Deaks Posted February 27, 2010 Share #51 Posted February 27, 2010 It is why MTA cant sell these buses to the ta's or even to coach or private ops. MTA only chance is to sell it to a scrap dealer once they run the Vikings to death since they have very rare low mileage at this age (around 80K miles). Eighty thousand miles is a shockingly low figure for kit which appears to be suitable for longer distance use. What normally happens with oddballs like them is that some small outfit will pick them up cheap (as no-one else is interested) and use them on not too onerous duties, where there is a lot of down time for them to be 'mollycoddled'. 80k + plus what I would assume is a good maintenance regime means they're way too good for scrap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted February 27, 2010 Share #52 Posted February 27, 2010 Agreed, but it is also a shame they are wasted on just the X51. Perhaps maybe CP or LGA can find a use for them, since they are part of the MTA umbrella? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aemoreira81 Posted February 28, 2010 Share #53 Posted February 28, 2010 Agreed, but it is also a shame they are wasted on just the X51. Perhaps maybe CP or LGA can find a use for them, since they are part of the MTA umbrella? College Point could probably fit them, but they are oddballs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted February 28, 2010 Share #54 Posted February 28, 2010 Oddballs, they are, but at least CP would have routes that would be of better use for the Vikings than a useless partially used X51 line. O5s are good enough for the X51. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w8Hou Posted February 28, 2010 Share #55 Posted February 28, 2010 Agreed, but it is also a shame they are wasted on just the X51. Perhaps maybe CP or LGA can find a use for them, since they are part of the MTA umbrella? Why waste more money on that suggestion? Just let the Vikings run it to death at CS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted February 28, 2010 Share #56 Posted February 28, 2010 But you can run those buses to their deaths faster at CP on a more packed express bus line than a near empty one like the X51. Why give them a slow death? They are WASTED on the X51. Even O5s are more than enough for that line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3348 Posted February 28, 2010 Share #57 Posted February 28, 2010 Why waste more money on that suggestion? Just let the Vikings run it to death at CS On what express route? Both the X32 and the X51 are being slated for elimination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traildriver Posted February 28, 2010 Share #58 Posted February 28, 2010 For god shakes, follow the thread from the beginning. What transit agency would want to buy these used and very rare plus limited parts to maintain these oddball buses? Thank the MCI, Prevost, Van Hool, even Neoplan kill New Flyer's attempt in the OTR coach bus market. Stop think like a busfan that the transit agency have a will to use these buses. They dont take the risk like that. It is why MTA cant sell these buses to the ta's or even to coach or private ops. MTA only chance is to sell it to a scrap dealer once they run the Vikings to death since they have very rare low mileage at this age (around 80K miles). Houston wont even have all three MTA buses, they are starting to retired their Viking fleet. Thankyou, that was the best answer to this thread. I don't know much about these buses, but they look like a poor man's copy of an MCI D4500. Kind of reminds me of the buses that Neoplan used to build for companies like Denver's RTD...I believe it was called a "Metroliner". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w8Hou Posted February 28, 2010 Share #59 Posted February 28, 2010 But you can run those buses to their deaths faster at CP on a more packed express bus line than a near empty one like the X51. Why give them a slow death? They are WASTED on the X51. Even O5s are more than enough for that line. It will be wasted when you train the B/Os, mechanics out of CP to use the Vikings. Plus needs adjustments (ie, lifts, wash, etc) at the depot. BTW, when is the last time that the Vikings have a major overhaul? Never, still the original paint scheme. They are gonna died sooner since MTA really wanted the oddballs off the roster. 1 did go to storage, waiting for the 2 to put to sleep. On what express route? Both the X32 and the X51 are being slated for elimination. MTA is buffering. Look at the past service cuts. Some will cut, others probably not. They will probably reduced the service hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deaks Posted February 28, 2010 Share #60 Posted February 28, 2010 BTW, when is the last time that the Vikings have a major overhaul? Never, still the original paint scheme. A bus with 80,000 miles on it as you suggest is nowhere near needing an 'overhaul'. Ten time that? Maybe, and only if they haven't been looked after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from Maspeth Posted February 28, 2010 Share #61 Posted February 28, 2010 A bus with 80,000 miles on it as you suggest is nowhere near needing an 'overhaul'. Ten time that? Maybe, and only if they haven't been looked after. That's my contention with all NYCT express buses, yes the Vikings and the MCI's. Yes, we have some old MCI's from 1997. But really, how much mileage is on them? Sure they are all beat up because they spend most of their service time stuck in rush hour traffic, but still.........The bulk of them are used for a trip in the morning and a trip in the afternoon. So many (look at the schedules for example at UP), are used for an AM trip and aren't even needed in the afternoon. You have charter outfits, Greyhound & Peter Pan too for example, that can get more than a years worth of NYCT MCI mileage in just a month. And their MCI's are just as old if not older. I have a problem with this........NYCT maintance of MCI's SUCK big time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Louis Car 09 Posted February 28, 2010 Share #62 Posted February 28, 2010 Eighty thousand miles is a shockingly low figure for kit which appears to be suitable for longer distance use. What normally happens with oddballs like them is that some small outfit will pick them up cheap (as no-one else is interested) and use them on not too onerous duties, where there is a lot of down time for them to be 'mollycoddled'. 80k + plus what I would assume is a good maintenance regime means they're way too good for scrap. Not just good maintenance because of the fleet size,because they only run one route which isn`t enought to build up six-figure mileage numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted February 28, 2010 Share #63 Posted February 28, 2010 It will be wasted when you train the B/Os, mechanics out of CP to use the Vikings. Plus needs adjustments (ie, lifts, wash, etc) at the depot. They are gonna died sooner since MTA really wanted the oddballs off the roster. 1 did go to storage, waiting for the 2 to put to sleep. MTA is buffering. Look at the past service cuts. Some will cut, others probably not. They will probably reduced the service hours. Ok, good point there [about the training]. If they cut the X51, but keep the X32, I don't see why they would run the Viking on the X32. I still think either the Vikings should be moved or CS gets an express route from either CP or LGA. The unions should collaborate on trading lines b/w NYCT and MTA Bus. This separation is ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w8Hou Posted March 1, 2010 Share #64 Posted March 1, 2010 Ok, good point there [about the training]. If they cut the X51, but keep the X32, I don't see why they would run the Viking on the X32. I still think either the Vikings should be moved or CS gets an express route from either CP or LGA. The unions should collaborate on trading lines b/w NYCT and MTA Bus. This separation is ridiculous. It has been mention before... VIKINGS can NOT run on the x32 route because Bronx River Parkway clearance restrictions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Louis Car 09 Posted March 1, 2010 Share #65 Posted March 1, 2010 It has been mention before... VIKINGS can NOT run on the x32 route because Bronx River Parkway clearance restrictions w8Hou wins...........Fatality!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted March 1, 2010 Share #66 Posted March 1, 2010 It has been mention before... VIKINGS can NOT run on the x32 route because Bronx River Parkway clearance restrictions Ok, you don't have to shout. Yesh...:tdown: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w8Hou Posted March 1, 2010 Share #67 Posted March 1, 2010 Ok, you don't have to shout. Yesh...:tdown: thats not shouting, its a wake up call to read the post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3348 Posted March 4, 2010 Share #68 Posted March 4, 2010 Or in other words, shouting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w8Hou Posted March 4, 2010 Share #69 Posted March 4, 2010 Or in other words, shouting. You too late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3348 Posted March 4, 2010 Share #70 Posted March 4, 2010 Oh please, as if anyone could've been early in this case... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w8Hou Posted March 4, 2010 Share #71 Posted March 4, 2010 Oh please, as if anyone could've been early in this case... Yeah, my previous post does not have CAPS ON the entire time which its not shouting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted March 4, 2010 Share #72 Posted March 4, 2010 A regular 12 font and non underlined/bold sentence would've been enough. So excuse me if I didn't know about the X32 restrictions... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJC Posted March 7, 2010 Share #73 Posted March 7, 2010 didn't somebody said they couldn't run Orion 7 on the X 32? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric B Posted March 9, 2010 Share #74 Posted March 9, 2010 It has been mention before... VIKINGS can NOT run on the x32 route because Bronx River Parkway clearance restrictions Are the Vikings taller than the MC-8's? Because those on Liberty Lines ran on the parkway. (I imagine they probably are taller than those old coaches. Like I know the Prevost H's are too tall to clear the ceiling lights in some bays in Port Authority. Are the Vikings as tall as those?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w8Hou Posted March 9, 2010 Share #75 Posted March 9, 2010 Are the Vikings taller than the MC-8's? Because those on Liberty Lines ran on the parkway. (I imagine they probably are taller than those old coaches. Like I know the Prevost H's are too tall to clear the ceiling lights in some bays in Port Authority. Are the Vikings as tall as those?) Overall height: New Flyer Viking is at 12 feet and 1 inches Prevost H series is at 12 feet and 2 inches MCI D4500 is 11 feet and 5 inches MCI MC8 is 10 feet and 10 inches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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