Dirtiest and Cleanest R160 subway cars

[VIP 800]

I normally do Not post threads but i felt this would be an interesting topic to discuss. i noticed Jamaica's R160s are Normally dirty on the Exterior, however spotless in the interior. ENY's R160's Are Spotless these days, and i must say im impressed, however the interior is filthy. CIY's R160's Are all Dirty but clean on the inside. hmm... i thought Coney Island had a car wash, as well as the Jamaica yard. why are their trains so dirty? ENY doesnt have a car wash but their trains are still looking brand new on the exterior.

i dont know what yard is cleaning the (M2) trains, but that yard is doing a fantastic job. if jamaica cleans their and® R160 trains, it seems as though crew just merely hoses them down. Coney islands and(W) trains seem to be dirty and it seems like the R68's get cleaned only. when R160's are dirty its VERY easy to see it and its not appealing.

[Y2Julio 206]

why are their trains so dirty?

 

Because of passengers. The MTA can only do so much. At the end of the day, blame your fellow passengers.

[LRG 217]

East New York handles the , , and ; Coney Island has the , and (those lines use the NTTs while the ( and Franklin don't); and Jamaica handles the , and (in terms of NTTs). The way I see it, East New York keeps their R160s running fine AND looking fine as well, both inside and out. The blame is on the Jamaica Line passengers who litter on the train but East New York keeps their 160s looking spotless and in good running order. The 160s at Coney Island are good maintenance-wise and are kept in good working order but on the outside they look like crap. And Jamaica...oh boy. Jamaica Yard is like a junk yard. I'm sorry but it's more of a slap in the face for the riders who have to look at a 160 that looks like crap on the outside whereas a 32's and 46's outsides looked fine. Last summer, I endured a ride on a hot ass 160 on the . Recently, I endured having to hear a 160 from Jamaica with screeching brakes, and it was terrible. Too many cars is inexcusable for not maintaining their cars properly...it's pathetic that Jamaica has to lay their trains up on the express tracks on weekends and late nights.

 

Jamaica has a car wash too, and that's the sad part, if you ask me! Canarsie yard (a satellite of East New York) has a car wash too, and so does Concourse.

[Railfaner100 0]

Does the Coney Island yard has their own car wash for the R160s that operate on the lines?

[LRG 217]

Does the Coney Island yard has their own car wash for the R160s that operate on the lines?

 

I doubt it...I think CI cars go to Concourse to get a wash down.

[NX Express 292]

Jamaica Yard is like a junk yard. I'm sorry but it's more of a slap in the face for the riders who have to look at a 160 that looks like crap on the outside whereas a 32's and 46's outsides looked fine. Last summer, I endured a ride on a hot ass 160 on the . Recently, I endured having to hear a 160 from Jamaica with screeching brakes, and it was terrible. Too many cars is inexcusable for not maintaining their cars properly...it's pathetic that Jamaica has to lay their trains up on the express tracks on weekends and late nights.

 

That's just because it's overcrowded! There are more trains than yard space/car washes, so it can't maintain all the cars well. Only solution is to share the between Jamaica and CI, which will empty a bit after the elimination.

[VIP 800]

 

Because of passengers. The MTA can only do so much. At the end of the day, blame your fellow passengers.

i blame crew members, why? because the outside of the cars where the control cabs are have coffee stains on the outside (window frame). pay attention to most of Jamaica's R160's you'll see. secondly i want to know what the hell are those brown stains at the ends of the R160 cars? i first noticed them on the lines but now most of them are fadding out or completely cleaned off. and then i noticed the brown stains on the lines, and now the lines have the brown stains at the ends or lead motor cars. (looks like brown water stains, slightly above the wheel and stains the 1st double doors) must get these cars clean, they look 11 yrs old already.:mad:

[NX Express 292]

i blame crew members, why? because the outside of the cars where the cabs are have coffee stains on the outside window frame. pay attention to most of Jamaica's R160's you'll see. secondly i want to know what the hell are those brown stains at the ends of the R160 cars? i noticed them on the lines and then i noticed them on the lines, and now the lines have the brown stains at the ends or lead motor cars. (looks like brown water stains, slightly above the wheel and stains the 1st double doors @ the bottom) must get these cars clean, they look 11 yrs old already.:mad:

 

How would coffee get on the OUTSIDE frame?

[S78 via Hylan 1,087]

Because of passengers. The MTA can only do so much. At the end of the day, blame your fellow passengers.

 

In other words, we as the city is the reason.

[VIP 800]

How would coffee get on the OUTSIDE frame?

 

by tossing out coffee from the cab. duh:confused:

[KTrainExp 16]

Those aren't coffee stains.

 

There's a reason why Coney Island trains look dirtier. It's because they run over a whole bunch of crap on the open cut sections. Rain mixed with dirt falls off the edges of the ROW and some of that crap gets on the trains. If it's raining that's even worse because there's dirt all over the place.

 

If R160s were running on strictly underground or elevated lines like the Jamaica and ENY trains, then they'd be less exposed to weathering and dirt and stuff.

 

As for trash, a train doesn't magically produce trash, so blame it on the people.

[NX Express 292]

Those aren't coffee stains.

 

There's a reason why Coney Island trains look dirtier. It's because they run over a whole bunch of crap on the open cut sections. Rain mixed with dirt falls off the edges of the ROW and some of that crap gets on the trains. If it's raining that's even worse because there's dirt all over the place.

 

If R160s were running on strictly underground or elevated lines like the Jamaica and ENY trains, then they'd be less exposed to weathering and dirt and stuff.

 

As for trash, a train doesn't magically produce trash, so blame it on the people.

IAWTP. Thanks!

 

by tossing out coffee from the cab. duh:confused:

Who does that? You?

[Railfaner100 0]

How come nowadays i am seeing alot of R160s on the (M2) and lines getting graffiti on the cars?

[GojiMet86 4,984]

On the R - 160s that run on Broadway, I've noticed how one half of the entire train tends to have yellower windows, while the other half tends to have cleaner windows. Has anyone noticed this?

[nel070 0]

I think many of 160s run on outside lines and the inclement weather has kept them dirty on the outside with the record amount of rain in March and the inside many passengers are just pigs and dont clean up after themselves on the train eating all kinds of foods and just dropping all over the floor or leaving the debris on the floor. Today i was on a 160 train that had a homeless couple who had spread food all over the floor and had pissed all over themselves that had hit the floor and trickled down the car.

[R32 3348 11]

That's just because it's overcrowded! There are more trains than yard space/car washes, so it can't maintain all the cars well. Only solution is to share the between Jamaica and CI, which will empty a bit after the elimination.

When Jamaica loses the they will lose 15 trains, which will free up tons of space within the yard. That along with sending the to CI can be the solution to Jamaica Yard's overcrowding problem.

i blame crew members, why? because the outside of the cars where the control cabs are have coffee stains on the outside (window frame). pay attention to most of Jamaica's R160's you'll see. secondly i want to know what the hell are those brown stains at the ends of the R160 cars? i first noticed them on the lines but now most of them are fadding out or completely cleaned off. and then i noticed the brown stains on the lines, and now the lines have the brown stains at the ends or lead motor cars. (looks like brown water stains, slightly above the wheel and stains the 1st double doors) must get these cars clean, they look 11 yrs old already.:mad:

Those are not coffee stains. First of all the window in the front is not openable. Even if coffee stains existed on the trains it would be on the side window. Those stains are caused by rain mixed with other dirt collecting at the roofs of the trains and dripping along the sides.

Those aren't coffee stains.

 

There's a reason why Coney Island trains look dirtier. It's because they run over a whole bunch of crap on the open cut sections. Rain mixed with dirt falls off the edges of the ROW and some of that crap gets on the trains. If it's raining that's even worse because there's dirt all over the place.

 

If R160s were running on strictly underground or elevated lines like the Jamaica and ENY trains, then they'd be less exposed to weathering and dirt and stuff.

 

As for trash, a train doesn't magically produce trash, so blame it on the people.

Actually it's the opposite. Aside from maintenance issues, the Jamaica R160s () are much dirtier on the exterior than the R160s at other yards because of the amount of time they spend underground. There is tons of steel dust underground that just collects on the bodies of these trains. CI trains () are also underground for a large portion of the line, which is why their exteriors are also dirty. ENY lines, with the exception of the (which is irrelevant since it runs mostly R143s) are almost all elevated which is why almost no steel dust collects on the bodies of the cars. Of course, yard space and maintenance also comes into play with overcrowded yards such as Jamaica.

How come nowadays i am seeing alot of R160s on the (M2) and lines getting graffiti on the cars?

The same reason you see graffiti on every other train.

[KTrainExp 16]

Actually it's the opposite. Aside from maintenance issues, the Jamaica R160s () are much dirtier on the exterior than the R160s at other yards because of the amount of time they spend underground. There is tons of steel dust underground that just collects on the bodies of these trains. CI trains () are also underground for a large portion of the line, which is why their exteriors are also dirty. ENY lines, with the exception of the (which is irrelevant since it runs mostly R143s) are almost all elevated which is why almost no steel dust collects on the bodies of the cars. Of course, yard space and maintenance also comes into play with overcrowded yards such as Jamaica.

 

The R160s on the and (Doesn't matter because they're shared by Coney Island), are absolutely disgusting. I haven't seen that kind of a mess on any train car regardless if it's a SMEE or NTT. Steel dust collecting on the subway (which happens on all subway cars) is its own problems, but those stains DO NOT come from accumulation of steel dust. If you run your finger across a "Clean spot (no black marks and stuff)" along any train that is build out of some sort of steel (R32-NTT) you will find that your finger turns dark black. That is true steel dust.

[dustclee 0]

The R160s on the and (Doesn't matter because they're shared by Coney Island), are absolutely disgusting. I haven't seen that kind of a mess on any train car regardless if it's a SMEE or NTT. Steel dust collecting on the subway (which happens on all subway cars) is its own problems, but those stains DO NOT come from accumulation of steel dust. If you run your finger across a "Clean spot (no black marks and stuff)" along any train that is build out of some sort of steel (R32-NTT) you will find that your finger turns dark black. That is true steel dust.

 

Interiors are terrible as well. There's ALWAYS some kind of stains on the seats, and there's a certain unpleasant smell on these trains that I don't smell on the 160's from the other yards.

[LRG 217]

The R160s on the and (Doesn't matter because they're shared by Coney Island), are absolutely disgusting. I haven't seen that kind of a mess on any train car regardless if it's a SMEE or NTT. Steel dust collecting on the subway (which happens on all subway cars) is its own problems, but those stains DO NOT come from accumulation of steel dust. If you run your finger across a "Clean spot (no black marks and stuff)" along any train that is build out of some sort of steel (R32-NTT) you will find that your finger turns dark black. That is true steel dust.

 

R32 3348 is absolutely right though. However, another reason the trains look so dirty also has to do with the finish on the steel outside of the train. The R32s-R68As look less dirty because of the different finish of the exteriors than the R142s-R160s.

[38th Street Yard 0]

yes CI has a wash but they use water only they have the M trains that lay-up in CIY go to all the other yard like ENY 207 and concourse. they leave the yard around 11 and then come back at 1 or 2pm

[Fresh Pond 5,371]

there are many factors to why cars are so dirty including weather, passengers, the type of environment where the train runs and regular yard maintenance. ENY does not have a wash (and neither does the Fresh Pond satelite yard) so the (M2) equipment all use Canarsie. Coney Island does have a wash, you'll notice it better on a passing train after Coney Island.

 

And I'm starting to get tired of people bashing Jamaica in terms of maintenance. Their equipment is just as filthy as any other yard. It seems like people like to over-hype it for some reason. They have too many cars and not enough space so not all cars are gonna get cleaned as quickly as the other yards do. Hopefully when this whole (M)/(G)/(V) fiasco gets settled, they might have more space...HOPEFULLY

[R44 CNG 473]

I normally do Not post threads but i felt this would be an interesting topic to discuss. i noticed Jamaica's R160s are Normally dirty on the Exterior, however spotless in the interior. ENY's R160's Are Spotless these days, and i must say im impressed, however the interior is filthy. CIY's R160's Are all Dirty but clean on the inside. hmm... i thought Coney Island had a car wash, as well as the Jamaica yard. why are their trains so dirty? ENY doesnt have a car wash but their trains are still looking brand new on the exterior.

i dont know what yard is cleaning the (M2) trains, but that yard is doing a fantastic job. if jamaica cleans their and® R160 trains, it seems as though crew just merely hoses them down. Coney islands and(W) trains seem to be dirty and it seems like the R68's get cleaned only. when R160's are dirty its VERY easy to see it and its not appealing.

 

I have a vid of one of the cleanest R160 on the and

[LRG 217]

there are many factors to why cars are so dirty including weather, passengers, the type of environment where the train runs and regular yard maintenance. ENY does not have a wash (and neither does the Fresh Pond satelite yard) so the (M2) equipment all use Canarsie. Coney Island does have a wash, you'll notice it better on a passing train after Coney Island.

 

And I'm starting to get tired of people bashing Jamaica in terms of maintenance. Their equipment is just as filthy as any other yard. It seems like people like to over-hype it for some reason. They have too many cars and not enough space so not all cars are gonna get cleaned as quickly as the other yards do. Hopefully when this whole (M)/(G)/(V) fiasco gets settled, they might have more space...HOPEFULLY

 

But it's inexcusable. They can't even hold all the trains they have, meaning that many of their trains that would be due for inspection or servicing miss it. Then they get dirty as hell on the outside, as if someone smeared shit all over it, and their trains get broken down A/C.

 

Jamaica Yard is a junk yard. Bottom line.

[Fresh Pond 5,371]

But it's inexcusable. They can't even hold all the trains they have, meaning that many of their trains that would be due for inspection or servicing miss it. Then they get dirty as hell on the outside, as if someone smeared shit all over it, and their trains get broken down A/C.

 

Jamaica Yard is a junk yard. Bottom line.

 

But its not completely their fault. The & are 2 of the busiest lines in the entire city so all those cars are necessary. All of them can't fit into the yard so that's why they get stored on the Queens Bl express tracks and naturally, some things are gonna get overlooked like regular cleaning and scheduled maintenance. If they expanded the yard, maybe none of this wouldn't happen. But since that can't happen and the closest thing they have to expansion is the (M)/(V) combo and the leaving, they're just gonna have to make due with whatever space they have

[LRG 217]

But its not completely their fault. The & are 2 of the busiest lines in the entire city so all those cars are necessary.

 

I see where you're getting at but when the A/C breaks down in those cars then you'll have riders griping about them, just like how a certain group of riders griped about them just because of A/C.

 

All of them can't fit into the yard so that's why they get stored on the Queens Bl express tracks and naturally, some things are gonna get overlooked like regular cleaning and scheduled maintenance.

 

That's still inexcusable. Just because the yard is too small doesn't mean that the trains should be overlooked when it comes to their condition. Not to mention that those cars that use the express tracks as their "yard space" could very well be hit by vandals.

 

If they expanded the yard, maybe none of this wouldn't happen. But since that can't happen and the closest thing they have to expansion is the (M)/(V) combo and the leaving, they're just gonna have to make due with whatever space they have.

 

Even when the was introduced the yard was still burdened with too many cars. The yard most likely even gained a few R32s so those trains could run on the and the full-length when the was shortened to half-length. The used to have 8-car R32s and 6-car R46s, so when the came about, the lost its R32s, went half length, gave their R32s to the , and the gave its 46s to the . Around this time the R143s came in which kinda solved the B Division car shortage it experienced for a decade when the R30s retired in 1993. Case in point, Jamaica's lack of maintenance goes way back to the 70s when the R10s were at Jamaica.