridge and was moved to the Broadway Local. Then from 88-01 they didnt need it since could only go that way. Currently its additional service for Astoria Riders, I wonder the same thing since I cant imagine theres that many astorians who need a one seat ride to Whitehall St. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R62A 1991 Posted December 4, 2009 Share #5 Posted December 4, 2009 The actually carries quite a bit of its own load from Queens Blvd onto the Broadway Local; the helps it out, especially when the bunches up sometimes. The is also an alternative just in case the is crowded from Brooklyn; you almost always have a chance of getting a seat going northbound from Whitehall until at least Canal Street. Finally, it doesn't matter what train you take north of 34th St going to Astoria, and the could even out the load on the by taking some passengers instead of everyone crowding onto the . That's my theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRG Posted December 4, 2009 Share #6 Posted December 4, 2009 That and extra Broadway service since in the can be unreliable. You said it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted December 4, 2009 Share #7 Posted December 4, 2009 The was originally for Broadway Express Service after 2001. via Broadway Local as Broadway Express, Since the ( was split running only from Norwood the Bronx to 34th St Manhattan while the Northern 6th Ave Tracks at Manhttan Bridge was being fixed up.. Ran Express on the Astoria Line[i think rush hour peak, AM to Manhattan and PM to Astoria], train ran Express on Broadway Line and via Bridge, 4th Ave Exp and West End Local to Coney Island. Replaced the ( via West End/4th Ave Exp as it is now via Broadway Exp and Brighton Local [Replaced the Brighton Local] as Broadway Exp and Brighton Exp [Replaced the (Q6) 6th Ave-Brighton Beach Exp] Once 2004 came in ( service was restored to Coney Island but changed things a bit.. replaced the as the Brighton Beach Express Replaced the as the 4th Ave Exp/West End Local Replaced the as Express Service in Manhattan which ran via Bridge During the day eve and late nights via Whitehall. Local during Weekend via Bridge Remain the same, tho cut back to Brighton breach due to CI Rehab, which was later restored, same for ending at Ave X and at 86th St, Kings County. Discontinued replaced by Replaced the local and ran to Whitehall St during the weekdays only and Astoria Express Service was cut. Grand St Replaced by also saw changes but related to schedule not detoured.. The is needed to replace the as Local for customers on the Astoria Line who want Broadway Service and to provide extra service since the as INDman says is unreliable at most.. 1986-88 a bit diffrent of course with Yellow via Broadway and so on.. But i'll keep it simple.. I remember seeing in the 1979 map the ran via Brigiton, i wonder if that has something to do with the Chrystie Street connection? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeystoneRegional Posted December 4, 2009 Share #8 Posted December 4, 2009 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea Beach Posted December 4, 2009 Share #9 Posted December 4, 2009 We defidently need the ,especially the AM and PM put-ins that go to and come from Kings Hwy in Bklyn via the Sea Beach (N)/via Whitehall . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul P Posted December 4, 2009 Share #10 Posted December 4, 2009 Because is for ®arely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted December 4, 2009 Share #11 Posted December 4, 2009 Agreed with above posters. The R isn't reliable as the only local on Broadway, the W is very useful in helping out the R. Broadway needs 2 locals. And this allows the N to run as an express. It's a win win for everyone as the W allows for extra trains to run in Queens and allow Astoria riders a one seat local line than to wait 'forever' for an R to show up [and most likely crowded]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted December 4, 2009 Share #12 Posted December 4, 2009 We defidently need the ,especially the AM and PM put-ins that go to and come from Kings Hwy in Bklyn via the Sea Beach (N)/via Whitehall . But thats not a regular service thats just the coming from being relayed on the Sea Beach/CI area, (W)s mainline is the Astoria -Broadway Line.. So idk how is that an important issue since the is provided during the rush hour, always, except late nights and as Express except late night as local. I'm so glade the mainly starts at Whitehall St, when it hits 14th St, the gets packed completely, since it came from Kings, while the just started a few stations down.. sounds kinda the same.. This issue sounds more like The when the only ran during Rush Hours to Flatbush leaving the alone on the Nostrands.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S78 via Hylan Posted December 4, 2009 Share #13 Posted December 4, 2009 The does help. Most of them time, passengers can get a seat when the takes a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTOMan Posted December 4, 2009 Share #14 Posted December 4, 2009 I remember seeing in the 1979 map the ran via Brigiton, i wonder if that has something to do with the Chrystie Street connection? I dont think The (M)ikey used that connection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brighton Local Posted December 4, 2009 Share #15 Posted December 4, 2009 I dont think The (M)ikey used that connection. Correct. The simply left DeKalb and crossed to the Brighton Line right before Atlantic Avenue. Same for Manhattan-Bound Trains. Chrystie St was pre- November 26, 1967. Long live the ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luis1985 Posted December 4, 2009 Share #16 Posted December 4, 2009 Because is for ®arely. No, is for ®etarted....theres always something wrong on that line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRG Posted December 4, 2009 Share #17 Posted December 4, 2009 No, is for ®etarted....theres always something wrong on that line. Lol!!! It's too darn slow, that's the only thing I don't like about it. It's not infrequent like other lines are, particularly the with its 7 TPH at the height of the rush, but it feels like you're crawling like a snail when you take that train. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El person Posted December 4, 2009 Author Share #18 Posted December 4, 2009 Thanks for all your answers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattTrain Posted December 4, 2009 Share #19 Posted December 4, 2009 I say the is a compliment of the . It usually takes the load off the in Astoria and the in Broadway, Manhattan. At least the Astoria residents get a direct route to and from Lower Manhattan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bstar1 Posted December 6, 2009 Share #20 Posted December 6, 2009 That's why I think that they should have travel into Brooklyn, via 4 Av loc with the . Travel either via West End to Bay Pkwy replacing (weekdays or just rush hours), or to via Sea Beach with terminating at either, 86 St or King Hwy (weekdays or just rush hours). Most doesn't ride the , because it only goes to lower Manhattan and back to Brooklyn (via Willy B Bridge). Most people choose the to travel to Manhattan, Midtown/Uptown, The Bronx, or Queens. It would provide better service via Brooklyn & Manhattan loc helping the , to reduce some heavy loads. MTA needs to put money into better use, by providing quality service, something that we want. I really bet that when Mta makes travel into Brooklyn, most people will use it to balance out the . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zman Posted December 6, 2009 Share #21 Posted December 6, 2009 That's why I think that they should have travel into Brooklyn, via 4 Av loc with the . Travel either via West End to Bay Pkwy replacing (weekdays or just rush hours), or to via Sea Beach with terminating at either, 86 St or King Hwy (weekdays or just rush hours). Most doesn't ride the , because it only goes to lower Manhattan and back to Brooklyn (via Willy B Bridge). Most people choose the to travel to Manhattan, Midtown/Uptown, The Bronx, or Queens. It would provide better service via Brooklyn & Manhattan loc helping the , to reduce some heavy loads. MTA needs to put money into better use, by providing quality service, something that we want. I really bet that when Mta makes travel into Brooklyn, most people will use it to balance out the . The is not for Brooklyn riders, it's primary purpose is to relieve overcrowding on the Astoria Line. It is cheaper for the TA to operate (N)'s and (W)'s instead of doubling service. The resources saved can be utilized in other manners. Sending (W)'s to Brooklyn would be a waste of money; 4th Avenue already has four services...five if you include the late PM and early AM (W)'s to/from Coney Island Yard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El person Posted December 6, 2009 Author Share #22 Posted December 6, 2009 If they bring the to the Sea Beach line, maybe they could revive Sea Beach express service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted December 6, 2009 Share #23 Posted December 6, 2009 There's no point of that service, it skips all the Sea Beach stations from 59th St to CI. The W is fine at Whitehall, leave it alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fordhamkid7721 Posted December 6, 2009 Share #24 Posted December 6, 2009 the isn't a bad line and it can be depended on when the screws up so it's more than a supplemental line and less than a stand-alone line but it still serves a purpose Sea Beach Express...it failed in the 60s it'll probably fail now lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bockscar Posted December 6, 2009 Share #25 Posted December 6, 2009 I only ride the n, r, w, lines for two stops going to work every day. (59th and lexington) Just having the w there, definitely helps when i miss the n, or the r. More often, i see the n/w before i see the r. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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