No Love for the soon to be dead W line?

[nel070]

Well if it really wasn't needed, then why was it kept? The only reason the is being eliminated is because it's coming down to the wire with money. If the thought that keeping the after the completion of the Manhattan Bridge work wasn't necessary, then it would've been gone then. The picks up it's share of riders IMO.

 

It was kept because of political pressure you dont need two subway lines for five stops that's a luxury. Yes i have seen the Astoria lines in the morning used to work by 39th ave and with increased service a second line is not needed.

[LRG]

Sorry, that was to nel saying that Astoria doesn't need two lines, whatever they are. I used to reverse commute up there and I did not want to be on the other side that time of day.

 

Oh, no worries then.

[NX Express]

It was kept because of political pressure you dont need two subway lines for five stops that's a luxury. Yes i have seen the Astoria lines in the morning used to work by 39th ave and with increased service a second line is not needed.

 

But there is no increased service!

[nel070]

The was created as a result of the Manhattan Bridge north side closures, and instead of resurrecting the Yellow or , they used the and had the signs updated so they would have the circle reading instead of the diamond.

 

Did the ( or(D) run on Broadway no, As a matter of fact Broadway had only two lines the and pre bridge construction because the ran sixth ave and Broadway didnt have any express servce at all. Now at least Broadway will still have some express service with the .

[nel070]

The was created as a result of the Manhattan Bridge north side closures, and instead of resurrecting the Yellow or , they used the and had the signs updated so they would have the circle reading instead of the diamond.

 

 

 

No, it won't. The runs 10TPH at the height of the rush hour and the runs 9 (8 during the a.m. rush) for a total of 19 trains. The Q alone won't be able to pick up the slack for all the riders who use it as the and trains are packed during rush hours.

 

 

 

Read the above reply (second from the top in this post). And on a further note:

 

How

will

this

help

express

riders

who

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have

only

one

train

route

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the

rush

compared

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the

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two

which

both

carry

a

lot

of

people

?

 

 

 

The runs 15 TPH during the height of the rush hour is why. On the latter note, I'd like to hear concrete evidence that supports your claim that the was being eliminated after the bridge repairs.

 

The was a temporary line set up specifically for the bridge construction in 2001 and was going to be eliminated until the politcians and Astoria riders wanted a one seat local down broadway and at the time the MTA was operating without financial problems and could afford the luxury of the .

[nel070]

But there is no increased service!

 

Because the is going to Ditmars

[LRG]

But there is no increased service!

 

Thank you, he doesn't get it.

 

The was created as a result of the Manhattan Bridge north side closures, and instead of resurrecting the Yellow or , they used the and had the signs updated so they would have the circle reading instead of the diamond.

 

Um...WHAT did they use??

 

Did the or(D) run on Broadway no, As a matter of fact Broadway had only two lines the and pre bridge construction because the ran sixth ave and Broadway didnt have any express servce at all. Now at least Broadway will still have some express service with the .

 

There were instances during the late 1980s into the mid-1990s where the Broadway Line had the , , , AND . The ran weekdays only and was skip-stop with the yellow in Brooklyn due to Brighton Line reconstruction at the time; both lines terminated at 57th Street in Manhattan. The Yellow ran to Queensboro Plaza during midday hours, and was extended to Astoria during rush hours; it ran to 57th Street during evenings and weekends and was cut back to 36th Street in Brooklyn at night. The Yellow , and ran over the bridge while the and used the tunnel.

 

When the south side of the bridge closed, THEN express service ceased, and the and the did the job as being the only two Broadway lines serving the corridor. The MTA didn't bother to shift either line to the express tracks north of Canal Street because the line needed all the service it could get, even the local stations, so they were both local.

[LRG]

The was a temporary line set up specifically for the bridge construction in 2001 and was going to be eliminated until the politcians and Astoria riders wanted a one seat local down broadway and at the time the MTA was operating without financial problems and could afford the luxury of the .

 

Can I please get concrete proff?

[NX Express]

The was a temporary line set up specifically for the bridge construction in 2001 and was going to be eliminated until the politcians and Astoria riders wanted a one seat local down broadway and at the time the MTA was operating without financial problems and could afford the luxury of the .

 

How come such a luxury is jam-packed?

[nel070]

Thank you, he doesn't get it.

 

 

 

Um...WHAT did they use??

 

 

 

There were instances during the late 1980s into the mid-1990s where the Broadway Line had the , , , AND . The ran weekdays only and was skip-stop with the yellow in Brooklyn due to Brighton Line reconstruction at the time; both lines terminated at 57th Street in Manhattan. The Yellow ran to Queensboro Plaza during midday hours, and was extended to Astoria during rush hours; it ran to 57th Street during evenings and weekends and was cut back to 36th Street in Brooklyn at night. The Yellow , and ran over the bridge while the and used the tunnel.

 

When the south side of the bridge closed, THEN express service ceased, and the and the did the job as being the only two Broadway lines serving the corridor. The MTA didn't bother to shift either line to the express tracks north of Canal Street because the line needed all the service it could get, even the local stations, so they were both local.

 

those instances were during GOS and not permanent. The and were the permanent lines that used Broadway during the late 80s and 90s.

[nel070]

How come such a luxury is jam-packed?

 

The is not jam packed thats incorrect .

[SmallParkShuttle]

The was created as a result of the Manhattan Bridge north side closures, and instead of resurrecting the Yellow or , they used the and had the signs updated so they would have the circle reading instead of the diamond.

 

Did the or(D) run on Broadway no, As a matter of fact Broadway had only two lines the and pre bridge construction because the ran sixth ave and Broadway didnt have any express servce at all. Now at least Broadway will still have some express service with the .

 

Times have changed, and there have been commuting shifts and development due to Sept. 11, which forced business development outside of Lower Manhattan into areas like midtown and b-way between 14 and 34 Sts (which still is somewhat a shady area), and service changes by major projects, like the Manhattan Bridge rehab. Before they found a crack on the bridge, the (Q6) was and served Broadway. Shifts in populations causes shifts in demand, which causes shifts in service.

 

Long Island City and western Queens saw a big construction boom in the past decade. Service is needed there. The Astoria line is the only line that serves the neighborhoods up to a half-mile to the west of it. Times change, and this city's rapid transit system has been deficient since the first subway line opened in 1904.

[NX Express]

The is not jam packed thats incorrect .

Then how come SmallParkShuttle says it is? He's a liar?

[LRG]

The is not jam packed thats incorrect .

 

I have taken the W and although it's not jam-packed per se, don't be bent upon finding a seat cuz that ain't happening.

[LRG]

Then how come SmallParkShuttle says it is? He's a liar?

 

No, SPS is entirely correct.

[NX Express]

No, SPS is entirely correct.

 

So it's nel that's wrong!

[LRG]

Times have changed, and there have been commuting shifts and development due to Sept. 11, which forced business development outside of Lower Manhattan into areas like midtown and b-way between 14 and 34 Sts (which still is somewhat a shady area), and service changes by major projects, like the Manhattan Bridge rehab. Before they found a crack on the bridge, the (Q6) was and served Broadway. Shifts in populations causes shifts in demand, which causes shifts in service.

 

Long Island City and western Queens saw a big construction boom in the past decade. Service is needed there. The Astoria line is the only line that serves the neighborhoods up to a half-mile to the west of it. Times change, and this city's rapid transit system has been deficient since the first subway line opened in 1904.

 

Great post. I'm 100% behind your standpoints.

 

So it's nel that's wrong!

 

Yep, wrong as usual B)

[SmallParkShuttle]

Honest to goodness, I didn't realize how much of a gem the Broadway line was until I got to ride the express a few years ago. I am going to miss the .

[nel070]

Times have changed, and there have been commuting shifts and development due to Sept. 11, which forced business development outside of Lower Manhattan into areas like midtown and b-way between 14 and 34 Sts (which still is somewhat a shady area), and service changes by major projects, like the Manhattan Bridge rehab. Before they found a crack on the bridge, the (Q6) was and served Broadway. Shifts in populations causes shifts in demand, which causes shifts in service.

 

Long Island City and western Queens saw a big construction boom in the past decade. Service is needed there. The Astoria line is the only line that serves the neighborhoods up to a half-mile to the west of it. Times change, and this city's rapid transit system has been deficient since the first subway line opened in 1904.

 

The argument of keeping the is mute because they are sending the train to Ditmars so Astoria will still have two lines. Although the terminal Ditmars cant handle two lines.

[LRG]

The argument of keeping the is mute because they are sending the train to Ditmars so Astoria will still have two lines. Although the terminal Ditmars cant handle two lines.

 

With the 160s, they could send out the train that came in as an out as a so the train can be cleaned out properly and so no signs would have to be changed. So the Astoria terminal can handle two lines.

 

And you're missing the point. Local service would remain roughly the same if you have and train but what about the sole ? There'll be reduced express service along the Broadway Line. You'll only have the train, which only runs 9-10 TPH at the height of the rush, compared to the combination of Broadway express service at the moment which as 18-19.

 

Like I said, the reason why the can get by is because it runs 15 TPH during the height of the rush.

[nel070]

Broadway can get by with one express with the because you still have the as a semi express on broadway because its still skipping city hall, courtlandt, rector and whitehall. In effect broadway has twp express trains still.

[NX Express]

Broadway can get by with one express with the because you still have the as a semi express on broadway because its still skipping city hall, courtlandt, rector and whitehall. In effect broadway has twp express trains still.

 

What about Prince, 8th, 23rd, 28th, and 49th??? It's not an express!!!

[nel070]

What about Prince, 8th, 23rd, 28th, and 49th??? It's not an express!!!

 

That's why i said semi-express and those are heavily used local stations that demand two trains and they will get that with the and .

[LRG]

Broadway can get by with one express with the because you still have the as a semi express on broadway because its still skipping city hall, courtlandt, rector and whitehall. In effect broadway has two

express trains still.

 

So what about during rush hours when the is the ONLY route that is serving Lower Manhattan? Bypassing Lower Manhattan does NOT justify the route as an express any way; the is billed as a Broadway Local on weekends despite the fact that it runs via the Bridge. Regardless, it is still a local.

 

What about Prince, 8th, 23rd, 28th, and 49th??? It's not an express!!!

 

Like I said, he doesn't get it.

[GojiMet86]

I ride the ,, and all the time. The does get quite full, especially after Astoria Blvd. Removing it would be a bad idea. However the is going to be sent there, so I guess it will make up for it.