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Interesting HBLR info!


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Was poking around online & found even moar juicy tidbits on HBLR expansion etc:

 

http://www.railway-technology.com/projects/hudson/hudson1.html

 

Also, wow i never knew the overhead lines supplied DC 750 volt powah... I always thought it might be 1100 volt AC... This means those lines are safer if they touch ground, because instead of flopping al around, it will trip the breaker at the substation.... Hugely interesting! :eek:

 

- A

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That was the old Map of System plan they had. The southern portion still holds (except for the 5th Street station), but the northern portion after Tonnelle Avenue got kaput. Now that we have the Northern Line being pushed for, the old MOS 3 inspired most of it.

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5th ave looks not like a $$ doable idea, but the extension past west side ave looks good. I just wish they would allow deadheads to carry pax to richard st before popping into the yard. Waiting that long in the cold wind is for da boids. The extension to the north also looks good.

 

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The HBLR is cool and everything....but personally I think it could have been designed (operational wise) better...The Bayonne Segment from Liberty Park to 22nd St is cool...and so is the Tonnelle Ave Line....however the segment in Jersey City is painfully slow...extremely tight curves...trains stopping for cars...is very annoyin....if it wasn't for that...I would use it alot more often..instead of the 81X or 120

 

However..I do agree that the system has been an overall sucess...I hope they extend it to Secaucus Jct one day

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The HBLR is cool and everything....but personally I think it could have been designed (operational wise) better...The Bayonne Segment from Liberty Park to 22nd St is cool...and so is the Tonnelle Ave Line....however the segment in Jersey City is painfully slow...extremely tight curves...trains stopping for cars...is very annoyin....if it wasn't for that...I would use it alot more often..instead of the 81X or 120

 

However..I do agree that the system has been an overall sucess...I hope they extend it to Secaucus Jct one day

 

Well it's a quasi-streetcar style system. To have a totally grade separated route is impractical. I don't find that it has any issues at all, and is the fastest way from my girlfriend's house to hoboken terminal hands down.

 

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So NJT was thinking about a Bayonne West Fifth Street terminal, Jersey City Route 440 Park And Ride terminal and stations at 69th Street and 85th Street plus a Vince Lombardi Park And Ride terminal? There also was a 17th Street station considered for Hoboken/The Shades area of Weehawken.

 

A Bayonne West Fifth Street terminal would be interesting for that it would be near where the Bayonne Bridge begins and where the #10 and #99S begin on The Boulevard (West Third Street and John F. Kennedy Boulevard).

 

Looks like the line would have run between Tonnelle and West Side Avenues in North Bergen.

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So NJT was thinking about a Bayonne West Fifth Street terminal, Jersey City Route 440 Park And Ride terminal and stations at 69th Street and 85th Street plus a Vince Lombardi Park And Ride terminal? There also was a 17th Street station considered for Hoboken/The Shades area of Weehawken.

 

A Bayonne West Fifth Street terminal would be interesting for that it would be near where the Bayonne Bridge begins and where the #10 and #99S begin on The Boulevard (West Third Street and John F. Kennedy Boulevard).

 

They won't do a West 5th Street station because 8th Street already comes close, and plus it is quite close to the Bayonne Bridge already. The first exit from the bridge can lead you right up to the station.

 

Now the West Side Avenue line might just be extended to Route 440 because they were talking about it recently. Theres nothing that I thought was more stupid than that West Side Avenue station, putting that damn overpass killing any idea of extending the line, and now they want to do it. Apparently they want to send the line to as far as Society Hill, but we'll see when more interest grows.

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They won't do a West 5th Street station because 8th Street already comes close, and plus it is quite close to the Bayonne Bridge already. The first exit from the bridge can lead you right up to the station.

 

Now the West Side Avenue line might just be extended to Route 440 because they were talking about it recently. Theres nothing that I thought was more stupid than that West Side Avenue station, putting that damn overpass killing any idea of extending the line, and now they want to do it. Apparently they want to send the line to as far as Society Hill, but we'll see when more interest grows.

 

Just extend it to newark across the bay and be done with it. :cool: (i wish)

 

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Pablo, do you have an idea why 17th Street wasn't built? Could it have been the location on the Hoboken/Weehawken line? I see there has been development around the Port Imperial and Lincoln Harbor stations.

It's too close to Lincoln Harbor. Plus the station would end up being on a curve or directly under those Willow and Park Avenues overpasses. Now if it were up to me, I would've put the Lincoln Harbor station right at 19th Street.

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This may be a bit off topic but it is funny how that line used to be one of the most dangerous parts of the Conrail system, the older guys I know remember taking freights through there and having people hanging off the train, opening cars and stealing merchandise, the stories they tell make it seem as if they were hauling stuff through a war zone! It was so bad at one point trains would not move unless there was a police escort and even then people would still steal stuff.

 

ok enough of my rambalings :)

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