R32 3838 Posted July 26, 2010 Share #101 Posted July 26, 2010 I didn't mean to quote you, that was actually for "East New York", I quoted the wrong post. But to answer your question about the 1999 RTSs, the sandblasting isn't so that they can send the buses elsewhere. This is to assure that these buses last some extra years in service. Sandblasting will remove any surface rust starting to show and then they'll undercoat (Paint) the bus' bulkheads and structure and more than likely, they'll just return to what ever depot they're assigned to. No prob, Yeah True, It would be funny to see one at Fresh Pond, I never seen one at FP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Louis Car 09 Posted July 26, 2010 Share #102 Posted July 26, 2010 Damn Orion why did you have to lose?!!!:mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted July 26, 2010 Share #103 Posted July 26, 2010 There's a bunch of Orions everywhere, I don't want anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metsfan Posted July 27, 2010 Share #104 Posted July 27, 2010 The old style is no longer being produced as far as I know. The order for DE40LFSR is now the standard spec for transit agencies serving in areas with both winter and summer weather. They are a bit heavier than their Orion or NABI counterparts, however they will last longer because of the more rugged design. This model in plain diesel is everywhere, the hybrid is also everywhere. I would not be shocked if they modified part of the option order to get a CNG hybrid. Also they could get a LNG driveset if they ever put a LNG fueling system at any of the depots. Whatever the case, this order effectively opens the door for New Flyer to the MTA and future orders made therein. As for the folks wanting frameless windows, not gonna happen. Too expensive, and somewhat impractical in a city that still has scrachitti problems. - A Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted July 27, 2010 Share #105 Posted July 27, 2010 Wirelessly posted via (Mozilla/5.0 (Danger hiptop 4.6; U; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050920) No prob, Yeah True, It would be funny to see one at Fresh Pond, I never seen one at FP. Believe it or not but some were delivered brand new to Fresh Pond. 505x (I forgot the exact number) to 5074 started out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lennyj17 Posted July 27, 2010 Share #106 Posted July 27, 2010 So I wonder if the order is before the 50 artics for PAT or behind seeing as the two agencies signed contracts with NF around the same time....NF was trying to "wow" PAT for the longest seeing as Pittsburgh is the probably only East Coast city without some type of NF brand running around....at the same time they wanted to make up with the Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted July 27, 2010 Author Share #107 Posted July 27, 2010 The old style is no longer being produced as far as I know. The order for DE40LFSR is now the standard spec for transit agencies serving in areas with both winter and summer weather. They are a bit heavier than their Orion or NABI counterparts, however they will last longer because of the more rugged design. This model in plain diesel is everywhere, the hybrid is also everywhere. I would not be shocked if they modified part of the option order to get a CNG hybrid. Also they could get a LNG driveset if they ever put a LNG fueling system at any of the depots. Whatever the case, this order effectively opens the door for New Flyer to the MTA and future orders made therein. As for the folks wanting frameless windows, not gonna happen. Too expensive, and somewhat impractical in a city that still has scrachitti problems. knows. - A At one time, (2008 IIRC) New Flyer was testing a CNG-Electric hybrid. I don't know what ever happened to it though. I will ask around, but I'm sure someone around here knows something. So I wonder if the order is before the 50 artics for PAT or behind seeing as the two agencies signed contracts with NF around the same time....NF was trying to "wow" PAT for the longest seeing as Pittsburgh is the probably only East Coast city without some type of NF brand running around....at the same time they wanted to make up with the Most likely PAT will, but I don't know. The MTA contract has not been finalized yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R22 Shoal Point Posted July 27, 2010 Share #108 Posted July 27, 2010 At one time, (2008 IIRC) New Flyer was testing a CNG-Electric hybrid. I don't know what ever happened to it though. I will ask around, but I'm sure someone around here knows something. The CNG-electric hybrid was launched in April 2008. It was an ISE project that ran for San Diego MTS. As far as I know it is still with MTS. ISE recently announced they are capable of producing CNG-electric hybrid systems for clients and are offering an improved version of the system tested with MTS. Perhaps we will see New Flyer produce a CE40LFR or XCE40 in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted July 28, 2010 Author Share #109 Posted July 28, 2010 The CNG-electric hybrid was launched in April 2008. It was an ISE project that ran for San Diego MTS. As far as I know it is still with MTS. ISE recently announced they are capable of producing CNG-electric hybrid systems for clients and are offering an improved version of the system tested with MTS. Perhaps we will see New Flyer produce a CE40LFR or XCE40 in the future. Thanks a lot for the info! I lost track of the progress in 2008. All this New Flyer talk reminded me of it. A CE40 or XCE40 would be the s***! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w8Hou Posted July 28, 2010 Share #110 Posted July 28, 2010 The CNG hybrid market is really not mature in the maket yet even with ISE is now offering. New Flyer still does not offer the option of ISE's CNG hybrid system yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted July 28, 2010 Author Share #111 Posted July 28, 2010 It is now confirmed. Due to the structure of the LFR not being approved by New York, the CNG order calls for C40LF's! If the new LFR structure does not get approval, the order will stand as is! This get's more interesting by the day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Posted July 28, 2010 Share #112 Posted July 28, 2010 It is now confirmed. Due to the structure of the LFR not being approved by New York, the CNG order calls for C40LF's! If the new LFR structure does not get approval, the order will stand as is! This get's more interesting by the day! Wait Wait Wait Wait, hold up. Ok, wait. The structure of the LFR is the SAME structure on the LF. The LFR is just a new shell around the old designed frame, that's all it is, new plastic body pieces. New Flyer already made it know that the LF is no longer available for orders unless the bidder is willing to pay an inflated price for the old face Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted July 28, 2010 Author Share #113 Posted July 28, 2010 Wait Wait Wait Wait, hold up. Ok, wait. The structure of the LFR is the SAME structure on the LF. The LFR is just a new shell around the old designed frame, that's all it is, new plastic body pieces. New Flyer already made it know that the LF is no longer available for orders unless the bidder is willing to pay an inflated price for the old face I don't get it either, but I got this straight from New Flyer! I thought it was essentially the same bus, with a different front end. But I guess there are more changes underneath that we thought. This also makes me think about Cait Sith's post on the buses not being built as well as they used too. I'm telling you, this get's crazier everyday. And on a side note, the MTA officially awarded the contract to New Flyer this morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Posted July 28, 2010 Share #114 Posted July 28, 2010 I don't get it either, but I got this straight from New Flyer! I thought it was essentially the same bus, with a different front end. But I guess there are more changes underneath that we thought. This also makes me think about Cait Sith's post on the buses not being built as well as they used too. I'm telling you, this get's crazier everyday. And on a side note, the MTA officially awarded the contract to New Flyer this morning. The issues NFI has been having with its recent coaches have been the ones built WITH the LF face (i.e. Chicago...). Now see New Flyer discontinued that face, now here we go with 2002-2003 all over again. Because if we take the option buses and New Flyer feels some kinda way again and says well the rest of the order will be built with the LFR face, then we're back to square one wherein the MTA can say, no we ordered it this way and New Flyer saying too bad so sad... *sigh* I'm wondering why DesignLine didn't put in their bid for the CNG order as they do have a CNG variant of the Citibus. Hell for that matter I'm wondering why NABI didn't bid as well. And with that being said, I would not surprise me if NovaBUS's R&D department gets started on a CNG variant of the LFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
w8Hou Posted July 28, 2010 Share #115 Posted July 28, 2010 The issues NFI has been having with its recent coaches have been the ones built WITH the LF face (i.e. Chicago...). Now see New Flyer discontinued that face, now here we go with 2002-2003 all over again. Because if we take the option buses and New Flyer feels some kinda way again and says well the rest of the order will be built with the LFR face, then we're back to square one wherein the MTA can say, no we ordered it this way and New Flyer saying too bad so sad... *sigh* I'm wondering why DesignLine didn't put in their bid for the CNG order as they do have a CNG variant of the Citibus. Hell for that matter I'm wondering why NABI didn't bid as well. And with that being said, I would not surprise me if NovaBUS's R&D department gets started on a CNG variant of the LFS. The RFP stated for the 135 bus order is only 2 qualified for this bid. Thats Orion and New Flyer since they already have a bus with CNG running today. NABI and DesignLine does not have a chance to bid on this contract. For the New Flyer, did New Flyer dropped the LFR designation and reverted back to LF. Thats probably the confusion there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted July 28, 2010 Author Share #116 Posted July 28, 2010 For the New Flyer, did New Flyer dropped the LFR designation and reverted back to LF. Thats probably the confusion there. Nope! It's going to just like the ones we have now! Photo, and information all courtesy of New Flyer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aemoreira81 Posted July 28, 2010 Share #117 Posted July 28, 2010 Wirelessly posted via (Mozilla/5.0 (Danger hiptop 4.6; U; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050920) Believe it or not but some were delivered brand new to Fresh Pond. 505x (I forgot the exact number) to 5074 started out there. 5055-5074. What remains to be seen is if these will be redesigned LFs, or the Excelsior type bus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted July 28, 2010 Author Share #118 Posted July 28, 2010 5055-5074. What remains to be seen is if these will be redesigned LFs, or the Excelsior type bus. They will be EXACTLY like the current C40LF's at Gleason. Externally they will look virtually the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R22 Shoal Point Posted July 29, 2010 Share #119 Posted July 29, 2010 I don't get it either, but I got this straight from New Flyer! I thought it was essentially the same bus, with a different front end. But I guess there are more changes underneath that we thought. This also makes me think about Cait Sith's post on the buses not being built as well as they used too. I'm telling you, this get's crazier everyday. And on a side note, the MTA officially awarded the contract to New Flyer this morning. I'm curious as to New Flyer's exact wording to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted July 29, 2010 Author Share #120 Posted July 29, 2010 I'm curious as to New Flyer's exact wording to you. On what topic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R22 Shoal Point Posted July 29, 2010 Share #121 Posted July 29, 2010 On what topic? About the MTA order being for C40LFs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted July 29, 2010 Author Share #122 Posted July 29, 2010 About the MTA order being for C40LFs. This is the exact quote from said source. from New Flyer "For now these will be LF due to the changes to the LFR structure that are not yet approved by NY." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princelex Posted July 29, 2010 Share #123 Posted July 29, 2010 Nope! It's going to just like the ones we have now! Photo, and information all courtesy of New Flyer Wouldn't the be spending more money to have New Flyer make the old style instead of just going with the new style? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East New York Posted July 29, 2010 Author Share #124 Posted July 29, 2010 Wouldn't the be spending more money to have New Flyer make the old style instead of just going with the new style? No. They won't have to spend anything more than what's stated in the contract. I guess they already worked something out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princelex Posted July 29, 2010 Share #125 Posted July 29, 2010 No. They won't have to spend anything more than what's stated in the contract. I guess they already worked something out. They should just go with the new style. It's what New Flyer's been doing, why change it? If the can let Orion change up the OG into the NG, then what's the problem with the new style over the old one where New Flyer's concerned? The makes no sense to me at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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