CHItransitFan88 Posted February 5, 2011 Share #101 Posted February 5, 2011 Can we get New route summaries? Also maybe you should just start posting PDF files for download. Also are any of the proposed line going to be at grade suface lines? and what do we do about yards for these lines? you can go on about this being a fantasy map but really matters is how to make it a reality. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alargule Posted February 5, 2011 Share #102 Posted February 5, 2011 As a result, I don't anticipate there being many riders on the who got on in the Bronx and stay on after 145th St. A few, certainly, but the is not the most crowded line in the system in northern Manhattan or on CPW. As a result, I don't think there would be any need for shorter headways. Hmm...I'm not so sure. The east-west extension of the through the Bronx would result in different traveling patterns as compared to current traveling patterns, for riders coming from the Bronx with destinations close to Eighth Avenue Line stops. I believe the would see more than just 'a few' more riders staying on the train south of 145 St. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NX Express Posted February 5, 2011 Share #103 Posted February 5, 2011 Hmm...I'm not so sure. The east-west extension of the through the Bronx would result in different traveling patterns as compared to current traveling patterns, for riders coming from the Bronx with destinations close to Eighth Avenue Line stops. I believe the would see more than just 'a few' more riders staying on the train south of 145 St. They could transfer to the ( for service to CPW and then transfer to the . It's faster than your circuitous route. Also, the crews will hate it. I also suggest merging the two stops on the with transfers to the and . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alargule Posted February 5, 2011 Share #104 Posted February 5, 2011 ...your circuitous route. My circuitous route? :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJSm Posted February 6, 2011 Author Share #105 Posted February 6, 2011 I also suggest merging the two stops on the with transfers to the ( and . Seems like a good idea. Can we get New route summaries? Also maybe you should just start posting PDF files for download. Also are any of the proposed line going to be at grade suface lines? and what do we do about yards for these lines? you can go on about this being a fantasy map but really matters is how to make it a reality. lol I have the route summaries all designed in my head. It takes forever to put them down in text, so I've been putting it off. A few lines are at-grade in parts. The in SE Queens runs along an LIRR right-of-way, for example. The P also uses a current rail right-of-way and would run on the surface in Astoria and the South Bronx. The 8 might run on the surface along the LIE, too, although it might have to go underground to fit a full three tracks in. I'm also replacing a lot of elevated lines with underground ones, especially along the Jamaica Line (which would now run under Atlantic Ave after Rockaway Blvd) but also tearing down the Liberty Ave El and replacing it with the Linden Blvd Line, and tearing down the Myrtle Ave El and replacing it with the Myrtle/Gates Ave Line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJSm Posted February 8, 2011 Author Share #106 Posted February 8, 2011 Got Imageshack to stop resizing the image, so I'm posting it now. No changes have been made since the previous map. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NX Express Posted February 8, 2011 Share #107 Posted February 8, 2011 My circuitous route? :confused: I mean that there are faster alternatives to the UWS/Midtown than the , like the . EDIT: Sorry, I got you confused with someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roadcruiser1 Posted February 9, 2011 Share #108 Posted February 9, 2011 Don't call me a foamer here, but you can serve Dyker Heights with a train extension from Church Avenue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72Main Posted February 10, 2011 Share #109 Posted February 10, 2011 First things first, I'd like to say to BJSm that this is an awesome map and that you've definitely put a ton of thought into this... now having said that I have some ideas, feel free to rebut them if need be... 1) Creation of a new line ( lets call it X for now) That would begin at 11av & 34st. and follow the till Bedford Av. After Bedford Av the line would turn south under Franklin Av. and connect to the Franklin Av ROW (the Current Franklin Av. station would gave to be rebuilt underground). Tunneling will be short (12-13 blocks with the portal being where the former Dean St. station was) with the provision for a station (Gates Av.) built in. The X will follow the Franklin Av. line till Prospect Park station (a 2nd track would have to be re-added north of Botanical Garden and the S-curve north of Prospect Park would have to be seriously re-worked) where it would immediately join the Brighton Line as a local and terminate at Brighton Beach. Pros: Gives Coney Island and Sheepshead Bay residents access to North Brooklyn and LIC and gives them connections to all east-west Brooklyn trunk routs, and a connection to the Myrtle Av. M line (at Myrtle av.) which they didn't have before. Also provides a north-south Brooklyn route that is closer to Manhattan, therefore easier to access. Cons: Conversion of the entire Franklin Av. Line (and stations) to accommodate full-length (600 ft.) IND trains (shouldn't be too much of a problem, as the stations were once full-length); Conversion of Park Place station to a 2-track station; Conversion and/or elimination of S-bend in the portal north of Prospect Park; the NIMBY's; Access to Queens neligible at best 2) Cutting back the to Voorhies Av.-Sheepshead Bay. Honestly...the 5 going to Brighton Beach seems kind of redundant as most residents probably wouldn't take it, seeing as the stops it serves would probably be better served by adding buses, plus the ( would be faster to Manhattan 3) Extension of either the O or K to Throgs Neck. 4) Split the northern terminus of the by sending some Rush Hour and Midday trains to Co-op City. It would give Co-op City residents access to the rest of the Bronx without having to transfer 5)Cut the ( back to Bedford Park Blvd and extend the to 233rd-Edenwald well..thats it for now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted February 10, 2011 Share #110 Posted February 10, 2011 In terms of the on Jerome Avenue, it might make sense to run that to Woodlawn like the (2)/(5) does now where the goes to Wakefield and the stops at Nereid Av. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJSm Posted February 10, 2011 Author Share #111 Posted February 10, 2011 In terms of the on Jerome Avenue, it might make sense to run that to Woodlawn like the (2)/(5) does now where the goes to Wakefield and the stops at Nereid Av. Well, with the extension to Woodlawn Heights in particular, I think it has to be the rather than the reaching the northern end. Remember, Nereid Ave and Wakefield are very close to each other, so walking to Nereid Ave to get the express is that not weird, and I think there is a major bus hub there for buses from Westchester. Not so for the Woodlawn and Woodlawn Heights stops. Why do you think it would be better the other way around? (Also working on a few changes to the map. I am finally giving up on the Manhattan Beach extension of the , for what it's worth.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted February 11, 2011 Share #112 Posted February 11, 2011 Well, with the extension to Woodlawn Heights in particular, I think it has to be the rather than the reaching the northern end. Remember, Nereid Ave and Wakefield are very close to each other, so walking to Nereid Ave to get the express is that not weird, and I think there is a major bus hub there for buses from Westchester. Not so for the Woodlawn and Woodlawn Heights stops. Why do you think it would be better the other way around? (Also working on a few changes to the map. I am finally giving up on the Manhattan Beach extension of the , for what it's worth.) I didn't mean to flip the and , I meant to extend the to Woodlawn so that riders can make the bus connections to the (Bx16), (Bx34), BxM4, and the Bee-Line 4 and 20/21. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJSm Posted February 11, 2011 Author Share #113 Posted February 11, 2011 Ah, okay. That works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted February 11, 2011 Share #114 Posted February 11, 2011 Ah, okay. That works. Yeah. The organization of it would be weird because Woodlawn only has two tracks... you could extend it to Woodlawn Heights if you wanted. I really think the to the Rockaways is just too much, and even though the ridership out there is low, a shuttle would still better serve the area. Also, a service guide would really be great; I'm looking over this and just wishing I could understand it better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJSm Posted February 16, 2011 Author Share #115 Posted February 16, 2011 I really think the to the Rockaways is just too much, and even though the ridership out there is low, a shuttle would still better serve the area. I would have half of the (V)s short-turn at Kings Plaza. The is a pretty long line, but it is express along the Utica Ave route (with only a few stops), so it's not as painfully long as it looks. Also, a service guide would really be great; I'm looking over this and just wishing I could understand it better. Sort of waiting for when I get everything finished, especially as I have some odd service patterns (along the lower Culver Line, for example). But I will post one soon. Anyway, will have a new map posted this evening with a few of the suggested changes (and the elimination of the , which I finally decided wasn't worth it). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJSm Posted February 17, 2011 Author Share #116 Posted February 17, 2011 And, the promised update. Yes, that's a split end for the in Brooklyn. Really, the Franklin Ave Shuttle ought to be eliminated if it isn't going to be combined with a line that actually goes somewhere, so I did just that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NX Express Posted February 17, 2011 Share #117 Posted February 17, 2011 Just leave the as is. It needs the reliability it has now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted February 17, 2011 Share #118 Posted February 17, 2011 Don't see why eliminating the Franklin was necessary. Also, why not run the M to 125th St on the west side? Stopping it at 116th St seems awkward. Other notes: doesn't need to be split I'd swap the and Y. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheArr Posted February 17, 2011 Share #119 Posted February 17, 2011 I'd leave the Franklin Avenue shuttle alone. It works fine as is and lengthening its stations to accommodate 300 foot trains would be a waste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJSm Posted February 20, 2011 Author Share #120 Posted February 20, 2011 Outline of service, taking into account the removal of the branch and the M to Broadway/125th St. Broadway/7th Ave Local Mosholu Ave to South Ferry, all times Broadway/7th Ave Express White Plains Rd Local Nostrand Ave Local Wakefield to Kings Hwy, all times; late nights extended to Voorhies Ave Late nights local Broadway-7th Ave Express Jerome Ave Local Eastern Pkwy Local Woodlawn to New Lots Ave, all times except late nights Late nights runs from Woodlawn to 34th St via local Lexington Ave Express Jerome Ave Express Eastern Pkwy Express Woodlawn Heights to Howard Beach, all times Late nights local Lexington Ave Express Dyre Local (some trains express at rush hour) Nostrand Ave Express Eastchester to Sheepshead Bay, all times except late nights Late nights runs from Eastchester to 180th St Rush hours some trains start at Nereid Ave, run express on White Plains Rd Lexington Ave Local Pelham Local (some trains express at rush hour) Pelham Bay Park to Brooklyn Bridge, all times 42nd St Local Flushing Local (some trains express at rush hour) Little Neck to 23rd St, all times (8) 42nd St Local Long Island Local (some trains express at rush hour) Oakland Gardens to 23rd St, all times 8th Ave Express Fordham Local Union Turnpike Express Throgs Neck to Glen Oaks, all times Late nights local 8th Ave Local Fulton Local Far Rockaway Local (some trains) Washington Heights to Far Rockaway, all times except late nights Late nights runs from Far Rockaway to Cross Bay Blvd All times except late nights, some trains on Fulton Line terminate at Cross Bay Blvd 8th Ave Local Queens Blvd Express Fulton Express 224th St to JFK Airport, all times Late nights local on the Fulton Line ( 6th Ave Express CPW Local Grand Concourse Local Brighton Express Edenwald to Brighton Beach, weekdays Late nights and weekends, no service 6th Ave Express CPW Express Grand Concourse Express 4th Ave/West End Express Edenwald to Coney Island, all times Late nights local on Grand Concourse 6th Ave Local Queens Blvd Express Culver Local Florham Park to Kings Hwy, all times Late nights local Late nights and weekends terminates at Church Av 6th Ave Local Queens Blvd Local Utica Ave Express Jamaica to Far Rockaway, all times except late nights Late nights runs from Herald Square to Far Rockaway via local 34th St Local Culver Local 11th Ave to Church Ave, all times H 34th St Local Randalls Island Local Co-op City to 11th Ave, all times Nassau St Local Broadway/Atlantic Ave Local Broad St to Sutphin Blvd, all times Late nights and weekends extended to Rosedale via local Late nights, some trains to Springfield Gardens via Rockaway Blvd Local Nassau St Local Broadway/Atlantic Ave Express Broad St to Rosedale, weekdays Late nights and weekends, no service K 10th Ave Local Northern Blvd Local Utica Ave Local 35th Ave to Kings Plaza, all times except late nights Late nights, no service (Flushing Ave stop is closed late nights; alternatively, I might get rid of that stop entirely as it's a little redundant.) 10th Ave Express Northern Blvd Express Canarsie Express College Point to Canarsie, all times Late nights via local O 10th Ave Local Northern Blvd Local Canarsie/Atlantic Ave/Rockaway Blvd Local 35th Ave to Springfield Gardens, all times except late nights Late nights, no service (Rockaway Blvd Local served by ) M 2nd Ave Local 125th St Local Union Turnpike Local Broadway/125th St to Bell Blvd, all times except late nights Late nights, no service 2nd Ave Express 3rd Ave Local Fulton Express via Atlantic Ave Bypass Gun Hill Rd to Cambria Heights, all times Late nights via local Y 2nd Ave Express Throgs Neck Local Culver Express via Clinton St Bypass Throgs Neck to Coney Island, all times Late nights via local Broadway Express Bayside/Astoria Express 4th Ave/Sea Beach Express Bayside to Coney Island, all times Late nights local Broadway Express 2nd Ave Local Brighton Local Broadway/125th St to Coney Island, all times Broadway Local Queens Blvd Local 4th Ave/Bay Ridge Local Farmers Blvd to Bay Ridge, all times except late nights Late nights runs from Bay Ridge to 59th St (Brooklyn) Broadway Local Bayside/Astoria Local 4th Ave/West End Local 154th St to Bay Pkwy, all times except late nights Late nights, no service Note on the Culver Line Okay, so this is the most complicated design on the map. The and meet up on the Culver Local as usual at Bergen St. At Smith-9th St, the Y joins the Culver Express (although it does not stop at Smith-9th as the express does not). The Y then runs express with the F & G local until Church Ave. At Church Ave, the G terminates. The Y continues express in the peak direction only while switching to local on the off-peak direction (and is local both directions late nights and weekends). Late nights and weekends, the F terminates at Church Ave with the G. On the weekdays, the F continues local in both directions to Kings Hwy. At Kings Hwy, the F terminates and the Y continues local in both directions to Coney Island. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Subway Posted July 2, 2011 Share #121 Posted July 2, 2011 Some ideas: 1: The is currently useless. Instead of making it go with the , (I forget the name of that line) why not extend it into SI along the North Shore Branch, and terminate it at Newark Terminal? Also, a local that long is not gonna work. Make the local in Manhattan to make the a faster express. 2: Where is the rockaway ? Either give the split terminals, or bring it back. There are people near 105th st. who would like service to Broad Channel without transfering. 3: Switch the roles of the and in brooklyn, just nostalgia talking. Plus people in lefferts don't want a local, similar to Astoria. 4:Is it possible to extend the past the New Lots Yard? 5: Please rename the (O). Not all the consonants have been used yet, so why go into vowels already? Plus, O looks like 0, which is the formal designation for the 42 st Shuttle. 6: doesn't stop at Jamaica Center, which it should. Or is it on an entirely different line now, thus bypassing this station? Also, bring back the skip-stop. 7 Too many lines stopping at Atlantic Ave. Let me count: , , , , (, , , , , , and I think the might stop there as well, but I'm not sure. More line variation is needed, or make some of those trains bypass Atlantic; similar to 59th St.-Columbus Circle, where the (© stop was express, but the 7th Ave lines ran local. 8: Where is the labeling for Bowling Green on the Lex Av Line? 9: Is an stop on Randalls Island really needed? Especially if the people there want manhattan? Make the diverge there instead or as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quill Depot Posted July 2, 2011 Share #122 Posted July 2, 2011 Some ideas: 1: The is currently useless. Instead of making it go with the , (I forget the name of that line) why not extend it into SI along the North Shore Branch, and terminate it at Newark Terminal? Also, a local that long is not gonna work. Make the local in Manhattan to make the a faster express. 2: Where is the rockaway ? Either give the split terminals, or bring it back. There are people near 105th st. who would like service to Broad Channel without transfering. 3: Switch the roles of the and in brooklyn, just nostalgia talking. Plus people in lefferts don't want a local, similar to Astoria. 4:Is it possible to extend the past the New Lots Yard? 5: Please rename the (O). Not all the consonants have been used yet, so why go into vowels already? Plus, O looks like 0, which is the formal designation for the 42 st Shuttle. 6: doesn't stop at Jamaica Center, which it should. Or is it on an entirely different line now, thus bypassing this station? Also, bring back the skip-stop. 7 Too many lines stopping at Atlantic Ave. Let me count: , , , , (, , , , , , and I think the might stop there as well, but I'm not sure. More line variation is needed, or make some of those trains bypass Atlantic; similar to 59th St.-Columbus Circle, where the (© stop was express, but the 7th Ave lines ran local. 8: Where is the labeling for Bowling Green on the Lex Av Line? 9: Is an stop on Randalls Island really needed? Especially if the people there want manhattan? Make the diverge there instead or as well. Um, I don't think you understand. Its a fantasy map. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Subway Posted July 2, 2011 Share #123 Posted July 2, 2011 Um, I don't think you understand. Its a fantasy map. Sorry if I sound overbearing, but I take fantasy maps very seriously. I like there to be some semblence of realism to them, not just random lines going everywhere. Did any of my ideas pass the scrutiny test? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The I Man Posted July 10, 2011 Share #124 Posted July 10, 2011 I like your map. I have been working on my own fantasy map for the past several years and if I can find the time to finish it, I will post it here first. My basic premise is that I use a start date of July 1, 1944 and play revisonist history from there on. Some of the items that are unique to my map are: 1- No 63 Street Subway Line-It isn't needed! 2- A four track Line via the Long Island Expressway. Local trains make all stops to the city line. Express trains, as part of the LIRR stop only At a station flanking the LIRR tracks that connects to the old Rockaway LIRR train for Airport access and at the city line. The LIRR tracks then continue on the Long Island Expressway Median to Nichols Road. 3- From a Branch of The Second Ave Subway (4 tracks) at South Ferry a tunnel UNDER THE NARROWS to St George, then via Victory Blvd all the way to Travis, with a branch headed northward to Richmond Terrace. 4- The Merging of Path into the subway system with free transfers between lines and extensions to both tube lines on both sides of the Hudson. There is so much more that I will let my map do the talking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Subway Posted July 10, 2011 Share #125 Posted July 10, 2011 I like your map. I have been working on my own fantasy map for the past several years and if I can find the time to finish it, I will post it here first. My basic premise is that I use a start date of July 1, 1944 and play revisonist history from there on. Some of the items that are unique to my map are: 1- No 63 Street Subway Line-It isn't needed! 2- A four track Line via the Long Island Expressway. Local trains make all stops to the city line. Express trains, as part of the LIRR stop only At a station flanking the LIRR tracks that connects to the old Rockaway LIRR train for Airport access and at the city line. The LIRR tracks then continue on the Long Island Expressway Median to Nichols Road. 3- From a Branch of The Second Ave Subway (4 tracks) at South Ferry a tunnel UNDER THE NARROWS to St George, then via Victory Blvd all the way to Travis, with a branch headed northward to Richmond Terrace. 4- The Merging of Path into the subway system with free transfers between lines and extensions to both tube lines on both sides of the Hudson. There is so much more that I will let my map do the talking. I would love to see your map. When will you be posting it? I love your "under the narrows" idea! When you do, maybe I can provide some ideas of my own to help. Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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