Art Vandelay Posted August 18, 2010 Share #101 Posted August 18, 2010 The R160 order was initially intended to replace a portion of the R32-R42 fleets with the eventual capability of replacing all if all options were taken. When R44 structural issues were initially found, they changed that to have the R44s retired first, but then, for political reasons, they pushed off the R44 retirement until the next order. It would not necessarily have been the R32s pushed off until the next order. at various times, the R32, R38, R40, and R42 fleets were all intended to be the last 60 foot SMEE fleet running. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric B Posted August 19, 2010 Share #102 Posted August 19, 2010 The R32s are 46 years old, People keep saying this, and seeing both numbers it makes me think of both car classes being discussed. So now, it just dawned on me that the reverse is true. The newest R46's are 32 years old! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted August 19, 2010 Share #103 Posted August 19, 2010 So for the 64 remaining R44s, they will be on the until retirement and the is just all R46s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted August 19, 2010 Share #104 Posted August 19, 2010 Also: The assignment of R160s to Jamaica had little to do with politics and a lot to do with the fact that Jamaica ran cars which were intended to be replaced, and that Jamaica has some of the busiest lines which require 60 foot cars, and that Jamaica could handle R160s. Car assignments are not the result of complaints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted August 19, 2010 Share #105 Posted August 19, 2010 Also: The assignment of R160s to Jamaica had little to do with politics and a lot to do with the fact that Jamaica ran cars which were intended to be replaced, and that Jamaica has some of the busiest lines which require 60 foot cars, and that Jamaica could handle R160s. Car assignments are not the result of complaints. That's true, the & combined needs at least 60 sets during rush hours (I could be wrong, its just a guess) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Queens Surface Posted August 19, 2010 Share #106 Posted August 19, 2010 That's true, the & combined needs at least 60 sets during rush hours (I could be wrong, its just a guess) 71 Trains in total for the & . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SubwayGuy Posted August 19, 2010 Share #107 Posted August 19, 2010 The discovered brake problems among the R32 fleet, and decided to retire them instead of the R44s. Those R32 brake problems were known about before the system survey came back for the R44's. The problem was only on the Phase II R32's which had the NYAB packages on them. Shortly after those cars were pulled, stripped, and scrapped, was when the system safety survey was done and the problems with the R44's were found. However by then it was too late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INDman Posted August 19, 2010 Share #108 Posted August 19, 2010 If you don't mind me asking, could the blame also be put on the company who overhauled the R32s, which were Morrisen-Knudsen? The R32s have bad A/C and the R42s have aged incredibly fast...could it be MKs fault why they are the way they are this day? I've noticed that the R40s have always had an incredible MDBF until the day they retired..maybe Sumitomo did something right while MK and GE didn't...the R32 GEs hit the dust first as well as the R38s. I really don't know. I would have to check to see if the A/C units were replaced or only overhauled. Many people who rode the R32s and R42s pre-GOH said that that A/Cs were great. TA management could be to blame too IF new A/C units were installed since they have always seemed too small to do the job. Also, the recent problems with the R32s started in July, the same July that has been the hottest on record. In order to keep temps. in the cars down, the A/C unit would have to run almost non stop. Do keep in mind though, that MK rebuilds out performed NYCT rebuilds. For what ever reason, NYCT did not do such a great job when it came to the brake packages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe C Posted August 19, 2010 Share #109 Posted August 19, 2010 Also: The assignment of R160s to Jamaica had little to do with politics and a lot to do with the fact that Jamaica ran cars which were intended to be replaced, and that Jamaica has some of the busiest lines which require 60 foot cars, and that Jamaica could handle R160s. Car assignments are not the result of complaints. I agree 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ MC Posted August 19, 2010 Share #110 Posted August 19, 2010 Please, watch the Nazi Banksters Crimes Ripple Effect at http://jforjustice.co.uk/banksters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted August 19, 2010 Share #111 Posted August 19, 2010 I agree 100%. It was Hlaf Politics and Half for what Av said, It does make sense for jamaica to have R160's, but to me 810 of them is too much, the don't really need all of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted August 19, 2010 Share #112 Posted August 19, 2010 If you don't mind me asking, could the blame also be put on the company who overhauled the R32s, which were Morrisen-Knudsen? The R32s have bad A/C and the R42s have aged incredibly fast...could it be MKs fault why they are the way they are this day? I've noticed that the R40s have always had an incredible MDBF until the day they retired..maybe Sumitomo did something right while MK and GE didn't...the R32 GEs hit the dust first as well as the R38s. MK did a Good job on the R32's, they also did a great job on the R26's and R42's, the R42's look like crap now because of the people who built them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INDman Posted August 19, 2010 Share #113 Posted August 19, 2010 It was Hlaf Politics and Half for what Av said, It does make sense for jamaica to have R160's, but to me 810 of them is too much, the don't really need all of them. You do know why the is 100% R160? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted August 19, 2010 Share #114 Posted August 19, 2010 You do know why the is 100% R160? Yeah I know why, 2 reasons, one of them is because more R46's got transferd and the 2nd reason was becasue of something very stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INDman Posted August 19, 2010 Share #115 Posted August 19, 2010 Yeah I know why, 2 reasons, one of them is because more R46's got transferd and the 2nd reason was becasue of something very stupid. And that is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe C Posted August 19, 2010 Share #116 Posted August 19, 2010 It was Hlaf Politics and Half for what Av said, It does make sense for jamaica to have R160's, but to me 810 of them is too much, the don't really need all of them. Well what else can Jamaica put on the ?most the R46 that were there are running on the line.and besides,it's not like all 810 R160's are just on the line.and they do need 810,they have them mostly on the and lines.politics had nothing to do Jamaica getting the R160's,they had cars that were gonna be replaced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted August 19, 2010 Share #117 Posted August 19, 2010 The two very stupid reasons I could think of are that A. If an R46 goes through BJ tracks, the eastern division is totally f**ked as you'd have to relay on the bridge (LOADS of fun to do during rush hour.) B. R46s take longer to load/unload than R160s(and for that matter, R32-42s) I can't think why either would be a problem on our busy subway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INDman Posted August 19, 2010 Share #118 Posted August 19, 2010 The two very stupid reasons I could think of are that A. If an R46 goes through BJ tracks, the eastern division is totally f**ked as you'd have to relay on the bridge (LOADS of fun to do during rush hour.) B. R46s take longer to load/unload than R160s(and for that matter, R32-42s) I can't think why either would be a problem on our busy subway... I know the main reason why the is 100% R160 is because of the line. I just wanted to see if Mr. Know-it-all knew that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRG Posted August 19, 2010 Share #119 Posted August 19, 2010 I know the main reason why the is 100% R160 is because of the line. I just wanted to see if Mr. Know-it-all knew that. Him and myself discussed that the week the cuts went into effect so I'm pretty sure he knew about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted August 19, 2010 Share #120 Posted August 19, 2010 I know YOU know that I just don't get how he could possibly think that is stupid! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRG Posted August 19, 2010 Share #121 Posted August 19, 2010 I know YOU know that I just don't get how he could possibly think that is stupid! It would be stupid due to the fact that a motorman who pulled into Essex with a 10-car R160 would get into the same amount of trouble as a motorman who pulled into Essex with a full consist of R46s. but it's much ado about nothing if you ask me since they'll slip an R46 in the mix every now and then.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Vandelay Posted August 19, 2010 Share #122 Posted August 19, 2010 It isnt about the crew getting in trouble. It is about what you can do with the train afterwards. You can run a 10 car R160 in the eastern division without any problem provided you are not in service. (Also- you can't turn at metropolitan.) With the R46 you really have no choice but relaying on the bridge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRG Posted August 19, 2010 Share #123 Posted August 19, 2010 It isnt about the crew getting in trouble. It is about what you can do with the train afterwards. You can run a 10 car R160 in the eastern division without any problem provided you are not in service. (Also- you can't turn at metropolitan.)With the R46 you really have no choice but relaying on the bridge I see what you mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32 3838 Posted August 19, 2010 Share #124 Posted August 19, 2010 I know the main reason why the is 100% R160 is because of the line. I just wanted to see if Mr. Know-it-all knew that. duh, I been Knew that, That's why I said because of something stupid, and yeah it would be hell on earth if the had to relay an R46 in the eastern divison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INDman Posted August 19, 2010 Share #125 Posted August 19, 2010 duh, I been Knew that, That's why I said because of something stupid, and yeah it would be hell on earth if the had to relay an R46 in the eastern divison. But it's not stupid, at least a train of 60ft cars could be brought on to the Eastern Div. and evacuated safely. No matter the car type, the T/O would be in deep shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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