SubwayGuy Posted June 6, 2010 Share #26 Posted June 6, 2010 Weren't they retired because of something that had to due with their brakes? They should have kept them anyway and left them in storage along with some of the other cars until it was time to pull them out. Sometimes plans do change and they have big time. Not sure if it was the brakes - could be possible. But agreed that they probably should not have been retired so soon. And they should've been put into storage just like the R44s are now. If what you're referring to is what I think it is - The R32 Phase II cars were retired mostly in 2008 because of problems with the NYAB brake package. The Phase I cars were kept around after that date because their brake packages performed significantly better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R44 5278 Posted June 6, 2010 Share #27 Posted June 6, 2010 If what you're referring to is what I think it is - The R32 Phase II cars were retired mostly in 2008 because of problems with the NYAB brake package. The Phase I cars were kept around after that date because their brake packages performed significantly better. I remembered that these trains (in comparison to Phase Is) squealed as badly as the other SMEEs before stopping and during startup and understand that it's mostly due to worn out gears suddenly stopping or decelerating/accelerating without dynamic. Did this have any correspondence with the NYAB package problems such as it damaging the motors, or was it simply that the NYAB didn't induce enough pressure to stop the train via friction brakes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted June 6, 2010 Share #28 Posted June 6, 2010 I remembered that these trains (in comparison to Phase Is) squealed as badly as the other SMEEs before stopping and during startup and understand that it's mostly due to worn out gears suddenly stopping or decelerating/accelerating without dynamic. Did this have any correspondence with the NYAB package problems such as it damaging the motors, or was it simply that the NYAB didn't induce enough pressure to stop the train via friction brakes? The squealing was caused by a number of things, depended on the particular train in question. One of the big problems with the NYAB packages occurred when RELEASING the brakes. They were very grabby and often slow to fully release, meaning they would drag as the car started. This led to increased brake shoe and wheel wear, lengthened running times, and poorer performance of the brakes when the trains attempted to stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan Railer Posted June 6, 2010 Share #29 Posted June 6, 2010 The RFP is now on the MTA Website http://www.mta.info/nyct/procure/contracts/R-34179sol.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTR Admiralty Posted June 6, 2010 Share #30 Posted June 6, 2010 Let's see who will get the job... I've seen too much of Kawasaki... how about someone else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan Railer Posted June 6, 2010 Share #31 Posted June 6, 2010 Let's see who will get the job...I've seen too much of Kawasaki... how about someone else? interesting if Siemens or Bombardier got the job... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTR Admiralty Posted June 6, 2010 Share #32 Posted June 6, 2010 interesting if Siemens or Bombardier got the job... I actually want to see Siemens do the job. Or maybe Hyundai Rotem. Someone new who hasn't done something in the city yet. I mean, Kawasaki makes some good stuff, but they already built the R62s, R68As, R142As, R143 and the R160Bs... someone new, PUH-LEASE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R44 CNG Posted June 6, 2010 Share #33 Posted June 6, 2010 Come back St. Louis Car Company:cry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted June 6, 2010 Share #34 Posted June 6, 2010 Let's see who will get the job...I've seen too much of Kawasaki... how about someone else? Unless the other companies can make compatible cars, I think it would make sense to go back to Kawasaki. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R110B Posted June 6, 2010 Share #35 Posted June 6, 2010 That would be funny if westinghouse builds it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R44 5278 Posted June 6, 2010 Share #36 Posted June 6, 2010 That would be funny if westinghouse builds it. How would it be funny? The name Westinghouse is currently owned by CBS and they had ceased/losing business in all their railroad equipment. And yes, WABCO is deteriorating and might even crumble in a few years. The only stable business from Westinghouse right now is Westinghouse Nuclear and even that is currently owned by Toshiba. It's a shame that Westinghouse toppled like that; if you ask anyone outside of Engineering and Railroads about who George Westinghouse was and what he was known for, I bet you that nobody knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRG Posted June 6, 2010 Share #37 Posted June 6, 2010 Westinghouse sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTR Admiralty Posted June 6, 2010 Share #38 Posted June 6, 2010 Unless the other companies can make compatible cars, I think it would make sense to go back to Kawasaki. Let other companies have a run, Kawasaki's going to be busy with the DC Metro trains. Let Hyundai Rotem get a run, they built really great stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ MC Posted June 6, 2010 Share #39 Posted June 6, 2010 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTR Admiralty Posted June 6, 2010 Share #40 Posted June 6, 2010 Have ACF do one more subway car order. Nah, leave it to Pullman B) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRG Posted June 6, 2010 Share #41 Posted June 6, 2010 Nah, leave it to Pullman B) Pressed Steel much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTR Admiralty Posted June 6, 2010 Share #42 Posted June 6, 2010 Pressed Steel much? B) Of course. And if you don't like the idea, you can always give the order to China who can give you a quality controlled set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R44 5278 Posted June 7, 2010 Share #43 Posted June 7, 2010 Westinghouse sucks. Do you even know what George Westinghouse was known for? Before you insult such a genius, I suggest that you learn about his invention and how it changed railroad tech forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted June 7, 2010 Share #44 Posted June 7, 2010 Westinghouse sucks. Bestinghouse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRG Posted June 7, 2010 Share #45 Posted June 7, 2010 Do you even know what George Westinghouse was known for? Before you insult such a genius, I suggest that you learn about his invention and how it changed railroad tech forever. Don't know, don't care. I like General Electric. No howling noise. Bestinghouse. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R44 5278 Posted June 7, 2010 Share #46 Posted June 7, 2010 Don't know, don't care. General Electric all day!!! +1 Without Westinghouse, you're probably dead by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRG Posted June 7, 2010 Share #47 Posted June 7, 2010 Without Westinghouse, you're probably dead by now. You mind sharing the innovations of Bestinghouse with us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R44 5278 Posted June 7, 2010 Share #48 Posted June 7, 2010 You mind sharing the innovations of Bestinghouse with us? Do you know what the acronym WABCO stands for? Ever heard of the Air Brake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRG Posted June 7, 2010 Share #49 Posted June 7, 2010 Do you know what the acronym WABCO stands for? Ever heard of the Air Brake? Westinghouse Air Brake Company much??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted June 7, 2010 Share #50 Posted June 7, 2010 As far as R1-9s are concerned, the WH designs are simpler than the GE stuff to understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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