SoSpectacular Posted July 13, 2010 Share #26 Posted July 13, 2010 Lol they ain't UNLIMITED anymore, SMH ! If they involved the day passes in this you can call those fan trip days OVER! Unless you plan them well enough to keep costs low... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdi919 Posted July 13, 2010 Share #27 Posted July 13, 2010 Going out on a limb here, but I think it's about time. I always have thought that the unlimited ride was a big waste of money on the TA's part. Back in the days of tokens, there were no unlimited rides so I think people have no leg to stand on when they say this is a bad idea, getting rid of the unlimited card is a good idea, the introduction of it was a really bad idea. good point. they could also decide to go back to the days when you could not transfer from bus to train for free. i'm sure that would bring in revenue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdi919 Posted July 13, 2010 Share #28 Posted July 13, 2010 I forsee alot of future damage to MTA property and equipment coming up. Its a lose lose situation, they try to save money by screwing people over but they lose money in damages.... why would you want that to happen? havent enough employees been hurt because of stupid statements like that. its not the equipment that has to face the publics wrath, its us flesh and blood employees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amtrak7 Posted July 13, 2010 Share #29 Posted July 13, 2010 As far as we know now, only 7 and 30 day cards are affected. Daily and express cards will probably not be affected, the 14-day cards is just wait and see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova RTS 9147 Posted July 13, 2010 Share #30 Posted July 13, 2010 Going out on a limb here, but I think it's about time. I always have thought that the unlimited ride was a big waste of money on the TA's part. Back in the days of tokens, there were no unlimited rides so I think people have no leg to stand on when they say this is a bad idea, getting rid of the unlimited card is a good idea, the introduction of it was a really bad idea. Its imperative to remember that one of the original points of the unlimited card was to be a sort of discount for those who pay for it above the actual full fare. The knew exactly what they were doing when they implemented this, and if they want to get rid of it then get rid of it completely, as opposed to dragging out its demise. Btw, back when there were tokens, transfers lasted all day as opposed to just two hours as they do now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova RTS 9147 Posted July 13, 2010 Share #31 Posted July 13, 2010 I forsee alot of future damage to MTA property and equipment coming up. Its a lose lose situation, they try to save money by screwing people over but they lose money in damages.... Is there evidence to even suggest a correlation between vandalism incidents and fare increases? they could also decide to go back to the days when you could not transfer from bus to train for free. i'm sure that would bring in revenue. They could also go back to the days when the state helped to fund city transit. Oh wait..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted July 13, 2010 Share #32 Posted July 13, 2010 What would be defined as a "trip"? A single swipe, or with all the transfer rules applied? 3 trips per day is an odd number and shouldn't be used. Either 4 trips/day if the transfer rules apply, or 6 trips/day if they don't. I would think a "trip" would be a whole trip, including the transfer. When I dip my Student MetroCard in for my first bus, it says "Student OK", but when I dip it in for my second bus, it says "Transfer OK". I would assume the same would apply for the Unlimited MetroCard. (Ironically, it would have no more flexibility than a Student MetroCard). I don't think single day pass is being affected, doesn't say. I doubt that it would because it would be cheaper to buy by the the ride. $8.25/3 trips per day is $2.77, more than each ride costs individually, unless they put a 5 or 6 ride cap on the daily passes. Overall, I think that 90 rides per month is way too low. They say that the average commuter takes about 70 rides per month, but it isn't hard to imagine a scenario where somebody would go over the 90 ride limit. If somebody takes a bus to the subway and then another bus at the other end, and uses that method in both directions (4 rides per day), that means that those rides have to last them for 22 days, which barely covers all of the weekdays in a month. Also, there are people who use their Unlimited MetroCard throughout the day, like during their lunch break to travel to a restaurant. It isn't that hard to visualize a commuter who would need 150 rides per month between all of the possible scenarios. I don't know if I mentioned it here, but I think that there should be peak/off-peak pricing. If the MTA can encourage some people to travel off-peak, it can reduce peak service and replace it with added off-peak service which is less of a cost to run (you don't have all of the deadheads). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Messino Posted July 13, 2010 Share #33 Posted July 13, 2010 why would you want that to happen? havent enough employees been hurt because of stupid statements like that. its not the equipment that has to face the publics wrath, its us flesh and blood employees. Its not that I want it to happen, its already happening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Messino Posted July 13, 2010 Share #34 Posted July 13, 2010 Is there evidence to even suggest a correlation between vandalism incidents and fare increases? Maybe, just like the correlation when gas prices rise more beer/alcohol is consumed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted July 13, 2010 Share #35 Posted July 13, 2010 This is not going to "save" or "win them back" nearly as much money as they think... It won't even BE a drop in the bucket. Just an annoyance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LexAveExp5 Posted July 13, 2010 Share #36 Posted July 13, 2010 this is yet ANOTHER tax on the middle class! at least last year they hit drivers with the $25 tax on driver registrations. but most people who dont drive, CANT, because they cant afford it... duh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Railfaner100 Posted July 14, 2010 Share #37 Posted July 14, 2010 "Trip" is mostly used on Convience Pass.For them, they only have 8-trips for 1-day, Week or Monthly. I think it is bad idea MTA taking out to 90 trips are bad idea. There are lots of people like me take lots of bus and subway ride. Hey, never heard of speaking proper english, because i can hardly understand what you write and it's nearly impossible for others to make sense of what your saying. you seriously need to learn proper grammer in english when you are writing sentences, or otherwise don't even bother posting because your english sucks ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Louis Car 09 Posted July 14, 2010 Share #38 Posted July 14, 2010 Hey, never heard of speaking proper english, because i can hardly understand what you write and it's nearly impossible for others to make sense of what your saying. you seriously need to learn proper grammer in english when you are writing sentences, or otherwise don't even bother posting because your english sucks ass.Railfanner that wasnt even cool at all.And to say that to a fellow Japanese is just wrong.He`s just trying to post a statement like everybody else.SMH.:confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Railfaner100 Posted July 14, 2010 Share #39 Posted July 14, 2010 Railfanner that wasnt even cool at all.And to say that to a fellow Japanese is just wrong.He`s just trying to post a statement like everybody else.SMH.:confused: Seriously, that kid dosen't even know basic english grammer or dosen't make any sense at all when he is speaking. His english is like a dead zombie from the graveyard. I think he needs to go to a mentally retard school to practice the basic grammers of the english language, then rather running his mouth like a retarted robot from the kawasaki company plant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOURQuarterback12 Posted July 14, 2010 Share #40 Posted July 14, 2010 Of course those big shots dont give a damn, they get free passes to the MTA as they are employees...gotta love this shit huh Basically 90 rides for 30 days = 3 rides a day...in other words a student metro for $100 bucks Took the words right out of my mouth. Except for 6 rides on weekends. So basically the kids are given 'unlimited' metrocards if the cuts go through. Seriously, Albany politicians should have thought about the public and not themselves for publicity for funding $122 million for student cards. Cut the student metrocards. (Lets not go there, we have a thread on that already) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOURQuarterback12 Posted July 14, 2010 Share #41 Posted July 14, 2010 good point. they could also decide to go back to the days when you could not transfer from bus to train for free. i'm sure that would bring in revenue. Nah. A lot of people need to hop on a bus before getting to closest train station such as far out in eastern Queens and parts of farther out Brooklyn and Bronx. Thats not going to work. In Manhattan they probably should do that and also subway to bus in Manhattan because nowhere in Manhattan do you must access a bus first before trains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova RTS 9147 Posted July 14, 2010 Share #42 Posted July 14, 2010 I originally posted this as a separate thread, but another user informed me it was better to post what I said in this thread. Since the wants to severely curtail the unlimited metrocard (and thus make it limited), and add a $1 surcharge for new metrocards, then should the elimination of student metrocards be considered again? It's really unfair that we; the riding public have to subsidies the Department of Education's cheapness. It's bad enough that the state refuses to chip in when times are good (and seems hell bent on making the go bankrupt), but we the riders shouldn't be subsidizing other people's responsibilities (namely the city and the state). And while I'm on a pro diatribe, lets consider congestion pricing again (and this time actually implement it)! Maybe, just like the correlation when gas prices rise more beer/alcohol is consumed Now that correlation sounds accurate! In Manhattan they probably should do that and also subway to bus in Manhattan because nowhere in Manhattan do you must access a bus first before trains. There are actually places in Manhattan where you see a bus before a subway. In some spots (Lower East Side, West Side) you're actually looking at a twenty minute walk to the nearest subway station. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOURQuarterback12 Posted July 14, 2010 Share #43 Posted July 14, 2010 No, 10 minutes tops. Alphabet City and West Side and Battery Park City, 10 minutes shouldnt be a worry. For the West Side the extension is solving that and for East Side got that covered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EE Broadway Local Posted July 14, 2010 Share #44 Posted July 14, 2010 At $2.25 per ride, you need about forty rides to begin getting "free rides" with the Unlimited Monthly Metrocard. So a ninety ride monthly Metrocard (if you take all ninety rides) is still like fifty "free' rides, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOURQuarterback12 Posted July 14, 2010 Share #45 Posted July 14, 2010 Well the 'unlimited' cards need to be a bit cheaper price compared and ride compared to the pay per rides. The wholesale factor of higher quantities come through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova RTS 9147 Posted July 14, 2010 Share #46 Posted July 14, 2010 No, 10 minutes tops. Alphabet City and West Side and Battery Park City, 10 minutes shouldnt be a worry. For the West Side the extension is solving that and for East Side got that covered. The covers you to 345h and the for our neck of the woods (East Midtown/LES) is at least ten years away if it's coming at all. Battery Park city is good. West Side is 10 minutes, but a nice chunk of alphabet city is more than 10. Even then, it's still not good policy to make people pay double the fare to go from point a to point b, unless the enjoys bleeding money then go ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m7zanr160s Posted July 14, 2010 Share #47 Posted July 14, 2010 Of course those big shots dont give a damn, they get free passes to the MTA as they are employees...gotta love this shit huh Basically 90 rides for 30 days = 3 rides a day...in other words a student metro for $100 bucks Exactly. Maybe they make it a cute new neon color, too...? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m7zanr160s Posted July 14, 2010 Share #48 Posted July 14, 2010 What would be defined as a "trip"? A single swipe, or with all the transfer rules applied? 3 trips per day is an odd number and shouldn't be used. Either 4 trips/day if the transfer rules apply, or 6 trips/day if they don't. Back when I had a school pass, a transfer was included with every swipe or "trip". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRG Posted July 14, 2010 Share #49 Posted July 14, 2010 Back when I had a school pass, a transfer was included with every swipe or "trip". That's still done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QM1to6Ave Posted July 14, 2010 Share #50 Posted July 14, 2010 The unlimited card is a good way to keep people out of their cars and using mass transit instead, since one's mindset is that the ride is free when using an unlimited card. This move is going to push people more towards using their own vehicles to get places, especially when compounded with the thought of all of the newly crowded post-cuts trains and buses. Maybe some environmental group could help fund the unlimited metrocard instead of running around chasing after whaling boats and whatnot. (I have no belief this will ever happen though) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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