Jump to content

China Is Eager to Bring High-Speed Rail Expertise to the U.S.


NX Express

Recommended Posts

Nearly 150 years after American railroads brought in thousands of Chinese laborers to build rail lines across the West, China is poised once again to play a role in American rail construction. But this time, it would be an entirely different role: supplying the technology, equipment and engineers to build high-speed rail lines.

 

The Chinese government has signed cooperation agreements with the State of California and General Electric to help build such lines. The agreements, both of which are preliminary, show China’s desire to become a big exporter and licensor of bullet trains traveling 215 miles an hour, an environmentally friendly technology in which China has raced past the United States in the last few years.

 

“We are the most advanced in many fields, and we are willing to share with the United States,” Zheng Jian, the chief planner and director of high-speed rail at China’s railway ministry, said.

 

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger of California has closely followed progress in the discussions with China and hopes to come here later this year for talks with rail ministry officials, said David Crane, the governor’s special adviser for jobs and economic growth, and a board member of the California High Speed Rail Authority......

See more at:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/04/08/business/global/08rail.html?pagewanted=1&ref=us

08rail1-articleLarge.jpg

The site of a high-speed rail project in east China, which has a reputation for building lines quickly and inexpensively.

Link to comment
Share on other sites


Don't forget, any imported trainsets must be modified to meet FRA requirements, and doing so would significantly increase the weight of the train. Increased weight means decreased speed.

 

I read in Trains Magazine once that the French engineers who designed the Acela and were at the FRA test track called it "a pig", because it was so heavy.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

on behalf of Americans everywhere f*** you China for continuing to try and take money from our country with those damn trade deficits.

 

If America was smart, they'd start paying off the Chinese debt then put a full on EMBARGO on all Chinese trade until those a**holes tell North Korea to go to hell, THEN consider allowing trade again but only on OUR TERMS.

 

US shouldn't be importing s*** from them. Don't we still have problems with cyanide paint on toys and drywall in southern states? Wouldn't be too far of a stretch to find out these trains contain "the magic mineral" or some other surprise...

Link to comment
Share on other sites

on behalf of Americans everywhere f*** you China for continuing to try and take money from our country with those damn trade deficits.

 

If America was smart, they'd start paying off the Chinese debt then put a full on EMBARGO on all Chinese trade until those a**holes tell North Korea to go to hell, THEN consider allowing trade again but only on OUR TERMS.

 

US shouldn't be importing s*** from them. Don't we still have problems with cyanide paint on toys and drywall in southern states? Wouldn't be too far of a stretch to find out these trains contain "the magic mineral" or some other surprise...

 

American jobs are created the second the railroad line is built. Think about it. The second they're done with building the high speed line, developments will grow, and more people will use trains than planes.

 

Since they offer quick and STABLE construction, this is California's hope of building a fast and stable railroad line. It also says that 80% of the construction would come from American products.

 

And if China took a massive shortcut that ended up with a train derailing, then how come Italy, France, and all of those great countries out there interested in this?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Its about time.The Acela is played out now.

 

Yeah, it shouldn't have to share tracks with regular trains. Doesn't a trip take like 7 hours? Whereas a flight from Boston to DC is like an hour long.

 

They'd get so much business since HSR is wanted all over the country. If its fast, cheap, & safe at the same time then why not. The US helps other countries a lot and it so much has expertise in a lot of areas but HSR isn't really one of them so what's wrong with this country taking some help from others.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

American jobs are created the second the railroad line is built. Think about it. The second they're done with building the high speed line, developments will grow, and more people will use trains than planes.

 

Since they offer quick and STABLE construction, this is California's hope of building a fast and stable railroad line. It also says that 80% of the construction would come from American products.

 

And if China took a massive shortcut that ended up with a train derailing, then how come Italy, France, and all of those great countries out there interested in this?

 

That's right. I forgot. Everyone here knows economics better than the person who actually studied economics and worked in it. Here's a very simple fact. Countries are economic entities like people. They have money. When you take money and you send it to another economic entity, like another person, or another country, you now have LESS money than you did before.

 

When you have to BORROW to SPEND that money in the first place, that is even worse than losing money.

 

When you are already in debt to the very entity you are sending the money to, and you rely on them to borrow the very money you are going to spend, then you are absolutely 100% DEPENDENT on them and that is the worst of all.

 

When you are dependent on another country THEY OWN YOU.

 

The US relies on China to borrow money, has a massive portion of the national deficit specifically TO china, AND runs a trade deficit EVERY MONTH to China that dwarfs all other countries. That is the Triple Crown of Shit right there.

 

No matter how many jobs it creates, at the end of the day if you are sending massive amounts of money out of the country which we have been for the better part of the last two decades, YOU LOSE.

 

That is a simple economic fact and no amount of PR spin, supposed "jobs" creation, or borrow and spend changes ANY of that.

 

You create more jobs using American companies and American technologies to build this. You also keep American wealth in America by doing so.

 

Watch the cost of living TRIPLE in the next 20-30 years if this does not change, with no relief in sight. It's a sad fact, but a fact nonetheless.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Don't forget, any imported trainsets must be modified to meet FRA requirements, and doing so would significantly increase the weight of the train. Increased weight means decreased speed.

 

I read in Trains Magazine once that the French engineers who designed the Acela and were at the FRA test track called it "a pig", because it was so heavy.

Ican`t stand the FRA.They are the reason why Acela is riding on old rickety as freight tracks,and why It doesn`t go any faster than 150.:mad:
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Don't forget, any imported trainsets must be modified to meet FRA requirements, and doing so would significantly increase the weight of the train. Increased weight means decreased speed.

 

I read in Trains Magazine once that the French engineers who designed the Acela and were at the FRA test track called it "a pig", because it was so heavy.

 

Could have been called worse, like being called a hippo.........

 

Will those new chinese trains have free lead based paint toys for kids to play with?

 

No, it will have lead based paint inside and outside the real thing, for all of us to play with.................

 

 

Nonetheless, we do need true high speed rail here in the USA. Then we can decrease the use on Jet fuel. We will need more power plants though, so get rid of one problem, and create another. Only if those new HSR trains could run on solar power. Oh wait they can, but there is no profit in that.............

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I hate China. Big human rights abusers that they are. Ugh. Not to mention we owe them like, shitloads of money.

 

If you want expertise on high speed rail, Japan or France or S. Korea is way to go. S. Korea is slowly establishing their name on building locomotives.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I love how we Americans are SO scared of China because everything is made there.

Oh well, too bad, now you know how they felt.

 

I don't give a shit how they felt..that's their problem not mine and certainly not America's. Do we give a shit how the Taliban or Al Qaeda feel? All are threats to the US whether those here want to believe it or not. The proof in the pudding is whether leaders react accordingly to safeguard our interests or whether they continue to play lapdog to foreign powers.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Sounds ass-backwards to me.

 

GE is an American company. Why the **** would we export American technology designed by an American company to another country, only to bring the final results back over here? If that doesn't have "ECONOMIC BAD IDEA" written all over it, I don't know what does.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I hate China. Big human rights abusers that they are. Ugh. Not to mention we owe them like, shitloads of money.

 

If you want expertise on high speed rail, Japan or France or S. Korea is way to go. S. Korea is slowly establishing their name on building locomotives.

I'd like to throw this: please remember that NYCTF is a public forum and that there are people who are reading this who are of Chinese descent or is from China. There is no need to use the word "hate" just because it is the US's biggest creditor and that it makes almost every non-food item in our markets. The point of this thread is to discuss Chinese participation into building the high speed rail line. Please use your words carefully next time.

 

I believe that America is capable of building its own sh*t. We were pioneers 150 years ago with railroading technology, why should we let that slip? We don't need some other country to teach us how to build a HSR line: we do the research, we look at what others have done and we improve. All you need is public support and support from Washington and dough.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I'd like to throw this: please remember that NYCTF is a public forum and that there are people who are reading this who are of Chinese descent or is from China. There is no need to use the word "hate" just because it is the US's biggest creditor and that it makes almost every non-food item in our markets. The point of this thread is to discuss Chinese participation into building the high speed rail line. Please use your words carefully next time.

 

I believe that America is capable of building its own sh*t. We were pioneers 150 years ago with railroading technology, why should we let that slip? We don't need some other country to teach us how to build a HSR line: we do the research, we look at what others have done and we improve. All you need is public support and support from Washington and dough.

We barely have our own railcar maufacturers.Heres a crapload of them.

 

St Louis car company:cry:

Pullman standard

Budd company

Rohr Industries

Boeing Vertol

Morrison-Knudsen

American Car and foundry etc etc etc

 

In other words we need railcar maufacturers of our own to implement our own new technologies.If not,we`ll have the chinese setting up plants here.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Most of the chinese made goods suck, a large percentage of the constuction materials are made there and they are not durable at all. Also it seems that every six months there is a report out about chinese made goods that are hazardous in one way or another.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

We barely have our own railcar maufacturers.Heres a crapload of them.

 

St Louis car company:cry:

Pullman standard

Budd company

Rohr Industries

Boeing Vertol

Morrison-Knudsen

American Car and foundry etc etc etc

 

In other words we need railcar maufacturers of our own to implement our own new technologies.If not,we`ll have the chinese setting up plants here.

 

We need to get Siemens , Bombardier Transportation , Talgo , to build plants here in the Northeast....since the demand for Rail cars is growing very fast here.:P

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

×
×
  • Create New...

Important Information

By using this site, you agree to our Terms of Use.