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Since everyone complains about how many loading and overcrowding problems there are on the (4)(5), do you think it would be a good idea to put four doors on each R142 car? Not sure if it would work, but still.

 

Now how would that happen?

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Ummmmm...put the doors closer together!:P

 

That makes less space for the seats. The 3 doors on the IRT cars are because of the length. If you wanted to extend the cars (On future orders), you would have to extend platforms and a whole lot of other stuff.

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I don't think it would work, unless you extended the platforms and made IRT trains 600 feet long (same width) or something...I'm not so sure on this one. I know there are cars in East Asia with 6 doors per side and they're similar length to our subway cars. It depends on how much the seating capacity is reduced, but capacity would go up either way since there's more room to stand and more people can fit if they stand.

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R62

 

http://images.nycsubway.org/cars/datasheet-r62.jpg

 

R62A

 

http://images.nycsubway.org/cars/datasheet-r62a.jpg

 

R142

 

http://images.nycsubway.org/cars/datasheet-r142.jpg

 

R142A

 

http://images.nycsubway.org/cars/datasheet-r142a.jpg

 

Just get over the fact that adding more doors to the trains isn't liable now. It won't work and will cause every single inch of IRT territory to be redone.

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It won't work and will cause every single inch of IRT territory to be redone.

 

How? From my measurements, the R142/As have enough extra space to fit at least one extra door per side. The new model could start from the R188, and i could have R110-like seating.

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I don't think that will help the overcrowding problems. The overcrowding isn't caused by a passenger flow problem. The overcrowding is due to having too many customers on the IRT lines. Adding another door won't help the number of people traveling.

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Lets start off of why this would fail:

 

(1)- You are killing even more seating space on the IRT Cars.

(2)- Passenger Flow is not really a big problem on the IRT no more.

(3)- Weren't the doors made wider on the R142/As. So i think that would work great.

 

(1)- The MTA is killing it on the R160s anyway.

(2)- Well, spreading passengers out more evenly never hurts.

(3)- Well, even with the widening, there's still more room.

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LOL.....im amazed by the drawings

R62 default line: (4)

R62A default line: (1)

R142 default line: (5)

R142A default line: (6)

 

Wow......But back to the topic, IRT (4)(5)(6) is fine the why it is - it doesnt need to 4-doors for any reason. That's the point of the "Second Ave Line" being built to IND/BMT standards - helping out the IRT (4)(5)(6) in general especially when the LIRR East Side Axcess is completed.

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That makes less space for the seats. The 3 doors on the IRT cars are because of the length. If you wanted to extend the cars (On future orders), you would have to extend platforms and a whole lot of other stuff.
Not to mention survey and retrofit every inch of the IRT to accomendate longer cars.Just like they did with the R44s for the BMT/IND lines.
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The simplest thing to do would be to run 12-car trains since there are parts of the system that's too sharp for anything longer than the 51' cars. Ideally the cars should be 60' long like the B division trains, but unless they make those changes the only thing that can be done is to add extra cars to the existing trains.

And I say 12-car trains so that every train would be 6-car sets so there won't be an issue about a 5-car train connected to another 5-car train = not enough for service or two 6-car trains = too long for service.

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I don't think that will help the overcrowding problems.

 

The overcrowding isn't caused by a passenger flow problem. The overcrowding is due to having too many customers on the IRT lines. Adding another door won't help the number of people traveling.

 

Just what I was going to say... Adding an extra set of doors on each side of a subway car doesn't ease the overcrowding along the Lex'... I wouldn't even call that a band-aid solution....

 

it's like adding more windows to a house that has problems with carbon monoxide.... it doesn't solve anything...

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