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On The Subject of R44 Retirements: Possible Preservation

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sorry there is no point in saving an R44 set due to a speed record they all gotta go to storage and then scrap.

 

If they don't save an R44 set, they'll probably save an R46 set. My only question is: Are they going to expand the transit museum, since there are so many old cars around now? It's unfortunate that for most of the *newer* old cars (like the R32s, R38s, R40 slants, the TOMC and the other Arnines) that they just sit in a yard when they could be on display for the public to see in a SAFE location.

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LRG

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If they don't save an R44 set, they'll probably save an R46 set. My only question is: Are they going to expand the transit museum, since there are so many old cars around now? It's unfortunate that for most of the *newer* old cars (like the R32s, R38s, R40 slants, the TOMC and the other Arnines) that they just sit in a yard when they could be on display for the public to see in a SAFE location.

 

They'll need the money to do such a thing, have ALL the cars displayed at once...question is, where can they do that? They'll have to build a track connection SOMEWHERE in order for this to happen and find a location to coincide with it.

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MTR Admiralty

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Lower Level of City Hall (BMT side) or Lower Level of 9th st?

The problem with that is, that they are connected physically to revenue track. Which means visitors must go thru the revenue section first before going onto the museum section. These stations are not truly abandoned.

 

Court Street though, is truly abandoned (and preserved for musuem use). The entire station: mezzanine and platform is abandoned. In order to have another museum site that would occupied a disused station, that station must comply with that criteria.

 

However, an alternate means can be done with Bowery and Canal, since half the station is closed off. Several issues arise: they cannot platform 10 cars, meaning they have to be either extended or something else would happen. There would have to be a lot of restoration work. Also, trains may have to use those tracks in the event of a service disruption. But other than that, a site at Canal Street or Bowery (abandoned side) would serve great. Sides, the tracks around Canal Street have an interesting history.

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The problem with that is, that they are connected physically to revenue track. Which means visitors must go thru the revenue section first before going onto the museum section. These stations are not truly abandoned.

 

Court Street though, is truly abandoned (and preserved for musuem use). The entire station: mezzanine and platform is abandoned. In order to have another museum site that would occupied a disused station, that station must comply with that criteria.

 

However, an alternate means can be done with Bowery and Canal, since half the station is closed off. Several issues arise: they cannot platform 10 cars, meaning they have to be either extended or something else would happen. There would have to be a lot of restoration work. Also, trains may have to use those tracks in the event of a service disruption. But other than that, a site at Canal Street or Bowery (abandoned side) would serve great. Sides, the tracks around Canal Street have an interesting history.

 

or* use the infamous 76st station*. (tup) ;-)

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MTR Admiralty

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They can at least make one set into a school car since its they only model retiring that resembles an NTT physically and mechanically.

If the entire fleet is deemed unsuitable for operating due to structural issues, I completely doubt if they can use a structurally failing car for schoolcar use. Albeit newer relative to other retired models, the controls and technology are still different from the NTTs of today. They should have used the R110B as schoolcar if they want the folks to get accustomed to the new technology.

 

If they want folks to get used to NTTs, they should let them try out a NTT instead. Get to the real stuff.

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Bill from Maspeth Train Operator

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Title says all...

I was thinking the set that ran the world speed record on the LIRR all those years ago. Give it an SMS and store it at CI.

NYCT has budget problems. The R44's are not highly regarded cars. The R46's, very similar cars, will still be around. IMO, saving an R44 (has to be 4 cars not to be a static display) would be even more expensive. NYCT can get more money for them (and save space) if they're gone since at early glance, it seems that they will be disposed of in the "traditional" manner.

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INDman Train Operator

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Furthermore, many R44's are already off the property. How do we know how many or any are still around?

When did they start moving them off property?

 

Yeah, but 13-16 is all you here. Just pondering.

 

Who cares, let the man do as he pleases.

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Some never got GOH'ed 20 years ago because of wrecks and fires. A few retirements since: one got wrecked at 135th St. and one went on fire at Far Rock. after GOH.

 

Oh ok, I thought you meant that some left with in the last year or so.

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MTR Admiralty

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As Bill said, there's no need to keep the R44s as the R46s are similar and the MTA can just keep an AA pair.

I would also guess when it comes time to retire the R68/A sets, they'll keep a pair of singles from the Franklin S.

But remember though, even an AA pair would be considerably longer than a pair of 60 footers. Where can you find room for public viewage?

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