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Licensed and Illegal Vans Fight It Out


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Anthony Henry’s commuter van rolled west along Merrick Boulevard in Queens, packed nearly to capacity with nine passengers. It was 6:50 on a Friday morning, and the path ahead of him was clear until suddenly it wasn’t: A van with a wobbly left rear tire, illegally plying the same route, burst in from a side street and barely cleared a car parked at the corner to pull ahead of Mr. Henry.

 

“Look at this guy right there, picking up my passengers,” Mr. Henry, 47, said, clicking his tongue as the van swooped to the curb and scooped up two people waiting. “It’s a war out there.”

 

War is an overstatement, but it is certainly ugly: tires slashed, windshields shattered, fists thrown, insults hurled and rules ignored as drivers across Queens and Brooklyn fight over fares.

 

Battlefield tales abound.

 

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/10/nyregion/10vans.html?scp=2&sq=dollar%20vans&st=cse

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the vans provide another transportation method for people especially in areas where the MTA service is inadequate. the city should be supporting these vans, the licensed ones only of course, and get rid of the unlicensed ones.

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These licensed dollar vans support the people of Jamaica...I remember back when Jamaica Buses and Green Lines had a strike these licensed private transportation vans helped me get to school...Now they cost .25 cents less than the MTA fare's for local buses...When waiting for the Q4 bus out in the cold or for a long time some people just hop on these...A trip to Jamaica Center from my house could take up to 15min on a Limited bus, 20 on a Local, and 10 or less with these vans...Although i have to say that these vans sometimes drive reckless...I remember while riding a bus around the limited turn at Merrick Blvd and Liberty Av this van cut the bus off from the right

 

Sorry for long paragraph...Its a war between Jamaica Bus Depot and these vans

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the city and mta need to crack down on the Illegal Vans and inpound them to put them out of business. Its not right for the hard working people who do things the legal way. Keep the legal vans tho.

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Why don't they run on the Q85 anymore??????????????????:mad: Idk but the Q85 has been kinda unreliable for a few months, I've been late a lot. Haven't seen a dollar van on the Q85 since like the 90's. What makes the Q4, Q5, Q111/113 so special lol?

 

Anyways I think it's a little unfair to the people who do it legally but honestly the Southeast Queens bus network isn't that great so they do help out a lot of people. I feel there's enough room for both legal and illegal vans but the illegal vans and drivers should get registered.

 

If the MTA wants them gone they should step their game up, no one likes waiting for a late bus(es) that's just gonna pass your stop because it's packed, the buses go slow on top of that.

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Doesn't the TLC regulate these dollar vans? What I want to know is how do these guys earn a profit with the high price of gas,insurance,van maintenance and repair,etc.

The licensed ones only. But anybody could buy a 15 seater and then ply a route. I've seen many around East Broadway and Market.

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Hence why I don't take dollar vans. I'll rough it out on the bus.

 

Same here. There's a plethora of them on Flatbush Avenue in Brooklyn and things can get pretty nasty. B41 ftw.

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Theres also a little epidemic going on especially in jamaica queens; car service cabs with NJ plates picking up passengers in town cars. I guess they don't want to pay for the tlc license and any other paperwork they may need.

Don't get in a cab with Jersey plates, they get in an accident its your ass.

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Theres also a little epidemic going on especially in jamaica queens; car service cabs with NJ plates picking up passengers in town cars. I guess they don't want to pay for the tlc license and any other paperwork they may need.

Don't get in a cab with Jersey plates, they get in an accident its your ass.

 

Wow, that's a shocker.

 

Thanks for pointing that out.

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Other areas of the city that also have gypsy vans and cars not mentioned in article I know or have heard that also has them. Correct me guys if i am wrong.:confused::eek:

 

Upper Manhattan/Washington Heights along Broadway

 

Wakefield area along WP Road (2) stations between Pelham Pwy. and Mt Vernon border.

 

Riverdale/Broadway between 242 St (1)station and Yonkers.

 

*This is a reason why either Bee Line or the (MTA) should arrange for some form of overnight hourly bus service to at least Getty Sq/Yonkers and also to the Downtown Mt Vernon(Mt Vernon East)station as well.*

 

Utica and Nostrand Aves.in Brooklyn.

 

Church Ave in Brooklyn between Flatbush and Utica.

 

3rd Ave and also along Webster especially late nights between the 149th/Hub area (2) station and Fordham.

 

Mermaid/Surf Aves. in Coney Island between Stillwell Terminal (D)(N)(Q)(R) and Sea Gate enterence on West 37th.

 

I am sure B35 has alot to say about this article/issue since he lives in area filled with these vans and cabs.

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Doesn't the TLC regulate these dollar vans?

 

What I want to know is how do these guys earn a profit with the high price of gas,insurance,van maintenance and repair,etc.

 

a) a LOT of these dollar van drivers have other side hustles

 

:P the ones that don't run all day, know when (what times) to run, to where they can make the most amt. of money in a short amt. of time....

(the ones that run alllllll day are the ones who are barely breaking even, or are runnin in the red

{they run the red also, but that's somethin else... lol})

 

c) here's a shocker... some dollar cab drivers network...

if you ever notice, they have no problem telling you to jump into another cab, if they're not going as far as they think you might be going.... that happens to me quite a bit; since I need to get to E 18th for the (:), the cabs reach Nostrand & then ask how far am I going.... I say E 18th, and they're like nah, catch the next cab...

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War is an overstatement, but it is certainly ugly: tires slashed, windshields shattered, fists thrown, insults hurled and rules ignored as drivers across Queens and Brooklyn fight over fares.

 

I've heard of no such thing happening w/ dollar van drivers here in Brooklyn.

A lot of ones that run up/down flatbush av all converse w/ each other, when they line up over there on flatbush b/w av U & av T (or w/e that next street is)....

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Theres also a little epidemic going on especially in jamaica queens; car service cabs with NJ plates picking up passengers in town cars. I guess they don't want to pay for the tlc license and any other paperwork they may need.

Don't get in a cab with Jersey plates, they get in an accident its your ass.

 

IDK about the day time however late @ night like between 12 & 4 AM @ Jamaica LIRR Station, I see far worse. I tend to see any car with non-livery plates taking fares. I have seen many different types of cars pick up fares, including small cars. Thats on top of Town Cars with NJ & PA Non Livery Plates! Once I saw a Toyota Corolla with South Carolina Plates pick up a fare as well!

I see all of this as there are often guys position every few feet shouting and/or asking "Taxi Taxi!". When a person accepts their call, they get escorted over to a car. You also got those that will be rolling up to any bus stop around Sutphin/Archer with the driver asking if they need a taxi. Usually during the daytime hours, the cabs tend to compete with the Q6. Usually you see your typical car models thats well used as Taxis(Town Car, Crown Vic, ETC). When it comes to the late night hours, it's pretty much every man for their self!

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I tend to see any car with non-livery plates taking fares. I have seen many different types of cars pick up fares, including small cars.

 

This practice is happening on Church av, as well....

People using their "personal vehicles", to pick up passengers during the day/night....

 

Those are the ones I wave off & let drive along....

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I havent taken a dollar van in years but If I needed a ride,I`ll wait it out for the bus.Now if people remember the bus schedule and give themselves 5 minutes to get to the stop,then no need for a dollar van.Those things are dangerous and densely packed.

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I havent taken a dollar van in years but If I needed a ride,I`ll wait it out for the bus.Now if people remember the bus schedule and give themselves 5 minutes to get to the stop,then no need for a dollar van.Those things are dangerous and densely packed.

 

 

St Louie that the problem. The buses most of the time on busy streets always run late especially during the PM Rush Hours. And most New Yorkers are always in hurray and need to get to point a-point asap.:eek:

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I take the Dollar Vans more often than not from Rosedale to Jamaica Center, about 3 out of 5 times a week because I HATE the Q111 and Q113 coming from Jamaica and I will admit, the driving is reckless but compared to 25 - 40 minutes on the Q111, these drivers cut the time in half and ALOT of people get off by the time I reach my stop, 230th place & 147th avenue.

 

Also, when I'm late in the mornings, I ride the dollar vans, but as to whose licensed and whose unlicensed, I won't be able to tell because the vans all look the same, all have their designs and country flags in them.

 

I personally also haven't seen any drivers "fight it out" or get into a confrontation, but I'll assume they occur on the Merrick Lines?

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Other areas of the city that also have gypsy vans and cars not mentioned in article I know or have heard that also has them. Correct me guys if i am wrong.:confused::eek:

 

Upper Manhattan/Washington Heights along Broadway

 

Wakefield area along WP Road (2) stations between Pelham Pwy. and Mt Vernon border.

 

Riverdale/Broadway between 242 St (1)station and Yonkers.

 

*This is a reason why either Bee Line or the (MTA) should arrange for some form of overnight hourly bus service to at least Getty Sq/Yonkers and also to the Downtown Mt Vernon(Mt Vernon East)station as well.*

 

Utica and Nostrand Aves.in Brooklyn.

 

Church Ave in Brooklyn between Flatbush and Utica.

 

3rd Ave and also along Webster especially late nights between the 149th/Hub area (2) station and Fordham.

 

Mermaid/Surf Aves. in Coney Island between Stillwell Terminal (D)(N)(Q)(R) and Sea Gate enterence on West 37th.

 

I am sure B35 has alot to say about this article/issue since he lives in area filled with these vans and cabs.

The ubiquitous Chinese commuter vans in Chinatown, Bensonhurst and Flushing. They come as 8 seaters, 15 seaters or even minibuses. They are a PITA for regular drivers.

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I take the Dollar Vans more often than not from Rosedale to Jamaica Center, about 3 out of 5 times a week because I HATE the Q111 and Q113 coming from Jamaica and I will admit, the driving is reckless but compared to 25 - 40 minutes on the Q111, these drivers cut the time in half and ALOT of people get off by the time I reach my stop, 230th place & 147th avenue.

 

Also, when I'm late in the mornings, I ride the dollar vans, but as to whose licensed and whose unlicensed, I won't be able to tell because the vans all look the same, all have their designs and country flags in them.

 

I personally also haven't seen any drivers "fight it out" or get into a confrontation, but I'll assume they occur on the Merrick Lines?

iirc the licensed vans are supposed to have special TLC license plates and the little circle sticker with the TLC on it that says its approved

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