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1980's roster question


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For anyone who knows, what were the car assignments to the lines circa

(1985-1987)?? I know R-32's were on the (D), I think and thats all I know actually..lol Any info would be greatly appreciated

 

Also, when did the R-40's & R-42's get blue doors (similar to the R-32's) like in this pic & what was the reason for replacing/or painting the doors blue??

Ket and Reas throwups, Q train, 1988

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This is from the summer of 1980 and is BMT/IND only (sorry for the lack of IRT), but will give you an idea of the variety we had:

 

Subway Cars In 1980:

70(A) R40s 240; R46s 104

70(AA)/70(:P R38s 160 R42s 96

70(CC) R10s 80 R46s 138

70(D) R32 Brightliners 40; R40M/R42s 180; R44s 96

70(E) R10s 40; R32 Brightliners 20; R44s 48; R46s 112

70(F) R10s 60; R32 Brightliners 20; R44s 48; R46s 120

70(GG) R10s 88

70(J) R27/R30s 106; R42s 32

70(LL) R16s 80; R27/R30s 24; R42s 24

70(M)/70(QB) R27/R30s 176 R42s

70(N) R32 Brightliners 200 R46s 80

70(RR) R27/R30s 120; R32 Brightliners 112; R46s 64

70(SS) Franklin Avenue R27/R30 12

(JFK) "The Train To The Plane" R46s 21

 

Notice how diverse the (E) and (F) lines were with four car types though at two-ten car sets each, R32 Brightliners were rare to catch. The (A) had no R44s and the R38s were still running independently on their own. Mixed R40M/R42 sets were popular on the (D) then which was both the Brighton Express and the Brighton Local.

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This is from the summer of 1980 and is BMT/IND only (sorry for the lack of IRT), but will give you an idea of the variety we had:

 

Subway Cars In 1980:

70(A) R40s 240; R46s 104

70(AA)/70(:P R38s 160 R42s 96

70(CC) R10s 80 R46s 138

70(D) R32 Brightliners 40; R40M/R42s 180; R44s 96

70(E) R10s 40; R32 Brightliners 20; R44s 48; R46s 112

70(F) R10s 60; R32 Brightliners 20; R44s 48; R46s 120

70(GG) R10s 88

70(J) R27/R30s 106; R42s 32

70(LL) R16s 80; R27/R30s 24; R42s 24

70(M)/70(QB) R27/R30s 176 R42s

70(N) R32 Brightliners 200 R46s 80

70(RR) R27/R30s 120; R32 Brightliners 112; R46s 64

70(SS) Franklin Avenue R27/R30 12

(JFK) "The Train To The Plane" R46s 21

 

Notice how diverse the (E) and (F) lines were with four car types though at two-ten car sets each, R32 Brightliners were rare to catch. The (A) had no R44s and the R38s were still running independently on their own. Mixed R40M/R42 sets were popular on the (D) then which was both the Brighton Express and the Brighton Local.

 

So the M and QB were sharing cars? Were they based out of ENY then or Coney Island

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So the M and QB were sharing cars? Were they based out of ENY then or Coney Island

That was a sad :( period for the 70(QB) now (Q). The 70(QB) ran 57th Street-Seventh Avenue to Coney Island but Rush Hours only (like an hour to an hour and a half) and was like a supplemental train to the 70(N) and 70(M).

 

Those days, IIRC, CI since the 70(M) ran Metro Avenue to Coney Island weekdays 6am to approximately 8pm.

 

The 70(AA) turned into the 70(B) from Washington Heights-168th Street during Rush Hours which was a good thing since the 70(B) served both 168th Street and 57th Street-Sixth Avenue after the cancellation of the (K) on Friday August 27,1976.

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This is from the summer of 1980 and is BMT/IND only (sorry for the lack of IRT), but will give you an idea of the variety we had:

 

Subway Cars In 1980:

70(A) R40s 240; R46s 104

70(AA)/70(:( R38s 160 R42s 96

70(CC) R10s 80 R46s 138

70(D) R32 Brightliners 40; R40M/R42s 180; R44s 96

70(E) R10s 40; R32 Brightliners 20; R44s 48; R46s 112

70(F) R10s 60; R32 Brightliners 20; R44s 48; R46s 120

70(GG) R10s 88

70(J) R27/R30s 106; R42s 32

70(LL) R16s 80; R27/R30s 24; R42s 24

70(M)/70(QB) R27/R30s 176 R42s

70(N) R32 Brightliners 200 R46s 80

70(RR) R27/R30s 120; R32 Brightliners 112; R46s 64

70(SS) Franklin Avenue R27/R30 12

(JFK) "The Train To The Plane" R46s 21

 

Notice how diverse the (E) and (F) lines were with four car types though at two-ten car sets each, R32 Brightliners were rare to catch. The (A) had no R44s and the R38s were still running independently on their own. Mixed R40M/R42 sets were popular on the (D) then which was both the Brighton Express and the Brighton Local.

 

Okk thanks. I know in 1981 the R-44's were taken off the (D) (due to complaints from ppl who lived along the Brighton Line) and moved to I think the (A) or the (N)

 

And from the pics I've seen, Im assuming the 1985 Manhattan Bridge project shifted most R-40's to the (B) & <Q>. Im also assuming (Based on Pics)..that during some point between 84 and 86 the (R) became mostly R-32 and that the R-46's from that line went to the (N). From what I've read it sounds like the (NYCTA) tried to keep the R-44's/46's on popular express lines such as the (A)(E)(F)(N). Most pics I've seen of the <Q> were R-40's & 42's. If I recall correctly, R-32's didn't start going to the (E) until after the returned from overhall in the late 80's/early 90's

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That was a sad :( period for the 70(QB) now (Q). The 70(QB) ran 57th Street-Seventh Avenue to Coney Island but Rush Hours only (like an hour to an hour and a half) and was like a supplemental train to the 70(N) and 70(M).

 

Those days, IIRC, CI since the 70(M) ran Metro Avenue to Coney Island weekdays 6am to approximately 8pm.

 

The 70(AA) turned into the 70(B) from Washington Heights-168th Street during Rush Hours which was a good thing since the 70(B) served both 168th Street and 57th Street-Sixth Avenue after the cancellation of the (K) on Friday August 27,1976.

 

According to my 1979 map, it was the <B>, they used the <B> to designate ones that went to 168 and (B) for the ones that ended at 57 St-Ave of Americas

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The (AA) turned into the (K) which ran all times except Rush Hrs and Nights. The <B> operated to 168 St during Rush Hours, simultaneously with the (:( that was operating to 57th St. CPW service was also served by the Rush Hour Only <C>, so with both the <B> & <C> serving CPW during these hrs, there was no need for the (K) to operate at these times. In 1988 when the south side of the Manhattan Brige closed the (B) went to 168 St on weekdays (all times except nights) while the (Q6) served 57th St. On weekends the (B) went to 57th St while the (C) went to 168th. The (K) was eliminated or "absorbed" by expanded (C) service.

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By 1985-1987, the general idea was:(Basing this off of foggy memories of assignment lists)

A: R38/R44

BX/K: R42

BK: R30/R40S

C: R10 (R27/R30s will start to show up at the end of this period)

DX: R32/R40M/R42

DK: R32/R40M/R42, being rapidly replaced by R68

E: R46

F: R46

G: R32 (Might have a few R10)

H:R10

J: R16/R27/R30/R42 (Might have a few R10)

JFK: R46

L: R16/R27/R30/R42 (Might have a few R10)

M/Q: R16/R27/R30/R32/R42 (Might have a few R10)

N: Big mix, some R32 but mostly R46

R: R27/R30/R32 (Not entirely sure here...)

S: R27/R30, phasing into R32

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This is from the summer of 1980 and is BMT/IND only (sorry for the lack of IRT), but will give you an idea of the variety we had:

 

Subway Cars In 1980:

70(A) R40s 240; R46s 104

70(AA)/70(;) R38s 160 R42s 96

70(CC) R10s 80 R46s 138

70(D) R32 Brightliners 40; R40M/R42s 180; R44s 96

70(E) R10s 40; R32 Brightliners 20; R44s 48; R46s 112

70(F) R10s 60; R32 Brightliners 20; R44s 48; R46s 120

70(GG) R10s 88

70(J) R27/R30s 106; R42s 32

70(LL) R16s 80; R27/R30s 24; R42s 24

70(M)/70(QB) R27/R30s 176 R42s

70(N) R32 Brightliners 200 R46s 80

70(RR) R27/R30s 120; R32 Brightliners 112; R46s 64

70(SS) Franklin Avenue R27/R30 12

(JFK) "The Train To The Plane" R46s 21

 

Notice how diverse the (E) and (F) lines were with four car types though at two-ten car sets each, R32 Brightliners were rare to catch. The (A) had no R44s and the R38s were still running independently on their own. Mixed R40M/R42 sets were popular on the (D) then which was both the Brighton Express and the Brighton Local.

 

In the fall, things had become normalized again. 44's back on A and D, 46's all on E and F (and JFK), and off of N (now all 32's) until another couple years; 10's on C and G only.

There were 32's on G, and there still seemed to be some on the F for a while. By the following year, E/F were entirely 46, and the 44's were gone completely for a couple of years, and returned all on the A.

R also had 42's. So D, M/QB and R were basically the same equipment, except the the 42's were divided among the lines according to number range. (4500's-R, 46-700's- D, 48-900's, M/Q).

 

38's briefly spread to all the CI lines, and then went to the A permanenty, and were replaced by the slants, which also were eventually on all the CI lines until they went for rebuilding. 42's eventually were in Concourse and ENY only. So that brings you up to the '85-87 period.

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In the fall, things had become normalized again. 44's back on A and D, 46's all on E and F (and JFK), and off of N (now all 32's) until another couple years; 10's on C and G only.

There were 32's on G, and there still seemed to be some on the F for a while. By the following year, E/F were entirely 46, and the 44's were gone completely for a couple of years, and returned all on the A.

R also had 42's. So D, M/QB and R were basically the same equipment, except the the 42's were divided among the lines according to number range. (4500's-R, 46-700's- D, 48-900's, M/Q).

 

38's briefly spread to all the CI lines, and then went to the A permanenty, and were replaced by the slants, which also were eventually on all the CI lines until they went for rebuilding. 42's eventually were in Concourse and ENY only. So that brings you up to the '85-87 period.

 

Isnt there about 500 R32s, seems like they werent using a lot of them back then

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Isnt there about 500 R32s, seems like they werent using a lot of them back then

 

No those were 46s because they were haveing a problems with the Trucks cracking many of them were at Pitkin unused or were used part time.

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No those were 46s because they were haveing a problems with the Trucks cracking many of them were at Pitkin unused or were used part time.

 

I know that but I do also know that theres around 500 R32s and it seems they are only using half of them in the car assingments.

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Isnt there about 500 R32s, seems like they werent using a lot of them back then

 

There were 600 R32's and they were spread all around: AA/B, D, G, M, N, Q, R (including on some lines in that list where they were not mentioned).

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The R-46's were all on the (C)(E)(F)..right?
Plus the (A) and the (JFK) "The Train To The Plane" during the summer of 1980.

 

B.M.T. routes ran the R16s, R27/R30s and R32 Brightliners. R10s were the oldest subway cars in revenue service then

 

On the I.R.T. routes, the R12s saw September 1981 and the R14s and R15s December 1984.

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