nel070 Posted February 13, 2010 Share #1 Posted February 13, 2010 I was on the train stuck between 67 ave and continental northbound and missed four to five express trains. I was wondering what do the members think is the worst place to terminate trains and relay them back. I say its 71st continental where there is always a bottleneck and cant handle relaying two train lines . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from Maspeth Posted February 13, 2010 Share #2 Posted February 13, 2010 I was on the train stuck between 67 ave and continental northbound and missed four to five express trains. I was wondering what do the members think is the worst place to terminate trains and relay them back. I say its 71st continental where there is always a bottleneck and cant handle relaying two train lines . I can't disagree in regard to Continental. It's especially problematic when a passenger refuses to detrain at that location. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTOMan Posted February 13, 2010 Share #3 Posted February 13, 2010 From what i seen operational wise Continental in the B Div... Utica Ave in the A Div like Bill said let one person dont feel like getting off the train... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NX Express Posted February 13, 2010 Share #4 Posted February 13, 2010 What about Jamaica Center ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from Maspeth Posted February 13, 2010 Share #5 Posted February 13, 2010 What about Jamaica Center ? In case you don't know: There is no physical connection between the E and the J/Z. They are 2 completely seperate, distinct railroads that have zero interaction with each other. The J/Z is on the lower level, the E is on the upper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2Line1291 Posted February 13, 2010 Share #6 Posted February 13, 2010 Brooklyn College-Flatbush (2)/(5) is one I can think of.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted February 13, 2010 Share #7 Posted February 13, 2010 Yes, even one time my 2 train waited till both the 2 and 5 trains pulled out of the station because someone didn't want the 2 train that I was on to return as a 5, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3348 Posted February 13, 2010 Share #8 Posted February 13, 2010 From what I've seen the worst terminal for relaying trains is Jamaica Center . The station can only relay 12TPH, and since the runs 15TPH it causes 3TPH to go to 179th St. during rush hours. The worst terminal for bottlenecking is Continental Ave., since and trains get backed up to as far as Woodhaven Blvd. going E/B. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from Maspeth Posted February 13, 2010 Share #9 Posted February 13, 2010 Yes, even one time my 2 train waited till both the 2 and 5 trains pulled out of the station because someone didn't want the 2 train that I was on to return as a 5, I guess. More likely to make sure that the 2's always leave from the same track and the 5's alway leave from the same track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted February 13, 2010 Share #10 Posted February 13, 2010 True, but I've been on 2 trains that pulled into the s/b track to leave as a 5 and vice versa. I didn't expect them to hold up 'traffic' just so the 2 can pull into the n/b track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted February 13, 2010 Share #11 Posted February 13, 2010 In my experience, Jamaica Center E level wins the B division award. Flatbush on the 2/5 is the worst in the A division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trainmaster5 Posted February 13, 2010 Share #12 Posted February 13, 2010 True, but I've been on 2 trains that pulled into the s/b track to leave as a 5 and vice versa. I didn't expect them to hold up 'traffic' just so the 2 can pull into the n/b track. Sometimes the inspection barn at 239 St yard , or East 180th St yard needs that particular train back ASAP so they can't be swapped off at Flatbush. Other times they may have swapped some trains earlier and must run that particular train as a or to even things out. Finally, that decision may be made by RCC, instead of the dispatcher at Flatbush Ave, because ultimately it's RCC controlling the switches at Flatbush Ave by the ATS system.That is why many railfans may love the computerized ATS system but all IRT train crews hate it. Sometimes technology sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted February 13, 2010 Share #13 Posted February 13, 2010 Ah, thanks for clearing that up. I see now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted February 13, 2010 Share #14 Posted February 13, 2010 I can't disagree in regard to Continental. It's especially problematic when a passenger refuses to detrain at that location. From what i seen operational wise Continental in the B Div... Utica Ave in the A Div like Bill said let one person dont feel like getting off the train... Just out of curiosity what typically happens when a passenger "refuses" to leave the train when it's going into non revenue track? Feel free to PM if need be, just curious... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INDman Posted February 13, 2010 Share #15 Posted February 13, 2010 I would say any place that a train needs to leave the station to relay since a passenger refusing to get off the train will try up the place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bveguy Posted February 13, 2010 Share #16 Posted February 13, 2010 Just out of curiosity what typically happens when a passenger "refuses" to leave the train when it's going into non revenue track? Feel free to PM if need be, just curious... Basically, the T/O and C/R get in trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INDman Posted February 13, 2010 Share #17 Posted February 13, 2010 Basically, the T/O and C/R get in trouble. No, you call it in and wait for the police to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted February 13, 2010 Share #18 Posted February 13, 2010 Basically, the T/O and C/R get in trouble. No that's not what I was asking. I know what happens if they take them into the relay and are discovered, but that wasn't my question. My post was directed at BfM and RTOMan since they are T/O's, and therefore would have firsthand knowledge of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from Maspeth Posted February 14, 2010 Share #19 Posted February 14, 2010 Just out of curiosity what typically happens when a passenger "refuses" to leave the train when it's going into non revenue track? Feel free to PM if need be, just curious... If all else fails----------summon police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trainmaster5 Posted February 14, 2010 Share #20 Posted February 14, 2010 Just out of curiosity what typically happens when a passenger "refuses" to leave the train when it's going into non revenue track? Feel free to PM if need be, just curious... I usually politely explain to them that what they're doing is screwing up service and inconveniencing the other passengers. Like Big Bubba and his cousin Bruno standing on the platform who are getting angrier by the minute. That works 80% of the time. If it doesn't I'll bring up the police option. That works about 15% of the time. If it's my last trip and the train is headed toward the yard I get up close and personal with the offender. I'll ask about their family life, immigration status, insurance policies ,etc. I'll ask about their religious convictions, ie. belief in God, Jesus, Allah, Buddha, whatever. I then point out how close they are to meeting the Divine One with my help. That works every time. So well that I sometimes wonder why I even bother with the first two options. This policy is NOT sanctioned by the , or NYCT , although quite a few NYPD watch me do this and like it. The proper response is to let NYPD handle it after calling it in to RCC and local supervision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from Maspeth Posted February 14, 2010 Share #21 Posted February 14, 2010 No that's not what I was asking. I know what happens if they take them into the relay and are discovered, but that wasn't my question. My post was directed at BfM and RTOMan since they are T/O's, and therefore would have firsthand knowledge of this. We tell them that the train will reverse direction and will come back to the station. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abba Posted February 14, 2010 Share #22 Posted February 14, 2010 I say utica ave during rush hours and Brooklyn college(2) and (5)are the worse bottlenecking places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex L. Posted February 14, 2010 Share #23 Posted February 14, 2010 Just out of curiosity what typically happens when a passenger "refuses" to leave the train when it's going into non revenue track? Feel free to PM if need be, just curious... Call for Police. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted February 14, 2010 Share #24 Posted February 14, 2010 Astoria-Ditmars on the Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from Maspeth Posted February 14, 2010 Share #25 Posted February 14, 2010 Yeah then wait for it to go through 6 wire and the sgt sitting at control to put it over to central dispatch, then wait for central dispatch to put it over, then wait for a cop to pick up the job, a whole process which usually takes on average 5-10mins for a cop to even pick up the job, let alone respond. Good, that's not the crews' problem tho! Better that than taking the passenger onto the relay. Suppose the guys pulls a cord down there and assaults the crew while reseting it? Suppose the train doesn't re-charge on the other end? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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