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Robert Bosco

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keep in mind that some BMT/IND lines enter each other's territory, technically making them both

 

the lines that are pure IND (stays only in IND territory) are:

(C)(E)(G)(V) (the (A) i dont know since portions of the A are former BMT and former LIR)

 

the lines that are pure BMT are:

(J)(L)(M)(N)(Q)(W)(Z)(S)

 

the (:D(D)(F)(R) and former (Q6) enter both BMT and IND land

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If you notice, the IND are mostly higher letters while the BMT are the lower letters. When the IND first opened up back in 1932, it was proposed that 1. single letters were express routes, and 2. double letters were local routes. The "odd" letters (A, AA, C, CC, and E) would run on 8 Avenue, while the "even" letters (B, D, F) would run on 6 Avenue when it opened up in 1940. There was no double letters on the 6 Avenue line since the F ran express in Queens.

 

There were originally 3 northern IND terminals, 168 Street/ 207 Street, Bedford Park Boulevard/ 205 Street, and 71 Avenue/ 179 Street. If you notice, the letters would go clockwise starting from upper Manhattan. That is how the A became the A because it runs on 8 Avenue and it started at 207 Street. The AA and B started at 168 Street. The C (which was actually an express at one point), CC, and D trains started up in the Bronx, and the E, F, and GG started in Queens. The GG has always been the Brooklyn- Queens crosstown line. There once was an HH train which went from Hoyt Street to Court Street (Transit Museum). That got discontinued because of low ridership. Keep in mind that the IND is only partially completed.

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Before the Chrystie Street connection opened up in 1967, the BMT originally used numbers. IIRC, it went as follows:

 

Brighton Line was the 1

4th Avenue was the 2

West End was the 3

Sea Beach was the 4

Culver was the 5

Franklin Avenue was the 7

Myrtle-Chambers was the 10

Fulton Street was the 13 (The part of the A train between 80 Street and Lefferts Boulevard is part of the old Fulton Street el and uses a different chaining code from the Fulton Street IND line)

Broadway Brooklyn was the 14

Jamaica was the 15

14 Street- Canarsie was the 16

 

Those lines got letters when the Chrystie Street connection opened in 1967 since that enabled IND lines to run on BMT territory.

 

check out this page too:

 

http://www.thejoekorner.com/lines/suball.htm

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keep in mind that some BMT/IND lines enter each other's territory, technically making them both

 

You mean to say the lines are IND but they can run on BMT trackage.

 

And they're referred to as the B Division now.

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If the Second Avenue Subway is built as planned, what would the new (T) be? The original (T) as a Broadway Express was B.M.T. as was the (TT) as a Nassau Street local.

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it should be considered its own division, the MTA Division, since it will be built by the MTA

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It will probably be part of the BMT. Since the (Q) is part of the BMT Broadway, and the Broadway will join 2nd Avenue, it will likely be just a long 'add on' section to the Broadway Line.

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It will probably be part of the BMT. Since the (Q) is part of the BMT Broadway, and the Broadway will join 2nd Avenue, it will likely be just a long 'add on' section to the Broadway Line.

Now, yes. Before that might've not been the case.

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