mark1447 Posted December 10, 2009 Share #1 Posted December 10, 2009 Is it true the got in trouble for retiring the R42 Coney Island rebuilt since they were not 40+ years old by the feds? Did they pay a fine and has this happened before too? Got it from someone just wanted to be sure and add to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRG Posted December 10, 2009 Share #2 Posted December 10, 2009 I wouldn't be surprised at all. I guess they have to fish them out of the water then and put them for use for another year or so! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Urbanfortitude Posted December 10, 2009 Share #3 Posted December 10, 2009 Who was that someone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INDman Posted December 10, 2009 Share #4 Posted December 10, 2009 Is it true the got in trouble for retiring the R42 Coney Island rebuilt since they were not 40+ years old by the feds? Did they pay a fine and has this happened before too? Got it from someone just wanted to be sure and add to it. I'm not 100% sure, but I think this (Fed money) is why the R44s are sticking around for a few more years. I don't think it had anything to do with the R42s though. When the R44s were built, all the system modifications (tunnel widening and what not) was all paid for by the feds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattTrain Posted December 10, 2009 Share #5 Posted December 10, 2009 Those R42 cars when they started being dumped about January of 2008 or so, some of those cars were not in service for 40 years yet. These cars were designed I believed for at least 35-40 years. That would be really something if that were the case in which (NYCT) gets in trouble for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted December 10, 2009 Share #6 Posted December 10, 2009 False, They had to go due to problems, I am not going to go into detail but Just PM me And I will tell you the reason why they went 1st. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark1447 Posted December 10, 2009 Author Share #7 Posted December 10, 2009 Who was that someone? Sorry can't say False, They had to go due to problems, I am not going to go into detail but Just PM me And I will tell you the reason why they went 1st. The body rusting? PM me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted December 10, 2009 Share #8 Posted December 10, 2009 I personally wonder why the R40Ms were all retired though. They seemed in much better shape than the R42s. Oh well I'm just gald the R32s are still running. I'd much rather the R32s over the R42s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted December 11, 2009 Share #9 Posted December 11, 2009 The overhaul which the R42CIs recieved was substantially less comprehensive than that of the R42MK, Much in the same way that the R36s did not recieve as comprehensive of an overhaul as the identical R29s and R33s did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRG Posted December 11, 2009 Share #10 Posted December 11, 2009 I personally wonder why the R40Ms were all retired though. They seemed in much better shape than the R42s.Oh well I'm just gald the R32s are still running. I'd much rather the R32s over the R42s. For starters, the R40Ms looked better, but that didn't necessarily mean that they ran better. They were older than the R42s so after the MTA got rid of its problematic cars, it got rid of the cars based on how they had aged. That's why by January of 2008, after the R160s were delivered to ENY, R42CIs were gone. It sucks though that the MTA never saved a single R42CI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INDman Posted December 11, 2009 Share #11 Posted December 11, 2009 It sucks though that the MTA never saved a single R42CI. There was no need. The Cease Pool by the Sea did a bad job with the "GOH" so why save a car that would require more maintenance once in the museum collection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRG Posted December 11, 2009 Share #12 Posted December 11, 2009 There was no need. The Cease Pool by the Sea did a bad job with the "GOH" so why save a car that would require more maintenance once in the museum collection. Why not though? They saved four Phase 2 R32s even though those retired first. There's a pair of GE Rebuilds at Floyd Bennett Field as well for other purposes than the museum but there's a chance that they may come back to NYCT property and be preserved as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INDman Posted December 11, 2009 Share #13 Posted December 11, 2009 Why not though? They saved four Phase 2 R32s even though those retired first. There's a pair of GE Rebuilds at Floyd Bennett Field as well for other purposes than the museum but there's a chance that they may come back to NYCT property and be preserved as well. The R32s at Floyd belong to the NYPD for training use at the ESU School, I don't think they will be coming back. What would NYCT give them in return, they serve a better purpose as training cars them they would sitting at CIY. But why have both a MK and CI rebuilt versions of the same car, the is no reason since yard space is limited. An the reason they saved a set of Phase 2 R32s, was because they were the first ones delivered, I think they were the lead set on the train from Sunnyside Yard to GCT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRG Posted December 11, 2009 Share #14 Posted December 11, 2009 The R32s at Floyd belong to the NYPD for training use at the ESU School, I don't think they will be coming back. What would NYCT give them in return, they serve a better purpose as training cars them they would sitting at CIY.But why have both a MK and CI rebuilt versions of the same car, the is no reason since yard space is limited. An the reason they saved a set of Phase 2 R32s, was because they were the first ones delivered, I think they were the lead set on the train from Sunnyside Yard to GCT. They were the lead pair to GCT. Anyways, The point I'm explaining is why did the MTA save four of the Phase 2s when they were the first of the R32s to be disposed of and none of the R42CIs which were the first to be disposed of as well. Whether a pair made the first run is irrelevant in this case because they didn't save the first 4454-4455, the first R42s in service. They didn't save the first R40 Slants that entered service either, and they didn't even save an R40A Slant. The MTA just randomly plucked a pair of cars to put into the museum. The fact that the MTA didn't save an R42CI is inexcusable. Yard space is not an excuse either because there are so many places where subway cars can be stored, and when the museum fleet grows, the MTA sure as hell can't scrap them because the RPC will step in and prevent that, just like what they did in the 1980s. In a few decades, the MTA will have no choice but to relocate their museum equipment with extra space, and may just as well build an exhibit solely for ALL museum fleet instead of swapping trains in and out of Court Street. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INDman Posted December 11, 2009 Share #15 Posted December 11, 2009 They were the lead pair to GCT. Anyways, The point I'm explaining is why did the MTA save four of the Phase 2s when they were the first of the R32s to be disposed of and none of the R42CIs which were the first to be disposed of as well. Whether a pair made the first run is irrelevant in this case because they didn't save the first 4454-4455, the first R42s in service. They didn't save the first R40 Slants that entered service either, and they didn't even save an R40A Slant. The MTA just randomly plucked a pair of cars to put into the museum. The fact that the MTA didn't save an R42CI is inexcusable. Yard space is not an excuse either because there are so many places where subway cars can be stored, and when the museum fleet grows, the MTA sure as hell can't scrap them because the RPC will step in and prevent that, just like what they did in the 1980s. In a few decades, the MTA will have no choice but to relocate their museum equipment with extra space, and may just as well build an exhibit solely for ALL museum fleet instead of swapping trains in and out of Court Street. RPC does not own or want to own any of the SMEEs that are being pulled from service right now. Also, they do not pick cars at random. They look for those with some historical value or cars that are in good condition. But hey, I'm just going off what I have been told by the people in charge of this stuff. And again, why do they need to have 2 of the EXACT same car? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted December 11, 2009 Share #16 Posted December 11, 2009 Agreed, the average person isn't going to notice the difference b/w the R42 types. I'd much rather they save the Willy B R40m-42 set [if it is still around] than an R42CI pair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nel070 Posted December 11, 2009 Share #17 Posted December 11, 2009 i think those cars could have lasted if they were stainless steel didnt see major problems with the 40-42s but the rusting they had the best a/c in the system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INDman Posted December 11, 2009 Share #18 Posted December 11, 2009 i think those cars could have lasted if they were stainless steel didnt see major problems with the 40-42s but the rusting they had the best a/c in the system But are you taking mechanical problems that can't be seen so easily in account? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric B Posted December 11, 2009 Share #19 Posted December 11, 2009 The CI and MK 42's were identical, except for the controller (and the CI NYAB or WH controller was garbage. The GE in the MK's is much better). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INDman Posted December 11, 2009 Share #20 Posted December 11, 2009 A bit of RT trivia, where did the pantagraph gates on the R42/40M come from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRG Posted December 11, 2009 Share #21 Posted December 11, 2009 RPC does not own or want to own any of the SMEEs that are being pulled from service right now.Also, they do not pick cars at random. They look for those with some historical value or cars that are in good condition. But hey, I'm just going off what I have been told by the people in charge of this stuff. And again, why do they need to have 2 of the EXACT same car? Wrong; RPC owns R32s 3350 and 3351. Despite the R42CI and the R42MK being the same car, they were rebuilt by two different overhaul companies and the significance of that alone is a reason why an R42CI should have been saved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INDman Posted December 11, 2009 Share #22 Posted December 11, 2009 Wrong; RPC owns R32s 3350 and 3351. Despite the R42CI and the R42MK being the same car, they were rebuilt by two different overhaul companies and the significance of that alone is a reason why an R42CI should have been saved. I thought the TA owned them. There not sitting with the rest of RPC's stuff. In any event, there is no need to waste yard space on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nel070 Posted December 11, 2009 Share #23 Posted December 11, 2009 But are you taking mechanical problems that can't be seen so easily in account? they were running fine when they were on the and (M)i dont know the exact mbdf on the 40-42s but i dont think they were bad cars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted December 11, 2009 Share #24 Posted December 11, 2009 I thought the TA owned them. There not sitting with the rest of RPC's stuff. In any event, there is no need to waste yard space on them. RPC does owns 3350-51, The NYCTM owns 3352-53. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted December 11, 2009 Share #25 Posted December 11, 2009 A train can run fine, but there could be hidden defects that aren't noticible except to those working on the trains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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