R32 3348 Posted August 19, 2010 Author Share #276 Posted August 19, 2010 IMHO, Ulmer Park needs new buses more than FP does. They both could use a lot of new buses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T J Trainman Posted August 19, 2010 Share #277 Posted August 19, 2010 RTS for life.B) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted August 19, 2010 Share #278 Posted August 19, 2010 Meh...send them to Yukon. I'd rather ride an LFS than a NG heading home on the S79. Yukon already has a decent set of buses. They were 2nd in line to get new buses and I doubt they are in line to get anymore, anytime soon except for the possible express bus order. That only depends on whether or not the brakes are new. Keep in mind that the RTS is heavy, and hard on brakes. But the NG's can get loud too. It all depends on how long maintenance keeps an old set on before they replace them. But I could never ever get tired of riding the RTS! I agree, no bus can beat the VR-731 transmission and the history it holds! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoSpectacular Posted August 20, 2010 Share #279 Posted August 20, 2010 Nothing slips like a V-731 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted August 20, 2010 Share #280 Posted August 20, 2010 Wirelessly posted via (Mozilla/5.0 (Danger hiptop 4.0; U; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050920) They both could use a lot of new buses. The way I see it it should (I know it won't) be like this... 1. Ulmer Park 2. Fresh Pond 3. Queens Village 4. East New York Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted August 20, 2010 Share #281 Posted August 20, 2010 Wirelessly posted via (Mozilla/5.0 (Danger hiptop 4.0; U; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050920) The way I see it it should (I know it won't) be like this... 1. Ulmer Park 2. Fresh Pond 3. Queens Village 4. East New York Noooooooooooooo!!!!! More new buses at ENY means pushing the RTS' out. We're already down to about 130! I can't take it anymore!:cry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infamous85 Posted August 20, 2010 Share #282 Posted August 20, 2010 Noooooooooooooo!!!!! More new buses at ENY means pushing the RTS' out. We're already down to about 130! I can't take it anymore!:cry: ENY can have JAM's lol. I really like LFS's. I doubt JAM will get anything since it just got 70 NG's. However anything is possible since a number of depots still have 1994-96 buses. Ulmer Park & Queens Village should get next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R110B Posted August 20, 2010 Share #283 Posted August 20, 2010 ENY can have JAM's lol. I really like LFS's. I doubt JAM will get anything since it just got 70 NG's. However anything is possible since a number of depots still have 1994-96 buses. Ulmer Park & Fresh Pond & Queens Village should get next. Corrected! :tup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R110B Posted August 20, 2010 Share #284 Posted August 20, 2010 IMHO, Ulmer Park needs new buses more than FP does. Did i mention that "no" I said "Test" not "Recive" 1st Because Ulmer already tested the LFS and so did jfk and 126. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted August 20, 2010 Share #285 Posted August 20, 2010 ENY can have JAM's lol. I really like LFS's. I doubt JAM will get anything since it just got 70 NG's. However anything is possible since a number of depots still have 1994-96 buses. Ulmer Park & Queens Village should get next. They can bring them all over here then!! All the 1994, & 1995 buses are pretty much retired now. With the exception of about 90 Orions. And more than 80 of those are ex-Bee Line buses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3348 Posted August 22, 2010 Author Share #286 Posted August 22, 2010 Queens Village getting new buses would be bittersweet. They have some nice runs (Q46, Q88 IMO) that the RTS's really haul ass on. Well, either way they would still have RTS's after a delivery of new buses, so I guess all would be well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted August 22, 2010 Share #287 Posted August 22, 2010 Wirelessly posted via (Mozilla/5.0 (Danger hiptop 4.0; U; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050920) Noooooooooooooo!!!!! More new buses at ENY means pushing the RTS' out. We're already down to about 130! I can't take it anymore!:cry: Lmao that's why they're at the bottom of my list. They got 2 batches of OGs but still got a bunch of RTSs still clinging to life. The 4900s & 5000s there still got some time left in them but the others are looking at death in the face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R110B Posted August 22, 2010 Share #288 Posted August 22, 2010 Wirelessly posted via (Mozilla/5.0 (Danger hiptop 4.6; U; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050920) Wirelessly posted via (Mozilla/5.0 (Danger hiptop 4.0; U; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050920) Lmao that's why they're at the bottom of my list. They got 2 batches of OGs but still got a bunch of RTSs still clinging to life. The 4900s & 5000s there still got some time left in them but the others are looking at death in the face LolXD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted August 23, 2010 Share #289 Posted August 23, 2010 The Nova LFS demo, built to MTA specs will soon be ready to hit the streets of New York! Everybody get ready for a new era in New York City Transit History!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Louis Car 09 Posted August 23, 2010 Share #290 Posted August 23, 2010 The Nova LFS demo, built to MTA specs will soon be ready to hit the streets of New York! Everybody get ready for a new era in New York City Transit History!!Everyone get your camera ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLy Posted August 23, 2010 Share #291 Posted August 23, 2010 Everyone get your camera ready. Everyone out of NY, keep your eyes open for updates on NYCTF! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infamous85 Posted August 23, 2010 Share #292 Posted August 23, 2010 I've never seen so much bus activity, this may rival the PBL takeover. Jamaica Depot please lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Louis Car 09 Posted August 24, 2010 Share #293 Posted August 24, 2010 For real.This activity makes the subways seem pale.That is until the R179 and 188`s arrive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLy Posted August 30, 2010 Share #294 Posted August 30, 2010 I want to clear things up about MTA's LFS Artics. They are NOT equipped with the ZF EcoLife due to these following reasons: -The structure of the bus is not made for the EcoLife; EcoLife Novas have a different structure. -They are obviously have EPA 2007 Cummins due to this very BIG exhaust pipe; newer Novas with EcoLife have a "thinner" pipe and a shorter emission reducer. Here are some photos for comparison: EPA 2007 version pipe: http://www.ttmg.org/pages/nova/nymta-novaj.html (Click on any rear shot photos - TTMG) EPA 2010 version pipe: http://www.busdrawings.com/Transit/alberta/calgary/nova/8101-8140/140810-02457ct8101.jpg'>http://www.busdrawings.com/Transit/alberta/calgary/nova/8101-8140/140810-02457ct8101.jpg (Photo by Peter McLaughlin - http://www.busdrawings.com) Some of my drawings for the structure comparison (Please don't compare the rear, just the side. I modified the rear of my drawings many times to make it look real ): NYCMTA 1289 - ZF-6HP604C http://9083580754831056444-a-1802744773732722657-s-sites.googlegroups.com/site/alexanderbusdrawings2/nova-bus-lfs/1289.PNG?attachauth=ANoY7crAUcxUWyUujtcUHHzYWom_l8Euc5l1UwxsmBMVfwZS6YjlR_R3MzJLkJuAx-Jrs591frsXDj_wztxksX0Y3asueNasALQkezMFpSF__S0eYPxz5fMb2l4WaCaNOmuc1RBI_R4DX5KzgkYQAVXZi-96twrsQ65OKIdfcS3RW1J2VaZYswXGfLHTr2dGDLRNo5uGvFKT0Vbp-ZkqdQJ0BGrn1-Y9rzymIBjG8w1IX-0itNroMGM%3D&attredirects=0 Halifax Metro Transit - ZF EcoLife http://9083580754831056444-a-1802744773732722657-s-sites.googlegroups.com/site/alexanderbusdrawings2/nova-bus-lfs/Halifax%20722.PNG?attachauth=ANoY7cosIy-7LOA8_mzO2_p4m7brsfRn6VAHQtHR7VJchiY56QY5eVv8hX6TRev7uuChJbyf3HXqs0Uecz7rAjdpktWBf0-kt8HgAms5AcGFT83qitEGXS0j69cXIe4uI4LLgBjf04cuMduKO1httmtcKspsFSrIUlIRUaMF_Efc-7Br1I9DeJdxTaLhaRaTDjTax6EM5cXyjGpUNT8IB8DR6ffn9vXwh1wdEDaOl45K3vwKc4AgMyQ%3D&attredirects=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion Posted September 2, 2010 Share #295 Posted September 2, 2010 I want to clear things up about MTA's LFS Artics. They are NOT equipped with the ZF EcoLife due to these following reasons: -The structure of the bus is not made for the EcoLife; EcoLife Novas have a different structure. -They are obviously have EPA 2007 Cummins due to this very BIG exhaust pipe; newer Novas with EcoLife have a "thinner" pipe and a shorter emission reducer. Here are some photos for comparison: EPA 2007 version pipe: http://www.ttmg.org/pages/nova/nymta-novaj.html (Click on any rear shot photos - TTMG) EPA 2010 version pipe: http://www.busdrawings.com/Transit/alberta/calgary/nova/8101-8140/140810-02457ct8101.jpg'>http://www.busdrawings.com/Transit/alberta/calgary/nova/8101-8140/140810-02457ct8101.jpg (Photo by Peter McLaughlin - http://www.busdrawings.com) Some of my drawings for the structure comparison (Please don't compare the rear, just the side. I modified the rear of my drawings many times to make it look real ): NYCMTA 1289 - ZF-6HP604C http://9083580754831056444-a-1802744773732722657-s-sites.googlegroups.com/site/alexanderbusdrawings2/nova-bus-lfs/1289.PNG?attachauth=ANoY7crAUcxUWyUujtcUHHzYWom_l8Euc5l1UwxsmBMVfwZS6YjlR_R3MzJLkJuAx-Jrs591frsXDj_wztxksX0Y3asueNasALQkezMFpSF__S0eYPxz5fMb2l4WaCaNOmuc1RBI_R4DX5KzgkYQAVXZi-96twrsQ65OKIdfcS3RW1J2VaZYswXGfLHTr2dGDLRNo5uGvFKT0Vbp-ZkqdQJ0BGrn1-Y9rzymIBjG8w1IX-0itNroMGM%3D&attredirects=0 Halifax Metro Transit - ZF EcoLife http://9083580754831056444-a-1802744773732722657-s-sites.googlegroups.com/site/alexanderbusdrawings2/nova-bus-lfs/Halifax%20722.PNG?attachauth=ANoY7cosIy-7LOA8_mzO2_p4m7brsfRn6VAHQtHR7VJchiY56QY5eVv8hX6TRev7uuChJbyf3HXqs0Uecz7rAjdpktWBf0-kt8HgAms5AcGFT83qitEGXS0j69cXIe4uI4LLgBjf04cuMduKO1httmtcKspsFSrIUlIRUaMF_Efc-7Br1I9DeJdxTaLhaRaTDjTax6EM5cXyjGpUNT8IB8DR6ffn9vXwh1wdEDaOl45K3vwKc4AgMyQ%3D&attredirects=0 No they are EcoLife, they have been set up differently so they sound similar to the Ecomat. Either way it's Cummins and ZF. MTA has been toying around with the transmissions, especially the 128x. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RokuSix Posted September 2, 2010 Share #296 Posted September 2, 2010 Why would they not have Eco Life? I'm no expert, but a bus that touts environmentalism should go all the way, in all its parts and making. That's how you market a bus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Sith Posted September 2, 2010 Share #297 Posted September 2, 2010 I want to clear things up about MTA's LFS Artics. They are NOT equipped with the ZF EcoLife due to these following reasons: -The structure of the bus is not made for the EcoLife; EcoLife Novas have a different structure. -They are obviously have EPA 2007 Cummins due to this very BIG exhaust pipe; newer Novas with EcoLife have a "thinner" pipe and a shorter emission reducer. Here are some photos for comparison: EPA 2007 version pipe: http://www.ttmg.org/pages/nova/nymta-novaj.html (Click on any rear shot photos - TTMG) EPA 2010 version pipe: http://www.busdrawings.com/Transit/alberta/calgary/nova/8101-8140/140810-02457ct8101.jpg'>http://www.busdrawings.com/Transit/alberta/calgary/nova/8101-8140/140810-02457ct8101.jpg (Photo by Peter McLaughlin - http://www.busdrawings.com) Some of my drawings for the structure comparison (Please don't compare the rear, just the side. I modified the rear of my drawings many times to make it look real ): NYCMTA 1289 - ZF-6HP604C http://9083580754831056444-a-1802744773732722657-s-sites.googlegroups.com/site/alexanderbusdrawings2/nova-bus-lfs/1289.PNG?attachauth=ANoY7crAUcxUWyUujtcUHHzYWom_l8Euc5l1UwxsmBMVfwZS6YjlR_R3MzJLkJuAx-Jrs591frsXDj_wztxksX0Y3asueNasALQkezMFpSF__S0eYPxz5fMb2l4WaCaNOmuc1RBI_R4DX5KzgkYQAVXZi-96twrsQ65OKIdfcS3RW1J2VaZYswXGfLHTr2dGDLRNo5uGvFKT0Vbp-ZkqdQJ0BGrn1-Y9rzymIBjG8w1IX-0itNroMGM%3D&attredirects=0 Halifax Metro Transit - ZF EcoLife http://9083580754831056444-a-1802744773732722657-s-sites.googlegroups.com/site/alexanderbusdrawings2/nova-bus-lfs/Halifax%20722.PNG?attachauth=ANoY7cosIy-7LOA8_mzO2_p4m7brsfRn6VAHQtHR7VJchiY56QY5eVv8hX6TRev7uuChJbyf3HXqs0Uecz7rAjdpktWBf0-kt8HgAms5AcGFT83qitEGXS0j69cXIe4uI4LLgBjf04cuMduKO1httmtcKspsFSrIUlIRUaMF_Efc-7Br1I9DeJdxTaLhaRaTDjTax6EM5cXyjGpUNT8IB8DR6ffn9vXwh1wdEDaOl45K3vwKc4AgMyQ%3D&attredirects=0 WRONG! These buses ARE equipped with Cummins/ZF Ecolife. The buses you just showed us are spec'd differently to the other buses. Our buses were based on the LFX look, the ones you just showed us are not even close to ours. This does have a ZF Ecolife. Voith & Allison transmissions have different sounds setup & gear ratios to them and there's no way we'd have a bus with a Voith Transmission, Allison Transmissions on the LFS series sounds more different compared to other buses. And for your information, ZF gearboxes, especially with the Eco-Life are smaller so they can be built perfectly into these buses. Even on one of NovaBus's releases & MTA's releases from a while back stated that these buses were mated with a ZF Eco-life transmission. LEGIT PROOF seen here seen here 2010 NovaBus LFS Artic from Société de transport de Montréal (STM) with Cummins ISL & ZF. OUR 2010 Novabus LFS Articulateds with close to the same transmission An LFS Articulated with a Voith Transmission on the outside And now one with a ZF Feel free to let me make you look more dumb that you already sound, not all buses are the same you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NovaBus 5121 Posted September 2, 2010 Share #298 Posted September 2, 2010 Does anybody know the top speed of these artics? (Whether it is new york, the rest of the country or canada). Are these buses governed at the typical 40 mph? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaimlerBuses Posted September 2, 2010 Share #299 Posted September 2, 2010 WRONG! These buses ARE equipped with Cummins/ZF Ecolife. The buses you just showed us are spec'd differently to the other buses. Our buses were based on the LFX look, the ones you just showed us are not even close to ours. This does have a ZF Ecolife. Voith & Allison transmissions have different sounds setup & gear ratios to them and there's no way we'd have a bus with a Voith Transmission, Allison Transmissions on the LFS series sounds more different compared to other buses. And for your information, ZF gearboxes, especially with the Eco-Life are smaller so they can be built perfectly into these buses. Even on one of NovaBus's releases & MTA's releases from a while back stated that these buses were mated with a ZF Eco-life transmission. Not joining the debate about what transmissions they have, but a little note.... Please know what exactly you are comparing when making an argument. What you just compared is a supposed Ecolife equipped Nova (MTA artic) to a non Ecolife equipped Nova (STM Artic - EPA 2007 so they use 6HP604) claiming they sound the same. I'm rather curious what you think the difference is mechanically between a LFS and a LFX, as you seem to imply in your reply. They look different on the outside, but they are identical mechanically. Last, I don't know what you were trying to prove by comparing against Voith and Allison, or if you just mistook what AlexLy was trying to say, that they could have ZF but not the Ecolife. It's not the best to go by sounds, because there are too many factors that can affect it - vehicle configuration, operating condition, etc. Quite frankly, this debate is getting tiring. What exactly have we proven other than speculation and hearsay? What exactly is posting bus drawings going to prove in the context (AlexLy) Do we really have nothing better to do than fight over a transmission? And a few general notes. Just because a press release says something does not mean it's true. Just because a bus was built in 2010 does not mean it is EPA 2010 compliant. Any bus that is more than 50% complete before August 1, 2010 can be built under the EPA 2007 design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexLy Posted September 3, 2010 Share #300 Posted September 3, 2010 Not joining the debate about what transmissions they have, but a little note.... Please know what exactly you are comparing when making an argument. What you just compared is a supposed Ecolife equipped Nova (MTA artic) to a non Ecolife equipped Nova (STM Artic - EPA 2007 so they use 6HP604) claiming they sound the same. I'm rather curious what you think the difference is mechanically between a LFS and a LFX, as you seem to imply in your reply. They look different on the outside, but they are identical mechanically. Last, I don't know what you were trying to prove by comparing against Voith and Allison, or if you just mistook what AlexLy was trying to say, that they could have ZF but not the Ecolife. It's not the best to go by sounds, because there are too many factors that can affect it - vehicle configuration, operating condition, etc. Quite frankly, this debate is getting tiring. What exactly have we proven other than speculation and hearsay? What exactly is posting bus drawings going to prove in the context (AlexLy) Do we really have nothing better to do than fight over a transmission? And a few general notes. Just because a press release says something does not mean it's true. Just because a bus was built in 2010 does not mean it is EPA 2010 compliant. Any bus that is more than 50% complete before August 1, 2010 can be built under the EPA 2007 design. Quote 1: I never compared the sound. Quote 2: I'll try to ask someone that has already posted a photo of a real LFSA with ZF EcoLife (I'm talking about the structure). Quote 3: That's one of the reasons why I posted about MTA's LFSA's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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