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Orion VII "NG"

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So whats so special about the O7 NG? Well actually, a whole lot more than looks! The NG O7's will have many improvements over the 1st Gen O7's. With the eminent discontinuation of the O5, Daimler has invested heavily in the new bus, which is quite different from the ones currently rolling. Among the new features, drivers will no longer have to worry about cold feet, as the NG' have a new floor heat vent, and an added recirculated air feature, which will heat buses much faster after a layover. The BAE HybriDrive System has also been revised. The new system, which is mated to the 5.9L 6-cyl Cummins ISL C8.3G ISB, will produce 40 more horses, to top out at 330HP, and 2,700 ft-lbs of low end torque. The engine fan has also been improved to reduce the chances of overheating. The acceleration will be quicker, and smoother, no roll-back on hills, and will be the lowest polluting commercial bus in production.

 

The Hawker Siddeley lead acid batteries of the 1st Gen O7's will be dropped for new A123 Systems Lithium Ion batteries. These batteries are of lighter weight, last longer, and will aid in significant cost reductions. They will improve the fuel economy by 10-15% over the current rolling stock, which is up to 40% better than standard diesel buses. The buses will have 40% lower maintenance costs, and are 24% cheaper to operate than current O7's, with more than 21,000 gallons of fuel saved over the life of each bus! Life= 12yr/500,000 mi. No new driver training is needed.

 

The first bus built to MTA specs is currently in production, and will roll off the assembly line on March 10, 2008. The next day, Daimler will begin what they call "100% Configuration Audit." This is the process of which the entire bus will be inspected from bumper to bumper. MTA will also assist in this process, to ensure the bus is to specs. Upon completion, bus #2 will roll off the line on May 5, followed by #3 on May 26, #'s 4 & 5 on June 16, and so on throught September, when they will ramp up production to 6 busses per day.

 

At this time, numbers and depots have yet to be assigned, but as soon as they are, I will be notified. At this time, Orion believes they will receive the assignments by the end of July, when the 1st 14 buses will be complete. By that time, bus 1292 will most likely have been returned to Orion, as it is not built to MTA specs.

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Wow thats some very good info there and it sounds like an interesting process. Thanks a lot for sharing. I'm hoping these buses can last at least 12 years.

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Wow! 330HP, and 2,700 ft-lb low end torque :eek:

 

I'm not used to reading about the power output of a bus.

 

I was just thinking the same thing when I read your post. It's really interesting to hear that since we don't tend to hear that often.

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Wow! 330HP, and 2,700 ft-lb low end torque :eek:

 

I'm not used to reading about the power output of a bus.

 

Yes that is torque for days.

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Kingsbridge will possibly get the RTSs back, so the crap will retire there, before new buses come into here. Kingsbridge is NYCTA dumping ground, and those Orion V from STI, well we had a Union meeting about that.

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I was just thinking the same thing when I read your post. It's really interesting to hear that since we don't tend to hear that often.

 

Yes that is torque for days.

 

LMAO! And to think the RTS's, O5's, and C40's only average 200-240hp, and 900 ft-lbs torque. The Artics are about 250-260hp w/ 1100 ft-lbs

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LMAO! And to think the RTS's, O5's, and C40's only average 200-240hp, and 900 ft-lbs torque. The Artics are about 250-260hp w/ 1100 ft-lbs

 

For those 5600-5700series artics, they can fly due to diesel power. Some will roll up hill without the accelerator being touched.........

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1st photo: Bus I believe had a minor problem and needed to be towed to the garage.

 

2nd photo: That bus is not the same bus and its being delivered to TTC.

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The 1st NG built to (MTA) specs rolls off the assembly line on Monday(3/10)! I'll try to get a pic if possible!

 

 

That means all the new amenities will be stripped.......

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That means all the new amenities will be stripped.......

 

LOL.... no, not really. It will actually have a few more features than demo bus # 1292

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LOL.... no, not really. It will actually have a few more features than demo bus # 1292

 

Not if the MTA can get comfortable features taken out. If they could get away with putting in cinder blocks for operators seats they would. It actually might be more comfortable.

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Not if the MTA can get comfortable features taken out. If they could get away with putting in cinder blocks for operators seats they would. It actually might be more comfortable.

 

ROFLMAO!! :D

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my one wish for these buses.....

 

AUTOMATED ANNOUNCEMENTS & NEXT STOP DISPLAYS PLEASE!!

 

Just like how long island bus has their Orion V CNG buses equipped with them, along with some D60HF Buses on the M15 and other lines.

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OH CRAP that bus is awsome!I wish that ENY and ulmer park would get those buses.But thats probaly not going to happen though.

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The first unit on 3/10?, thats pretty fast. Hopefully this bus can be a better improvement from the HEV's.

 

Yeah, but it won't be going to MTA until it's approved. Hopefully and supposedly they are to be much better that the current O7's. They should start arriving in the first of August.

 

my one wish for these buses.....

 

AUTOMATED ANNOUNCEMENTS & NEXT STOP DISPLAYS PLEASE!!

 

Just like how long island bus has their Orion V CNG buses equipped with them, along with some D60HF Buses on the M15 and other lines.

 

That would be nice! Detroit had those like 5 years ago! I remember they were testing them out of Michael J. Qull, but I don't know what happened.

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Some D60HFs @ 126th Street Depot has the automated announcements, a month back I rode a M15 to south ferry to catch the ferry then travel onward to S.I Mall, but with a surprise, automated announcements on that D60HF! I dont remember the Bus # tho.

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Countdown to delivery! I was told by my source that when the First NYCT NG rolled off the assembly line this morning, all seemed to be going as planed. The bus now has to be approved by (MTA)

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Countdown to delivery! I was told by my source that when the First NYCT NG rolled off the assembly line this morning, all seemed to be going as planed. The bus now has to be approved by (MTA)

 

NYC already tested this model, before it was sent back to Orion. They use these terms (approve), but fact is these buses are here to stay. This will be the future of MTA.

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NYC already tested this model, before it was sent back to Orion. They use these terms (approve), but fact is these buses are here to stay. This will be the future of MTA.

 

Yeah, but it has different features from the demo buses, as it was built to TTC specs, so they have to make sure it's up to (MTA) standards.

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Yeah, but it has different features from the demo buses, as it was built to TTC specs, so they have to make sure it's up to (MTA) standards.

 

Which is less than TTC standards, lol.

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