Might This Be A Good Or Bad Idea For The West End?

[EE Broadway Local]

With the (M2) going to Sixth Avenue, might this be a good or bad idea for the West End: Extend the from Broad Street to Bay Parkway to provide a little rush hour supplemental service for the and a Nassau Street option?

[553 Bridgeton]

I actually wuldnt mind the going to Bay Pkwy, however I dont think there is enough R160s for that.

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[checkmatechamp13]

Not all of it, though. The saves on the costs of running 1 Nassau Street service between Essex Street and Broad Street, and has some of the increased ridership from the to boot.

It would probably reduce the savings from $4 million to maybe $800,000.

 

At this point, the needs all the money it could get. Saving an extra $3.2 million is $3.2 million that doesn't have to be cut from somewhere else.

[KTrainExp]

I wouldn't mind seeing that happen, but I don't know if that's the most economically friendly idea, even if there was no recession. The (M2) along Bay Parkway is practically empty after it hits 4th Avenue. The can pick up most of the riders along West End. However, having some extra service to help the along 4th avenue is good. I would like some sort of local service to happen, but not if it means going to Bay Parkway. If anything turn that train around at 9th avenue or Bay Ridge.

[MTR Admiralty]

Wouldn't it be too long? And plus you have a fixed number of cars (should I say, 4-car sets) available at ENY. If you spread them all out on a line like that with the same number of trains, intervals would be unnecessarily longer.

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[NX Express]

The whole skip-stop scheme is that trains stay in order. One line longer than the other would disrupt this balance.

[MTR Admiralty]

when the J was extended to 95th street after 9/11, it was the longest all local line in the system.

 

this plan would also make a giant mess out of the Z's operating plan.

But it was never permanent. That was only done because there was enough debris on the tracks at Cortlandt and vicinity to make it unsafe for trains to go through. After the clean up, they got the N and R up ASAP.

[Guest Charles]

If any new service were to be implemented I feel that 4th avenue should get it before West End does. The seems fine by itself, the does not.

[MTR Admiralty]

If any new service were to be implemented I feel that 4th avenue should get it before West End does. The seems fine by itself, the does not.

Well, it can't terminate with 4th proper, unless you're talking about Bay Ridge.

[2Line1291]

The and <R> could share cars and swap at Bay Ridge if it were to terminate at Bay Ridge.

[SubwayGuy]

Seeing as the goal of the new service pattern is to...save money, and this would...spend money...no

[MTR Admiralty]

The and <R> could share cars and swap at Bay Ridge if it were to terminate at Bay Ridge.

Could the <R> run full length trains?

[2Line1291]

 

Could the <R> run full length trains?

I don't know if Nassau St line can handle 10 60-foot cars or 8 75-foot cars. I'm saying after we rebound from the cuts and there's still need for another 4th Av Local or service to Nassau St Line then a <R> rush hour like service can run from Chambers to Bay Ridge

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[MTR Admiralty]

SubwayGuy's right about this: asides from adding additional and services, if there was money for the <R> or any similar services, some of these cuts won't have happened. I mean fine, if the merger had happened like 3 years ago, then sure, have something like the <R> to substitute for it. But we are in a time when the MTA is facing budget shortfall after budget shortfall.

[Shortline Bus]

With the (M2) going to Sixth Avenue, might this be a good or bad idea for the West End: Extend the from Broad Street to Bay Parkway to provide a little rush hour supplemental service for the and a Nassau Street option?

 

Actually before the world found out that the new (M2) merger would be called the via 6th Ave, I made a topic on similar suggestion idea.

 

This idea EE Local only works is 1)the eastbound terminal is shortned to Broadway Jct. 2) runs peak direction all day weekdays between Marcy and Bway Jct.

 

And here is link.

 

http://www.nyctransitforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17169&page=3

[SubwayGuy]

SubwayGuy's right about this: asides from adding additional and services, if there was money for the <R> or any similar services, some of these cuts won't have happened. I mean fine, if the merger had happened like 3 years ago, then sure, have something like the <R> to substitute for it. But we are in a time when the MTA is facing budget shortfall after budget shortfall.

 

Subwayguy is always right just admit it

[Luis1985]

i would like to see the run via West End, but you would have to look at the following:

 

1) Is there enough trains to extend the to and from Bay Parkway station during rush hours?

 

2) Is there enough money for it to actually happen?

 

3) The is a long line as it is. The runs between Jamaica Center and Broad St during rush hours. They may seem like quick stops, but that ride itself between Jamaica Center and Broad St is at least 40-60 mins long, with the following expectations:

 

-(M2) trains crosses in front of at Myrtle Av-Broadway in both directions (which delays service at times),

-(M2) trains crosses in front of at Chambers St to go from the regular track to the middle track, which also delays service. (6/28/10 the new will go from the regular track to the new Chrystie St connection at Essex St),

 

Lets not forget the also runs with slow speeds between Cypress Hills and Cresent St, and between Alabama Av and Broadway Junction.

 

Like i said, it would be nice, but if they're going to extend the to Bay Parkway, which was pointless to even take out the (M2), but lets see.

[Eric B]

If they ever have Nassau-Southern division service again, it should probably not be through-routed with the East, and just go to Chambers and drop out. If they do further cuts first, and eliminate the , then that letter would be freed up for the service.

 

Otherwise, they could either return to CiYD (providing acess to downtown Brooklyn with a transfer), or perhaps they could continue to ENYD to lay up for the midday, like some of the old TT's did, and b asically what the reverse peak does now.

[bstar1]

May be they could have the start from Bway Junction(AM/PM peak direction exp) to Marcy(Vice-Versa). Then it could run normal service to Bay Pkwy. Meanwhile the would remain local from Broad or Chambers to Jamaica Center.

[Kacie Jane]

Seeing as the goal of the new service pattern is to...save money, and this would...spend money...no

 

To expand on that.... Would it be a good idea? Yes, probably. I predict we'll find out pretty quickly that we need more 4th Avenue local service than just the , and it would probably make a lot of people (railfans and the the people who actually use the line alike) happy if it was a Nassau service. But it's not going to happen anytime soon. The OP didn't make it clear whether he meant now, or after the economy gets better.

 

The whole skip-stop scheme is that trains stay in order. One line longer than the other would disrupt this balance.

 

If they ever have Nassau-Southern division service again, it should probably not be through-routed with the East, and just go to Chambers and drop out. If they do further cuts first, and eliminate the , then that letter would be freed up for the service.

 

Otherwise, they could either return to CiYD (providing acess to downtown Brooklyn with a transfer), or perhaps they could continue to ENYD to lay up for the midday, like some of the old TT's did, and b asically what the reverse peak does now.

 

I concur that there might be some problems with extending the to southern Brooklyn (whether it's Bay Ridge, 9 Av, or Bay Parkway), most importantly the skip-stop issue. If a gets delayed down south, and Jamaica Line riders start to see 2-3 trains in a row, it defeats the purpose of the system. It would probably make more sense to bring back the <R> (or use a different letter), having it drop out at Chambers Street, or have it terminate at Eastern Parkway or Metropolitan instead.

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