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I would make the 2/5 extend to either Kings Highway or Avenue U, and would build a Utica Avenue Subway from the A/C station. I would also make the 4 have a stop at Livonia Yard. Also, what serves the eastern part of the Lower East Side? This would be a chance to make the ''Avenue C Cuphandle''.

Also, is there a special relay track at 167th so terminating B trains don't interfere with D express service?

 

Let Me Answer those questions:

 

- I would extend the (2)/(5) to kings plaza instead.

- why?

- why????

- I don't know the (F)/(V)/(J)/(M)/(Z)= none of those trains serve Avenue C.

- there's no <(D)> express service anymore, only for (K) trains on weekends.

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Let Me Answer those questions:

 

- I would extend the (2)/(5) to kings plaza instead. Alright

- why? The B46 is the second most-used route after the M15, and is the most used route on the weekends.

- why????

- I don't know the (F)/(V)/(J)/(M)/(Z)= none of those trains serve Avenue C. I meant extend the T train from 14th Street.

- there's no <(D)> express service anymore, only for (K) trains on weekends.

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routes & times (Revised):

 

(A)(C)(E)-

(A)- all times between 242 street, the Bronx & far rockaway queens, express in Manhattan & Brooklyn all times but nights, night local.

(C)- all times but nights between 168 street, Manhattan/101 avenue, queens-local/ nights as a shuttle, between Euclid avenue, Brooklyn & 101 avenue, queens, connects with (A) for Manhattan at Euclid avenue.

(E)- all times between 188 street, queens/world trade center, Manhattan/ local in Manhattan/express in queens/ late nights all stops.

(K)- weekends between Bedford park boulevard, Bronx & world trade center Manhattan via central park west,8th avenue & concourse express, *note: trains stop at 155 street WHEN IT RUNS, to avoid delays at the 145 street lower level with terminating (:P trains on weekends.

 

(B)(D)(F)(V)-

(B)- all times but nights between 145 street, Manhattan & coney island Brooklyn, extended to 167 street-the Bronx, rush hours, no <(B)> is marked on maps, signs or trains. late nights between Pacific street & coney island in Brooklyn, connects with (D) at Atlantic-Pacific for Manhattan service.

(D)- all times between E 242 street, the Bronx & coney island in Brooklyn, local in Bronx & Brooklyn, express in Manhattan.

(F)- all times between 196 street, queens & coney island in Brooklyn. local in Manhattan & Brooklyn, express in queens via 63 street.

(V)- weekdays till 12:00 AM between 188 street, in queens to church avenue in Brooklyn, local in Manhattan & queens via 53 street & express in Brooklyn.

 

(N)(Q)(R)(W)-

(N)- all times between 174 street, the Bronx & coney island in Brooklyn, local in Bronx & queens/ via 60 street, express in Manhattan & Brooklyn, late nights all stops via lower Manhattan, peak direction trains run express in queens, marked by a <(N)> on trains, maps & signs.

(Q)- all times but nights between 125 street, Manhattan & coney island Brooklyn VIA BRIGHTON LINE!/ local in Brooklyn, express in Manhattan, nights no service. take (N) to 34th street for (D) service into Brooklyn.

(R)- all times but nights between 179 street-Jamaica, in queens & 100 street in Brooklyn, all local stops via 60 street/ late nights via shuttle between 100 street & 36 street in Brooklyn, connects with (N) .

(W)- weekdays till 11:45 PM between 174 street, the Bronx & Whitehall street, Manhattan/ all stops via 60 street.

 

(G)-

(G)- weekdays between court square, queens & 18 avenue, Brooklyn/ extended to 179 street in queens weekends & nights.

 

(T)-

(T)- all times between Fordham plaza, the Bronx & Grand street, Manhattan, local.

 

(J)(M)(Z)-

(J)- all times between 177 street, queens & broad street, Manhattan/ skip-stop rush hours (to/from Manhattan) all local stops other times.

(M)- weekdays between metropolitan avenue-queens & coney island -Brooklyn/local/weekends between metropolitan avenue, queens & canal street, Manhattan/ via the newly made "express" tracks & new platforms, but late nights cut to myrtle avenue, connects with at myrtle avenue for Manhattan service, Brooklyn, otherwise local

(Z)- same as the (J) , but express Myrle-Marcy avenues, but weekdays only!

 

(L)- all times between 23 street, Manhattan & Kings Plaza, Brooklyn/ local

 

(S)(Franklin avenue)- all times

 

(S)(rockaway park)- all times

 

AIRTRAIN 1- Between Lga Airport & Ditmars Blvd, connects with (N)+(W) trains for service into the city or the Bronx

AIRTRAIN 2- Between Jfk Airport & either to supthin Blvd or Howard Beach.

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more routes & times (Revised):

 

(1)(2)(3)-

(1)- all times between 251 street, the Bronx & south ferry in Manhattan/ local.

(2)- all times between 241 street, the Bronx, & Kings Plaza in Brooklyn, local in Bronx & Brooklyn, express in Manhattan/ late nights all stops.

(3)- all times but nights between 251 Street, the Bronx & utica avenue, in Brooklyn/ local in Bronx, express in Manhattan & Brooklyn / late nights between 168 street/ 34 street in Manhattan.

 

(4)(5)(6)/<6>(8)-

(4)- all times between 233 street, the Bronx & Logan Avenue in Brooklyn/ local in Bronx & Brooklyn/ express in Manhattan/ local nights.

(5)- all times but nights between dyre avenue, the Bronx & Kings Plaza, Brooklyn/ local in Bronx/ express in Manhattan & Brooklyn, late nights between dyre avenue, Bronx & grand central, Manhattan, local in Bronx/express in Manhattan.

(6)-all times between Co-op city, the Bronx & Brooklyn bridge-city hall/ local.

<6>- weekdays till 10:00 PM between parkchester- E 177 street & Brooklyn bridge-city. express in the Bronx/ local in Manhattan.

(8)- weekdays till 11:35 PM between gun hill road, Bronx & bowling green Manhattan/ local!!

 

(7)/<7>-

(7)- all times between 193 street, queens & 23 street, Manhattan/ local.

<7>- weekdays till 10:25 PM between 193 street, queens & 23 street, Manhattan/ local in Manhattan/ express in queens.

 

(S)(42 street)- all times but nights, nights take (7).

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fleet assignment (Revised):

 

8 avenue line-

(A)- R44, R160A, R32, R46, R42*

(C)- R46, R160B, R32, R42*

(E)- R44, R46, R160A, R32, R42*

(K)- R46, R68A, R160A/B, R40*

 

6 avenue line-

(:P- R68, R68A, R32, R160A, R40*

(D)- R68, R68A, R160B

(F)- R46, R32, R42*, R160A

(V)- R46, R42*, R40*, R160B

 

14 street/9th avenue/canarsie line-

(L)- R160A, R143

 

bway line-

(N)- R68, R160A/B

(Q)- R68, R68A, R160A/B

(R)- R46, R32, R42*, R160A, R40*

(W)- R68, R160A/B

 

Nassau street line-

(J)- R42*, R160A, R40*

(M)- R42*, R160A/B

(Z)- R42*, R160A, R40*

 

Brooklyn-queens crosstown line-

(G)- R46, R32, R42*, R160A

 

second avenue line-

(T)- R46, R68, R160A/B

 

shuttles-

(S)(rockaway park)- R32, R44

(S)(42 street)- R62

(S)(Franklin avenue)- R68, R68A

 

bway-7th avenue line-

(1)- R62, R62A, R142

(2)- R142, R142A

(3)- R62, R62A, R142

 

Lexington avenue line-

(4)- R142, R142A, R62

(5)- R142

(6)/<6>- R142, R142A

(8)- R142, R142A, R62

 

flushing/9th avenue line-

(7)/<7>- R142, R142A, R62A

 

*to be retired soon

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new map. version 4:

 

a new (X) line runs from Lga Airport, queens to Brighton beach, Brooklyn. express in Brooklyn, local in Manhattan & queens, peak direction <X> run express in queens. this train also replaces the old AIRTRAIN to Lga airport.

 

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car types: R160A/B, R68A

schedule: all times between Lga airport, queens to Brighton beach, Brooklyn, express in Brooklyn, local in Manhattan & queens. peak direction in queens is marked by a <> on trains, signs & maps.

 

also the (R) line is extended to Staten island, with the SIR.

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version 6:

- (T)/(Y) trains extended to gun hill rd.

- new (Y) trains run express between Fordham plaza, Bronx & 14 street, Manhattan.

- (L) trains extended from 23 street, deeper than the (7)/<7> line via 9th avenue to 57 street-7th avenue.

- (N)/(W) trains extended to E. 180 street

- <8> trains run express between E. 180 street & 3 avenue-149 street, rush hours only.

- (R) trains cut from Staten Island

- (W) trains now terminate at city hall lower level, the lower level has been renovated & rehabilitated

* well I think thats all, leave comments, concerns, opinions....

 

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Also how would you run the (N)/(W) on the (6) line? How would that fit? How would they even connect? 20th Ave at Ditmars Blvd is no where near Brook Ave in the Bronx!

In fact, the (N) would have to take a big detour, not link stright up to the Pelham line as the map suggests. The Astoria line extended straight up would probably connect to Parkchester.

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For the (Q) do mean it runs up Convent Ave? Morningside Ave ends at 125th St.

 

Also how would you run the (N)/(W) on the (6) line? How would that fit? How would they even connect? 20th Ave at Ditmars Blvd is no where near Brook Ave in the Bronx!

 

I think somebody asked him that question a while back and the answer was that they would be on separate tracks.

In my opinion, it is better to expand into new areas than to go pile lines one on top of the other (see below)

 

 

In fact, the (N) would have to take a big detour, not link stright up to the Pelham line as the map suggests. The Astoria line extended straight up would probably connect to Parkchester.

 

If it went completely straight, it would link up to Parkchester. If it was able to somehow merge onto the Hell Gate Bridge (if it were able to hold subway trains), it might be able to merge onto the Pelham Line at about 149th Street.

If it went straight up into the Bronx and went through Hunts Point, and then had a transfer station with the (6) at Whitlock Avenue before continuing up to the 180th Street station, that would allow it to serve a subway-less area, since there is the Bruckner Expressway that isolates it.

Censin, I think that the map that he got it off of (it looks like one of the ones from nycsubway.org) was one of those schematic maps that shows the boroughs, but isn't geographically correct. That map gives readers the impression that if 31st Street did continue, it would end up around Brook Avenue in the Bronx.

 

Also, I think it would be nice if there was (Z) express service on Jamaica Avenue instead of skip-stop service.

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In my opinion, it is better to expand into new areas than to go pile lines one on top of the other

 

That seems to be the thing most people are doing (piling on older lines). I agree that expanding into new territory is the best way to go (basically limitless possibilities!)

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routes & times (Revised):

 

(A)(C)(E)(K)-

(A)- all times between 242 street, the Bronx & far rockaway queens, express in Manhattan & Brooklyn all times but nights, night local.

(C)- all times but nights between 168 street, Manhattan/101 avenue, queens-local/ nights as a shuttle, between Euclid avenue, Brooklyn & 101 avenue, queens, connects with (A) for Manhattan at Euclid avenue.

(E)- all times between 188 street, queens/world trade center, Manhattan/ local in Manhattan/express in queens/ late nights all stops.

(K)- weekends between Bedford park boulevard, Bronx & world trade center Manhattan via central park west,8th avenue & concourse express, *note: trains stop at 155 street WHEN IT RUNS, to avoid delays at the 145 street lower level with terminating (;) trains on weekends.

 

(;)(D)(F)(V)-

(:)- all times but nights between 145 street, Manhattan & coney island Brooklyn, extended to 167 street-the Bronx, rush hours, no <(B)> is marked on maps, signs or trains. late nights between 145 street, Manhattan & coney island in Brooklyn, local in Manhattan (CPW), express 34 street, Manhattan & 36 street, Brooklyn via bridge.

(D)- all times between E 242 street, the Bronx & coney island in Brooklyn, local in Bronx & Brooklyn, express in Manhattan.

(F)- all times between 196 street, queens & coney island in Brooklyn. local in Manhattan & Brooklyn, express in queens via 63 street.

(V)- weekdays till 12:00 AM between 188 street, in queens to church avenue in Brooklyn, local in Manhattan & queens via 53 street & express in Brooklyn.

 

(N)(Q)(R)(W)(X)-

(N)- all times between 180 street, the Bronx & coney island in Brooklyn, local in Bronx & queens/ via 60 street, express in Manhattan & Brooklyn, late nights all stops via lower Manhattan, peak direction trains run express in queens, marked by a <(N)> on trains, maps & signs.

(Q)- all times but nights between 145 street, Manhattan & coney island Brooklyn VIA BRIGHTON LINE!/ local in Brooklyn, express in Manhattan, nights, between 145 street & 34 street Manhattan, trains skip 49 street!

(R)- all times but nights between 179 street-Jamaica, in queens & 100 street in Brooklyn, all local stops via 60 street/ late nights via shuttle between 100 street & 36 street in Brooklyn, connects with .

(W)- weekdays till 11:45 PM between 180 street, the Bronx & city hall, Manhattan/ all stops via 60 street.

(X)- all times between laguardia airport, queens & Brighton beach, Brooklyn. rush hours peak direction service in queens, trains marked as a <X>, local in queens & Manhattan, local in Brooklyn

 

(G)-

(G)- weekdays between court square, queens & 18 avenue, Brooklyn/ extended to 179 street in queens weekends & nights.

 

(T)(Y)-

(T)- all times between gun hill road, the Bronx & Grand street, Manhattan, local.

(Y)- weekdays between gun hill road, the Bronx & grand street, Manhattan, express

 

(J)(M2)(Z)-

(J)- all times between 177 street, queens & broad street, Manhattan/ skip-stop rush hours (to/from Manhattan) all local stops other times.

(M2)- weekdays between metropolitan avenue-queens & coney island -Brooklyn/local/weekends between metropolitan avenue, queens & canal street, Manhattan/ via the newly made "express" tracks & new platforms, but late nights cut to myrtle avenue, connects with at myrtle avenue for Manhattan service, Brooklyn, otherwise local

(Z)- same as the , but express Myrle-Marcy avenues, but weekdays only!

 

(L)- all times between 57 street-7th avenue, Manhattan & Kings Plaza, Brooklyn/ local

 

(S)(Franklin avenue)- all times

 

(S)(rockaway park)- all times

 

AIRTRAIN- Between Jfk Airport & either to supthin Blvd or Howard Beach.

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routes & times/REVISED!:

 

(1)(2)(3)-

(1)- all times between 251 street, the Bronx & south ferry in Manhattan/ local.

(2)- all times between 241 street, the Bronx, & Avenue J in Brooklyn, local in Bronx & Brooklyn, express in Manhattan/ late nights all stops.

(3)- all times but nights between 251 street, the Bronx & utica avenue, in Brooklyn/ express in Manhattan & Brooklyn/ late nights between 168 street/ 34 street in Manhattan.

 

(4)(5)(6)/<6>(8)-

(4)- all times between 233 street, the Bronx & new lots avenue in Brooklyn/ local in Bronx & Brooklyn/ express in Manhattan/ local nights, rush hours skips 138 street, marked as a <4>, on trains, signs & maps.

(5)- all times but nights between dyre avenue, the Bronx & avenue J. , Brooklyn/ local in Bronx/ express in Manhattan & Brooklyn, late nights between dyre avenue, Bronx & grand central, Manhattan, local in Bronx/express in Manhattan.

(6)-all times between co-op city, the Bronx & Brooklyn bridge-city hall/ local.

<6>- weekdays till 10:00 PM between parkchester- E 177 street & Brooklyn bridge-city. express in the Bronx/ local in Manhattan.

(8)- weekdays till 11:35 PM between gun hill road, Bronx & bowling green Manhattan/ local!!, rush hours, trains run express between 180 street & 3 avenue-149 street, marked as a <8> on trains, signs & maps.

 

(7)/<7>-

(7)- all times between 155 street, queens & 23 street, Manhattan/ local.

<7>- weekdays till 10:25 PM between 155 street, queens & 23 street, Manhattan/ local in Manhattan/ express in queens.

 

(S)(42 street)- all times but nights, nights take (7)

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fleet assignment/REVISED:

 

8 avenue line-

(A)- R44, R160A, R32, R46

(C)- R46, R160B, R32

(E)- R44, R46, R160A, R32

(K)- R160B

 

6 avenue line-

(;)- R68, R68A, R32, R160A

(D)- R68, R68A, R160B

(F)- R46, R32, R160A

(V)- R46

 

14 street/9th avenue/canarsie line-

(L)- R160A, R143

 

bway line-

(N)- R68, R160A/B

(Q)- R68, R68A, R160A/B

(R)- R46, R32, R160A

(W)- R68, R160A/B

(X)- R160A/B, R68A

 

Nassau street line-

(J)- R160A

(M2)- R160A/B

(Z)- R160A

 

Brooklyn-queens crosstown line-

(G)- R46, R160A

 

second avenue line-

(T)- R46, R68, R160A/B

(Y)- R46, R160B

 

shuttles-

(S)(rockaway park)- R32, R44

(S)(42 street)- R62

(S)(Franklin avenue)- R68, R68A

 

bway-7th avenue line-

(1)- R62, R62A, R142

(2)- R142, R142A

(3)- R62, R62A

 

Lexington avenue line-

(4)- R142, R142A, R62

<4>- R142, R142A

(5)- R142

(6)/<6>- R142, R142A

(8)- R142, R142A, R62

<8>- R142

 

flushing/9th avenue line-

(7)/<7>- R142, R142A, R62A

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I still think it's odd that the (G) and (F) would swap roles on either side of Forest Hills and that 18 Avenue would be used as a terminal.

 

well ill make the (G) run local & the (F) express after 71 to avoid delays. the 18th avenue problem, I will not do anything, sorry.

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