Forest Glen Posted February 3, 2010 Share #1 Posted February 3, 2010 Link, including two awesome pics http://mta.info/news/stories/?story=14 An MTA New York City Transit bus with three doors, low floor and a clean running engine sounds like something from the future, doesn't it? Well, the future has arrived on the Bx12 Select Bus Service route with the introduction of the first of 90 new easy-entry articulated buses. The first Novabus LFS articulated model is operating the SBS route between Bay Plaza (Co-op City) in the Bronx and 207th Street in Manhattan. With one-step on and one-step off, the bus' low-floor design is ideal for the heavy loading along Fordham Road and Pelham Parkway. Combined with off-board fare collection and the bus-only lanes developed and enforced in cooperation with City DOT and the NYPD, travel time is significantly reduced over the regular Bx12 crosstown service. Low-floor articulated buses are a major component of the MTA's plan to bring bus service into the 21st century for the more than 2.3 million people who depend upon it each day. The buses are part of a cooperative effort to create new bus-only lanes throughout the city and the development and expansion of the technology that will allow us to let our customers know when the next bus will arrive at the stop. "This is the perfect operation for a low-floor bus with three wide entry/exit doors," noted Joseph Smith, Senior Vice President, NYC Transit Department of Buses. "Our SBS service is designed to move large numbers of people quickly and efficiently. Adding one door and subtracting two steps helps to accomplish that." Manufactured in Plattsburgh, NY, the Novabus LFS articulated bus is 62 feet long bumper to bumper - two feet longer than the standard-length car used on lettered subway lines. Inside, there is room for 112 customers, 54 seated. Boasting corrosion-free outer skin panels and frame along with improved fuel economy from its clean diesel engine and smart transmission, this technically advanced bus is expected to cost less to operate and maintain during the course of its service life. Oh, and it has one more thing New York bus riders haven't seen in a while - a rear window. This is the first low floor bus that doesn't suck. When the weather gets warmer I'm heading down to Pelham Parkway and looking for this bus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted February 3, 2010 Share #2 Posted February 3, 2010 It's a lowfloor bus just like any other bus, what more do you expect from it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJC Posted February 3, 2010 Share #3 Posted February 3, 2010 ^^To do cart wheels?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queens Surface Posted February 3, 2010 Share #4 Posted February 3, 2010 I don't get what is so great about the Nova LFSA. As well as I do see a real need for that rear window. A D60LFR would be a better choice but since the has issues with New Flyer...we have to deal with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w8Hou Posted February 3, 2010 Share #5 Posted February 3, 2010 This is the first low floor bus that doesn't suck. When the weather gets warmer I'm heading down to Pelham Parkway and looking for this bus. Oh please, the only thing it sucks on is capacity. Less seats, less room, more standees, more headaches on the bus operator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lennyj17 Posted February 3, 2010 Share #6 Posted February 3, 2010 They should made all the seats facing inward from the window like the wheelchair seat... this would accomidate greater standing loads because of wider aisles. Best thing about this is the NF ARTICS can get moved to the outerboroughs that need them more, I guess BP is first on the list for displaced artics since the driver are already trained and ready to go. The one that slows the SBS is the waiting in the bus stops for people to pay and then board I've seen drivers wait eno's as people keep running up to the bus just to be told to get off and pay while the driver waits for them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRG Posted February 3, 2010 Share #7 Posted February 3, 2010 I can't wait to catch this bus in service. Is anyone certain that the bus will run on a weekend during this month? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rr4567 Posted February 3, 2010 Share #8 Posted February 3, 2010 Very interesting, but we could stiil do without new buses. The artics on the SBS are just fine, there's no need for the MTA to waste any money on unnecessary buses. The service, in my opinion, is (almost) flawless. And now, the article in German Ein MTA New York City Transit-Bus mit drei Türen, Niederflur-und eine saubere laufenden Motor klingt wie aus der Zukunft, nicht wahr? Nun hat der Future auf den Bus-Service Bx12 Wählen Sie Route mit der Einführung kamen die ersten von 90 neuen Easy-Entry-Gelenkbusse. Die erste Novabus LFS artikuliert Modell wird den Betrieb der Strecke zwischen SBS Bay Plaza (Co-op City) in der Bronx und der 207. Straße in Manhattan. Mit einer Schritt-für-Schritt-und einer aus, wird der Bus "Niederflur-Design für die schwere Belastung entlang Fordham Road und Pelham Parkway ideal. In Kombination mit Off-Board-Fahrgelderhebung und der Busspuren entwickelt und in Kooperation mit City DOT und des NYPD, Fahrtzeit durchgesetzt wird sich in den regelmäßigen Bx12 crosstown Dienst reduziert. Niederflur-Gelenkbusse sind ein wesentlicher Bestandteil des Plans der MTA auf Busse, die in das 21. Jahrhundert für die mehr als 2,3 Millionen Menschen, die ihm jeden Tag hängen zu bringen. Die Busse sind Teil einer gemeinsamen Anstrengung, um neue Bus-Spuren erstellen, die nur in der ganzen Stadt und die Entwicklung und den Ausbau der Technologie, die uns zu lassen, unsere Kunden wissen, wann der nächste Bus an der Haltestelle ankommen lassen wird. "Das ist die perfekte Operation für einen Niederflur-Bus mit drei breiten Eingangs-/Ausgangstüren", sagte Joseph Smith, Senior Vice President, New York City Transit Department of Buses. "Unsere SBS-Dienst ist so konzipiert, um große Anzahl von Menschen schnell und effizient zu bewegen. Hinzufügen einer Tür und subtrahieren zwei Schritten hilft, das zu vollbringen,." In Plattsburgh, NY, die Novabus LFS Hergestellt Gelenkbus ist 62 Meter lang Stoßstange an Stoßstange - zwei Meter länger als die Standard-Länge Auto auf der U-Bahn-Linien mit Buchstaben verwendet. Innen gibt es Platz für 112 Kunden, 54 sitzen. Prahlerei korrosionsfrei Außenhautteile und Rahmen zusammen mit einer verbesserten Kraftstoffverbrauch von seiner Clean-Diesel-Motor und Getriebe smart, diese technisch ausgereifte Bus wird erwartet, weniger zu bedienen und zu warten im Laufe seiner Lebensdauer Kosten. Oh, und es hat noch etwas New York Bus Fahrer haben eine Weile nicht gesehen - eine Heckscheibe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queens Surface Posted February 3, 2010 Share #9 Posted February 3, 2010 Oh please, the only thing it sucks on is capacity. Less seats, less room, more standees, more headaches on the bus operator. Well. this is the first articulated bus made by NovaBUS, so there are many things that could use fixing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.J. Posted February 3, 2010 Share #10 Posted February 3, 2010 Well. this is the first articulated bus made by NovaBUS, so there are many things that could use fixing. the design says that it is more roomy than any other articulated bus... but what i wanna know is how is that possible, since low floor buses dont have as much standing room as high floors. Me personally, would not be looking forward to a bus that oversells itself. Just because it's 2 feet longer than 60 feet, doesn't mean it's more roomy... especially, since it has a 3rd door.... that takes away space, not adds it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRG Posted February 3, 2010 Share #11 Posted February 3, 2010 Very interesting, but we could stiil do without new buses. And now, the article in German Ein MTA New York City Transit-Bus mit drei Türen, Niederflur-und eine saubere laufenden Motor klingt wie aus der Zukunft, nicht wahr? Nun hat der Future auf den Bus-Service Bx12 Wählen Sie Route mit der Einführung kamen die ersten von 90 neuen Easy-Entry-Gelenkbusse. Die erste Novabus LFS artikuliert Modell wird den Betrieb der Strecke zwischen SBS Bay Plaza (Co-op City) in der Bronx und der 207. Straße in Manhattan. Mit einer Schritt-für-Schritt-und einer aus, wird der Bus "Niederflur-Design für die schwere Belastung entlang Fordham Road und Pelham Parkway ideal. In Kombination mit Off-Board-Fahrgelderhebung und der Busspuren entwickelt und in Kooperation mit City DOT und des NYPD, Fahrtzeit durchgesetzt wird sich in den regelmäßigen Bx12 crosstown Dienst reduziert. Niederflur-Gelenkbusse sind ein wesentlicher Bestandteil des Plans der MTA auf Busse, die in das 21. Jahrhundert für die mehr als 2,3 Millionen Menschen, die ihm jeden Tag hängen zu bringen. Die Busse sind Teil einer gemeinsamen Anstrengung, um neue Bus-Spuren erstellen, die nur in der ganzen Stadt und die Entwicklung und den Ausbau der Technologie, die uns zu lassen, unsere Kunden wissen, wann der nächste Bus an der Haltestelle ankommen lassen wird. "Das ist die perfekte Operation für einen Niederflur-Bus mit drei breiten Eingangs-/Ausgangstüren", sagte Joseph Smith, Senior Vice President, New York City Transit Department of Buses. "Unsere SBS-Dienst ist so konzipiert, um große Anzahl von Menschen schnell und effizient zu bewegen. Hinzufügen einer Tür und subtrahieren zwei Schritten hilft, das zu vollbringen,." In Plattsburgh, NY, die Novabus LFS Hergestellt Gelenkbus ist 62 Meter lang Stoßstange an Stoßstange - zwei Meter länger als die Standard-Länge Auto auf der U-Bahn-Linien mit Buchstaben verwendet. Innen gibt es Platz für 112 Kunden, 54 sitzen. Prahlerei korrosionsfrei Außenhautteile und Rahmen zusammen mit einer verbesserten Kraftstoffverbrauch von seiner Clean-Diesel-Motor und Getriebe smart, diese technisch ausgereifte Bus wird erwartet, weniger zu bedienen und zu warten im Laufe seiner Lebensdauer Kosten. Oh, und es hat noch etwas New York Bus Fahrer haben eine Weile nicht gesehen - eine Heckscheibe. Lol! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Louis Car 09 Posted February 3, 2010 Share #12 Posted February 3, 2010 Very interesting, but we could stiil do without new buses. And now, the article in German Ein MTA New York City Transit-Bus mit drei Türen, Niederflur-und eine saubere laufenden Motor klingt wie aus der Zukunft, nicht wahr? Nun hat der Future auf den Bus-Service Bx12 Wählen Sie Route mit der Einführung kamen die ersten von 90 neuen Easy-Entry-Gelenkbusse. Die erste Novabus LFS artikuliert Modell wird den Betrieb der Strecke zwischen SBS Bay Plaza (Co-op City) in der Bronx und der 207. Straße in Manhattan. Mit einer Schritt-für-Schritt-und einer aus, wird der Bus "Niederflur-Design für die schwere Belastung entlang Fordham Road und Pelham Parkway ideal. In Kombination mit Off-Board-Fahrgelderhebung und der Busspuren entwickelt und in Kooperation mit City DOT und des NYPD, Fahrtzeit durchgesetzt wird sich in den regelmäßigen Bx12 crosstown Dienst reduziert. Niederflur-Gelenkbusse sind ein wesentlicher Bestandteil des Plans der MTA auf Busse, die in das 21. Jahrhundert für die mehr als 2,3 Millionen Menschen, die ihm jeden Tag hängen zu bringen. Die Busse sind Teil einer gemeinsamen Anstrengung, um neue Bus-Spuren erstellen, die nur in der ganzen Stadt und die Entwicklung und den Ausbau der Technologie, die uns zu lassen, unsere Kunden wissen, wann der nächste Bus an der Haltestelle ankommen lassen wird. "Das ist die perfekte Operation für einen Niederflur-Bus mit drei breiten Eingangs-/Ausgangstüren", sagte Joseph Smith, Senior Vice President, New York City Transit Department of Buses. "Unsere SBS-Dienst ist so konzipiert, um große Anzahl von Menschen schnell und effizient zu bewegen. Hinzufügen einer Tür und subtrahieren zwei Schritten hilft, das zu vollbringen,." In Plattsburgh, NY, die Novabus LFS Hergestellt Gelenkbus ist 62 Meter lang Stoßstange an Stoßstange - zwei Meter länger als die Standard-Länge Auto auf der U-Bahn-Linien mit Buchstaben verwendet. Innen gibt es Platz für 112 Kunden, 54 sitzen. Prahlerei korrosionsfrei Außenhautteile und Rahmen zusammen mit einer verbesserten Kraftstoffverbrauch von seiner Clean-Diesel-Motor und Getriebe smart, diese technisch ausgereifte Bus wird erwartet, weniger zu bedienen und zu warten im Laufe seiner Lebensdauer Kosten. Oh, und es hat noch etwas New York Bus Fahrer haben eine Weile nicht gesehen - eine Heckscheibe. rr4567 you never cease to amaze us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted February 3, 2010 Share #13 Posted February 3, 2010 Yeah more spam... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted February 3, 2010 Share #14 Posted February 3, 2010 Oh please, the only thing it sucks on is capacity. Less seats, less room, more standees, more headaches on the bus operator. And that's the reason why you don't want SBS on the Q60? :smh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rr4567 Posted February 3, 2010 Share #15 Posted February 3, 2010 Yeah more spam... No. If you read above it, I posted my feedback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w8Hou Posted February 3, 2010 Share #16 Posted February 3, 2010 And that's the reason why you don't want SBS on the Q60? :smh: No, go back to the other thread and read the damn reason. It does not have to do with the vehicles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted February 3, 2010 Share #17 Posted February 3, 2010 All I've seen is you are against it because you don't think it can take on the ridership from the subways. But I never said it was going to. Plus there are not as many crosstown lines in Queens that runs parallel to the subway, that's why it has to be the Q60. Your example of the M15 SBS and the Lexington line isn't the same because manhattan has several bus lines on nearly every street. M15 is already on 2nd Av and they don't need to turn the M101 into an SBS. And I somewhat agree about a limited service, but I still don't understand why you are so against SBS for the Q60. Are you afraid it'll mean less service for the local or something? Just asking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted February 3, 2010 Share #18 Posted February 3, 2010 No. If you read above it, I posted my feedback. Ok fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted February 3, 2010 Share #19 Posted February 3, 2010 I don't get what is so great about the Nova LFSA. As well as I do see a real need for that rear window. A D60LFR would be a better choice but since the has issues with New Flyer...we have to deal with it. What on earth do you mean by "we have to deal with it?", this was an EXCELLENT choice by the MTA to make the move over to NovaBus. If you compare NovaBus's Build & Strength quality with Orion, NABI & New Flyer, NovaBus would win that round hands down. They barely had any recalls with their LFS series, unlike the other manufacturers, NovaBus works on their buses until they are REALLY sure that things are set for delivery, unlike Orion, NABI & New Flyer where things just hit the fan. Well. this is the first articulated bus made by NovaBUS, so there are many things that could use fixing. The first production unit for the MTA to be more clear & precise. And with more coming our way, there might be some changes, who knows, this is the MTA we are talking about. We seen many changes within the NG delivery, maybe NovaBus might make some changes here and there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Bus Posted February 3, 2010 Share #20 Posted February 3, 2010 I look foward to riding these & looking out the back window Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w8Hou Posted February 4, 2010 Share #21 Posted February 4, 2010 All I've seen is you are against it because you don't think it can take on the ridership from the subways. But I never said it was going to. Plus there are not as many crosstown lines in Queens that runs parallel to the subway, that's why it has to be the Q60. Your example of the M15 SBS and the Lexington line isn't the same because manhattan has several bus lines on nearly every street. M15 is already on 2nd Av and they don't need to turn the M101 into an SBS. And I somewhat agree about a limited service, but I still don't understand why you are so against SBS for the Q60. Are you afraid it'll mean less service for the local or something? Just asking. No, M15 has its market on the far eastern side of Manhattan and there is huge ridership along the route. Unlike Q60 it does not fit into the criteria where it competes with the subways and the portion of Q32 along the route, plus half of the route is not even crowded unless the Subways mess up. Limited Stop would be better suited, put more short turns and ease up the headways along the route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queens Surface Posted February 4, 2010 Share #22 Posted February 4, 2010 What on earth do you mean by "we have to deal with it?", this was an EXCELLENT choice by the MTA to make the move over to NovaBus. If you compare NovaBus's Build & Strength quality with Orion, NABI & New Flyer, NovaBus would win that round hands down. They barely had any recalls with their LFS series, unlike the other manufacturers, NovaBus works on their buses until they are REALLY sure that things are set for delivery, unlike Orion, NABI & New Flyer where things just hit the fan. The first production unit for the MTA to be more clear & precise. And with more coming our way, there might be some changes, who knows, this is the MTA we are talking about. We seen many changes within the NG delivery, maybe NovaBus might make some changes here and there. uh..........ok, we will wait n see how this goes down with this NovaBUS order......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q43LTD Posted February 4, 2010 Share #23 Posted February 4, 2010 Oh please, the only thing it sucks on is capacity. Less seats, less room, more standees, more headaches on the bus operator. Have you ridden the old PBL RTS? Those thing barely had any room with those 2x2 seats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w8Hou Posted February 4, 2010 Share #24 Posted February 4, 2010 Have you ridden the old PBL RTS? Those thing barely had any room with those 2x2 seats Even worst, You should have gotten a chanced on riding a Nova RTS-06 bus with 2x2 coach seats that converted from Express to Local bus routes; seats are crap, standing room is abysmal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted February 4, 2010 Share #25 Posted February 4, 2010 Yes I've rode them when they were at Ulmer, thankfully not during rush hours or when the kids are out of school. But Q43LTD has a point, even those buses offered LESS space than a lowfloor bus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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