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Which Bus Routes Would be Better Off at Other Depots?


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The thread about AMS closing got me thinking. Which bus routes should be swapped to other depots (or be split) in order to make a more sensible assignment based on where the depot is? What assignments would save the most time/money/fuel on deadheads and location? Here are some of my ideas:

 

 

  • The M96/M106 should be based out of 100th St. instead of MHV. The depot is literally 4 blocks away from the M96 on Park Ave.
  • The Q39 and Q67 should be out of Fresh Pond instead of LGA.
  • The QBx1 Co-Op City runs make more sense being based out of GH than ECH.
  • The M66 and M72 should be based out of MJQ instead of 126th.
  • The Q44 should be split between CS/WF. I would say JAM/WF, but IINM the Q44 is interlined with the Q20, which is based out of CS.
  • The Q53 should be split between LGA and FR.
  • The Q35 should be split b/w FLA and FR.
  • The Bx33 is closer to MHV than MCH (which is what it was based out of before it closed IINM).

 

 

Feel free to discuss. I know I included the moving of routes between (MTA) bus and NYC bus depots, but we're only a few years away from complete integration of both entities anyway.

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- I say the Bx32 made more sense when it was based out of KB depot:)

It doesn't make any sense for it to be based out of WF

 

- When the M98 gets cut back to 68st, it should be based out of 126 st depot or any other depot near or along the route.

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  • The S78 should be split between Yukon and Castleton, but majority-wise Yukon. Some S78 runs terminate at Richmond Avenue for the most part.
  • The S93 should be split between Yukon and Castleton as well, because the S93 terminates at CSI which is 10 minutes away from the mall/depot by bus.
  • Some of the MCIs that will be unneeded by MJQ with the elimination of the X90 could be used on the daytime SI express routes (X1/10/17C) for midday and weekend service.

 

 

Just my thoughts for now. More will come later if any comes to mind.

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-The M79, M96/M106 as R32 3348 said should be out of 100th Street

-The S78, I think should be split with Yukon and Charleston when it opens

-The B47 should return to Flatbush

-The S46 and S62 should be run out of Meredith since their terminals are close to it.

 

Just those ideas for now.

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Brooklyn:

-B4 should go back to Ulmer Park.

 

-B6/B6 LTD should be split with ENY and Ulmer Park being that its such a long route.

 

-B8 should be split with Jackie Gleason and Ulmer Park.

 

-B9 should be out of Flatbush Depot instead of Jackie Gleason because it passes right by it.

 

-B20 should be split between Fresh Pond and ENY like before.

 

-B35/B35 LTD should be split with Jackie Gleason and ENY due to congestion and high ridership.

 

-B45 should be split with ENY and Jackie Gleason, not just ENY.

 

-B46/B46 LTD should be split with Flatbush and ENY.

 

-B51 (although this route will be discontinued by 6/27/10) should be sent back to Jackie Gleason because its much closer than Grand Av and ENY (ENY Depot 2003-2007 if im not mistaking.)

 

-B61's route should be combined with B62:

B61 LTD (during the day, ALL STOPS AT NIGHT) should be out of Grand Av

B62 LOCAL (out of the same Depot it is now).

 

-B65 should be split with ENY and Jackie Gleason.

 

-B68 should go back to Ulmer Park.

 

-B82 should be split with Ulmer Park and ENY due to its length.

 

Bronx:

-Bx5 should be out of West Farms instead of Gun Hill.

 

-Bx15 should be split with Kingsbridge and West Farms.

 

Manhattan:

-M1/M1 LTD should be out of Manhattanville.

 

-M5/M5 LTD should be split with Manhattanville and Michael J. Quill.

 

-M7 should be out of Manhattanville.

 

-M11 should be out of Michael J. Quill. it runs right by it.

 

-M31 should be split with 126 St and Michael J. Quill.

 

-M60 should be split with Manhattanville, 126 St and Michael J. Quill due to high ridership and route length.

 

-M66 should be out of Michael J. Quill.

 

-M72 should be out of Michael J. Quill.

 

-M79 should be split with 100 St and 126 St.

 

-M86 should be split with 126 St and 100 St.

 

-M96 should be out of 100 St or 126 St.

 

-M98 LTD should be split with Manhattanville and 126 St. (Too far from Quill.)

 

-M101/M101 LTD should be split with Michael J. Quill and 100 St.

 

-M102 should be split with Michael J. Quill and 100 St.

 

-M103 should be split with Michael J. Quill and 100 St.

 

-M106 should be out of 100 St or 126 St.

 

Queens:

-Q19 should be out of LGA again.

 

-Q24 should be split with Jamaica and ENY.

 

-Q35 should be split with JFK and Flatbush.

 

-Q44 should be split with Casey Stengel and Gun Hill.

 

-Q53 should be split with LaGuardia and JFK.

 

-Q56 should be split with Jamaica and ENY.

 

-Q58 should be split with Fresh Pond, Grand Av and Casey Stengel.

 

-Q66 should be out of LGA instead of College Point.

 

Staten Island:

S62 should be out of Yukon instead of Castleton.

 

S78 should be split with Yukon and Castleton.

 

S92 LTD should be out of Yukon instead of Castleton.

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  • The S78 should be split between Yukon and Castleton, but majority-wise Yukon. Some S78 runs terminate at Richmond Avenue for the most part.

  • The S93 should be split between Yukon and Castleton as well, because the S93 terminates at CSI which is 10 minutes away from the mall/depot by bus.

  • Some of the MCIs that will be unneeded by MJQ with the elimination of the X90 could be used on the daytime SI express routes (X1/10/17C) for midday and weekend service.

 

 

Just my thoughts for now. More will come later if any comes to mind.

 

The S78 shouldn't be based out of Castleton, since it is nowhere near there. Even at St George, it is still a few miles from Castleton. It should be split between Yukon and Charleston when it opens.

The S93 should remain at Castleton only because

a) It is a limited-stop version of the S53 and should be based out of the same depot when possible.

:P The exit at CSI leads right up to the ramp of the Martin Luther King Expressway, which moves much quicker than Richmond Avenue with the traffic and lights.

 

-The M79, M96/M106 as R32 3348 said should be out of 100th Street

-The S78, I think should be split with Yukon and Charleston when it opens

-The B47 should return to Flatbush

-The S46 and S62 should be run out of Meredith since their terminals are close to it.

 

Just those ideas for now.

 

I agree about the S78 and B47. About the S46 and S62, that depot only holds express buses, but it is really just a layover place. That makes perfect sense especially for the S46, since it terminates down the block. (It is the closest depot to the S62 as well)

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-The M79, M96/M106 as R32 3348 said should be out of 100th Street

-The S78, I think should be split with Yukon and Charleston when it opens

-The B47 should return to Flatbush

-The S46 and S62 should be run out of Meredith since their terminals are close to it.

 

Just those ideas for now.

 

I've done some online research (obviously, all information can questioned). 100 St Bus Depot is only built for 200 buses. If you equate 1 60ft buses to 1.5 40ft bus, then the current 112 buses is about 168 of 200. They maybe able to take 1 articulated route, i.e the M79 (including spares) but sadly they couldn't fit the M96/106 (though it makes sense). Also political reasons from what I read they don't want it above 116 artics.

The B47 should return to Flatbush, I agree. The S46 and S62 should be stored at Meredith during off hours if room was/is available.

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A few tidbits of my own. I'll speak mostly on 100/126 St for now

126 St

M15, M31 (Split MJQ), M35, M60 (Maybe have it interlined with the M116 in Morningside Heights), M98 (No need for a split I think, traffic permitting, the trip up the Harlem River Drive is quick as a deadhead.), M116. Maybe split the M100 in the PM. Have the buses (somehow, someway stored at Kingsbridge overnight and be used for the M98 s/b in the AM).

100 St

M79, M86, M101/102/103

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The S78 shouldn't be based out of Castleton, since it is nowhere near there. Even at St George, it is still a few miles from Castleton. It should be split between Yukon and Charleston when it opens.

The S93 should remain at Castleton only because

a) It is a limited-stop version of the S53 and should be based out of the same depot when possible.

:P The exit at CSI leads right up to the ramp of the Martin Luther King Expressway, which moves much quicker than Richmond Avenue with the traffic and lights.

 

 

Yukon closes the depot at late night. S78 is suited w/ CAS. Unless Yukon opens 24 hrs, it should be moved over to Yukon as everyone agrees on.

 

The s93 is interline with s53 and s62 route.

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Yukon closes the depot at late night. S78 is suited w/ CAS. Unless Yukon opens 24 hrs, it should be moved over to Yukon as everyone agrees on.

 

The s93 is interline with s53 and s62 route.

 

So how is it that the S74, a Yukon route, operates 24/7 if Yukon is closed during the nighttime?

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<Q>38 needs to go back to LGA

<Q>69 needs to come to College pt

<Q>12/24 Might be going to ©ollege pt come (S)ummer pick ,I'll keep ya posted:tup:

<Q>44 /<Q>26 should come to College pt

Casey should get the 34/25

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Brooklyn:

-B4 should go back to Ulmer Park.

yeah... don't remember why it left in the first place....

 

-B8 should be split with Jackie Gleason and Ulmer Park.

-B68 should go back to Ulmer Park.

If UP was a bigger facility, I'd agree w/ these....

 

-B9 should be out of Flatbush Depot instead of Jackie Gleason because it passes right by it.

RTS' on the B9... imagine that.

 

-B20 should be split between Fresh Pond and ENY like before.

agreed...

 

-B46/B46 LTD should be split with Flatbush and ENY.

IMO, none of Flatbush's routes should be split w/ any other depot.....

 

-B51 (although this route will be discontinued by 6/27/10) should be sent back to Jackie Gleason because its much closer than Grand Av and ENY (ENY Depot 2003-2007 if im not mistaking.)

 

-B61's route should be combined with B62:

B61 LTD (during the day, ALL STOPS AT NIGHT) should be out of Grand Av

B62 LOCAL (out of the same Depot it is now).

In other words, they should've left it (the old B61) alone... I agree with that.

 

-B35/B35 LTD should be split with Jackie Gleason and ENY due to congestion and high ridership.

-B45 should be split with ENY and Jackie Gleason, not just ENY.

-B65 should be split with ENY and Jackie Gleason.

I don't see the logic in splitting the B35, 45, and 65 b/w JG & ENY.... I think you'd be botching things up by doing that....

 

and what does high ridership have to do w/ where buses off a certain route, is stored? unless you're implying that ENY could use another "money" route (b35)... iono....

 

-B6/B6 LTD should be split with ENY and Ulmer Park being that its such a long route.

-B82 should be split with Ulmer Park and ENY due to its length.

I can agree to this, on both fronts....

 

comments in red....

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So how is it that the S74, a Yukon route, operates 24/7 if Yukon is closed during the nighttime?

 

The 78 northern terminal is closer to Castleton.

 

The 74 has 2 hawks at night, they work at late night shift; does not really hampered the Yukon operations since its 1 route or 2 if you count x1 as ~24 hr route.

 

I should take it back....

Technically, Yukon does not closed at night, they just dont do operations that period of time when its really not busy.

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Technically, Yukon does not closed at night, they just dont do operations that period of time when its really not busy.

 

Yeah that's true....

 

Not to mention also that the North Shore has a higher concentration of people than the South Shore does (S40/46/48/53/62 night runs compared to the S74/78 night runs).

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Does anybody know if Charleston will be open 24/7, even though it will be primarily express routes? If it is, then that means that the S74 and S78 (?) could be based out of there and Yukon could be closed at night.

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Will the Charleston Depot be open 24/7, even though it will be primarily express routes? If it is, then there would be nothing serving Yukon at night and they can justify shutting it down from 1AM - 5AM. They're not going to bring back the S59 ''owl''; anytime soon.

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I'm going to give this a try I been out of NY a bit

 

Brooklyn:

 

B4- back to UP

 

B6- have UP run the full route LTD, ENY kan run the short turn Lcl.

 

B8- did good at JG a lot of routes to interline with.

 

B9- at least a split with FLA

 

B47- back to FLA

 

B60- should go back to ENY due to Peak serivce pattern.

 

B68- should be at UP if they freed up space.

 

B82- short turn kan kome out of UP

 

Manhattan

 

126 and 100 kan swap out it would work since the all the routes minus the M79, M86.

Feed into 125 and would kut down on deadhead it would like.

 

100th St- M31, M57, M66, M72, M96, M98, M106, M116 covert back to 40

 

126 ST- M15, M35, M79, M86, M101-103

 

That all for now.

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  • The S78 should be split between Yukon and Castleton, but majority-wise Yukon. Some S78 runs terminate at Richmond Avenue for the most part.
  • The S93 should be split between Yukon and Castleton as well, because the S93 terminates at CSI which is 10 minutes away from the mall/depot by bus.
  • Some of the MCIs that will be unneeded by MJQ with the elimination of the X90 could be used on the daytime SI express routes (X1/10/17C) for midday and weekend service.

 

Just my thoughts for now. More will come later if any comes to mind.

 

A bunch of S78 school trippers come from Yukon based out of St.George, thats the most painful ride I've had in my time of transitfanning.

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Yukon Depot doesn't really close at night. The last X1 gets in to the depot around 3am and the first X1s to Manhattan start leaving after 4am. On weekends though, they probably do close overnight and just hope the few NGs they have on the S74 don't break down until 5am.

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[*]The M96/M106 should be based out of 100th St. instead of MHV. The depot is literally 4 blocks away from the M96 on Park Ave.

 

i disagree! why? because 100 is a all artic depot and the 96/106 do not need artics!

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Brooklyn:

-B4 should go back to Ulmer Park.

 

-B6/B6 LTD should be split with ENY and Ulmer Park being that its such a long route.

 

-B8 should be split with Jackie Gleason and Ulmer Park.

 

-B9 should be out of Flatbush Depot instead of Jackie Gleason because it passes right by it.

 

-B20 should be split between Fresh Pond and ENY like before.

 

-B35/B35 LTD should be split with Jackie Gleason and ENY due to congestion and high ridership.

 

-B45 should be split with ENY and Jackie Gleason, not just ENY.

 

-B46/B46 LTD should be split with Flatbush and ENY.

 

-B51 (although this route will be discontinued by 6/27/10) should be sent back to Jackie Gleason because its much closer than Grand Av and ENY (ENY Depot 2003-2007 if im not mistaking.)

 

-B61's route should be combined with B62:

B61 LTD (during the day, ALL STOPS AT NIGHT) should be out of Grand Av

B62 LOCAL (out of the same Depot it is now).

 

-B65 should be split with ENY and Jackie Gleason.

 

-B68 should go back to Ulmer Park.

 

-B82 should be split with Ulmer Park and ENY due to its length.

 

Bronx:

-Bx5 should be out of West Farms instead of Gun Hill.

 

-Bx15 should be split with Kingsbridge and West Farms.

 

Manhattan:

-M1/M1 LTD should be out of Manhattanville.

 

-M5/M5 LTD should be split with Manhattanville and Michael J. Quill.

 

-M7 should be out of Manhattanville.

 

-M11 should be out of Michael J. Quill. it runs right by it.

 

-M31 should be split with 126 St and Michael J. Quill.

 

-M60 should be split with Manhattanville, 126 St and Michael J. Quill due to high ridership and route length.

 

-M66 should be out of Michael J. Quill.

 

-M72 should be out of Michael J. Quill.

 

-M79 should be split with 100 St and 126 St.

 

-M86 should be split with 126 St and 100 St.

 

-M96 should be out of 100 St or 126 St.

 

-M98 LTD should be split with Manhattanville and 126 St. (Too far from Quill.)

 

-M101/M101 LTD should be split with Michael J. Quill and 100 St.

 

-M102 should be split with Michael J. Quill and 100 St.

 

-M103 should be split with Michael J. Quill and 100 St.

 

-M106 should be out of 100 St or 126 St.

 

Queens:

-Q19 should be out of LGA again.

 

-Q24 should be split with Jamaica and ENY.

 

-Q35 should be split with JFK and Flatbush.

 

-Q44 should be split with Casey Stengel and Gun Hill.

 

-Q53 should be split with LaGuardia and JFK.

 

-Q56 should be split with Jamaica and ENY.

 

-Q58 should be split with Fresh Pond, Grand Av and Casey Stengel.

 

-Q66 should be out of LGA instead of College Point.

 

Staten Island:

S62 should be out of Yukon instead of Castleton.

 

S78 should be split with Yukon and Castleton.

 

S92 LTD should be out of Yukon instead of Castleton.

 

some these splits you have up there dont make sense at all!!!!

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The thread about AMS closing got me thinking. Which bus routes should be swapped to other depots (or be split) in order to make a more sensible assignment based on where the depot is?

 

I'd also want to look at where the depot is relative to the route's ridership base.

 

My thoughts...

 

Bx16: Eastchester

 

B13: SC

 

Q8: SC and/or JA

 

Q18: GA or FP

 

Q29: FP

 

Q31: JA (AM peak riding is northbound)

 

Q38: FP (with reliefs at Metropolitan & Fresh Pond)

 

Q39: FP or GA

 

Q45: FP

 

Q53: FR

 

Q60: JA or BP

 

Q67: FP or GA

 

Q76: JA (AM peak riding is northbound)

 

Q110: QV

 

N1: QV

 

N2: QV

 

N8: QV

 

N20/21: CS or CP (AM peak riding is eastbound)

 

N33: FR

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Here are my thoughts:

Manhattan

M1-MV

M7-MV

M11-split with MJQ/MV

M31-split with 126/MJQ since it runs with the M57

M60-split with 126 or LGA

M66-split with MJQ (WB only)

M72-same as M66

M96-split with 100

M100-split with 126 or MV

M104-split with MJQ

 

Bronx

Bx4-split with WF

Bx5-split with WF

Bx8-split with GH (SB runs only)

Bx9-split with WF (NB runs only)

Bx15-split with 126, MV or KB

Bx26, 28, 29, 30-Split with Eastchester

Bx31-split with Gun Hill

Bx32-back to KB

Bx33-after looking at this, I can see why some ppl want it Manhattanville than West Farms

Bx34-split with KB (last SB run only)

Bx40/42-split with WF

 

Queens

Q83-should go to Jamaica. Late nights from QV

Q111/113-split with JA and FR

Q25/34-split with CS

Q27-split with JA

Q30/31-split with JA/QV/CS

 

More to come

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I was waiting for someone to make a thread about this. Here are my suggestions (pre-service cuts)

 

Brooklyn

B13: Back to Fresh Pond (the last 4 buses of the night terminate at Myrtle-Wyckoff anyway)

B17: Flatbush

B36: Flatbush

B39: interline it with the B60 and make it ENY

B47: Flatbush

B51: interline it with the B61 and make it Gleason

B60: ENY

B82: Ulmer Park

B100: Flatbush

 

Manhattan

M1-M3: Hale when it reopens

M31: 100 St

M60: LGA

M79: 100 St

M98: 126 St

 

Queens

Q4: Queens Village

Q5: Queens Village

Q24: Jamaica

Q25: Jamaica

Q27: Stengel

Q35: Flatbush

Q38: Grand Avenue

Q39: Grand Avenue

Q44/20A/20B: Jamaica & Stengel split

Q48: LGA

Q53: Far Rockaway

Q54: Grand Avenue

Q66: Stengel

Q67: Fresh Pond

Q85: Queens Village

Q113: Far Rockaway

 

Don't really know much about Bronx or Staten Island

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