The Orange M... One month later

[Cait Sith]

THANK YOU. The fact there was so much upheaval over the letter is absurd. was already programmed in the 160s to Metropolitan Avenue. was recognized as a Sixth Avenue Line, so what was the deal if it went along Broadway Brooklyn and Myrtle? (Mx)/(V) people have been around for years, and all this time, I NEVER heard of creating a new designation to appease to riders of the minority.

 

JFTR, the 'M' was around since 1960, so what? Big effing deal that it the 'M' would have been killed off. And one more tidbit, the 'V' has been around LONGER than the M; the former has been around longer than the latter, since the R12s came around? Roman numerals anyone? () There was never a 1000 train, yet there was ALWAYS a train.

 

So much for history....

 

A roman numeral doesnt actually count And they would still have to reprogram the line announcements as stated before.

[LRG]

A roman numeral doesnt actually count And they would still have to reprogram the line announcements as stated before.

 

True....

[MattTrain]

The is serving its purpose alright, instead of transfering between the (Mx) and the at Delancey-Essex Streets, the goes through 6 Avenue. I've seen the ridership of the and I think that was a good move to combine the (Mx) services into the . At first I thought it wouldn't work, but now it's looking good. The headways could be better, but when I checked the it was the same way too...

 

Sure the trains are shorter than the trains so they'll reposition themselves a bit, but not by a lot. Heck the riders catching the until recently sometimes deal with making the dash to take the also. I don't see this as a major problem at all.

 

Good thing people are adapting to this .

[iGeMiNix]

The is serving its purpose alright, instead of transfering between the (Mx) and the at Delancey-Essex Streets, the goes through 6 Avenue. I've seen the ridership of the and I think that was a good move to combine the (Mx) services into the . At first I thought it wouldn't work, but now it's looking good. The headways could be better, but when I checked the it was the same way too...

 

Sure the trains are shorter than the trains so they'll reposition themselves a bit, but not by a lot. Heck the riders catching the until recently sometimes deal with making the dash to take the also. I don't see this as a major problem at all.

 

Good thing people are adapting to this .

 

Yeah when you ride it, the headways aren't really exactly the name as the even though it is the same on the schedule, it is probably because the route is longer than the .

[Eric B]

The headways are about the same as the old (Mx), which was lighter than the .

What we have now is more bunching, from delays, that might make it look like a tighter headway at times.

[Art Vandelay]

The current M headways are roughly the same as the old V ones. I put the two schedules side by side before the switch, and they were very similar.

[TwoTimer]

Anything associated with the delays will follow. You can be sure from the cut to continental is where the delays are coming from.

[LRG]

Yeah when you ride it, the headways aren't really exactly the name as the even though it is the same on the schedule, it is probably because the route is longer than the .

 

That's something a lot of people don't understand. The longer the route is, the more prone to delays it will be, especially along busy corridors like Queens Boulevard. The old (Mx), as a matter of fact, was rated most frequent over all the other lines due to less strain the lines it ran or provided. You rarely see any tie-ups along Fourth Avenue and Nassau Street, but Queens Boulevard, you can forget about it.

 

The current M headways are roughly the same as the old V ones. I put the two schedules side by side before the switch, and they were very similar.

 

The ran on an average of six minutes; the is a slight increase from 10 mins. to 8.

[R32 3838]

yeah the does take longer than the but who cares, right now until September its better to take the Locals Manhattan Bound, They are currently doing Trackwork and you might have to rely on the and , I don't know why people are still complaining about it, Its here Get the f**k over it, I took the via Queens Blvd Express, I ran better than the (E)/(F), Plus They should make the Express along with the , have the make all stops until b'way Junction then start the skip-stop after B'way junction Have the go Exprees between Marcy and B'way Junction.

[MattTrain]

They should make the Express along with the , have the make all stops until b'way Junction then start the skip-stop after B'way junction Have the go Exprees between Marcy and B'way Junction.

 

Your plan of having the run express to Broadway Junction and the all stops and then the skip stop won't work. It defeats the skip-stop purpose. The will carry quite a load between Marcy Avenue-Broadway Junction. The passenger loads would be uneven. I say keep the current pattern as is.

[Sam]

Your plan of having the run express to Broadway Junction and the all stops and then the skip stop won't work. It defeats the skip-stop purpose. The will carry quite a load between Marcy Avenue-Broadway Junction. The passenger loads would be uneven. I say keep the current pattern as is.

 

I've wondered about that. Many years ago, the QJ and the KK ran skip-stop via Jamaica and the latter ran local from East NY through Essex and the "new" 70(J) ran express. When the 70(K) was truncated to East NY, the 70(J) ran skip-stop with itself (as "A" and "B").

 

I'm not really sure why the and can't run the same way or truncate the and run the skip-stop with itself.

[checkmatechamp13]

I've wondered about that. Many years ago, the QJ and the KK ran skip-stop via Jamaica and the latter ran local from East NY through Essex and the "new" 70(J) ran express. When the 70(K) was truncated to East NY, the 70(J) ran skip-stop with itself (as "A" and "B").

 

I'm not really sure why the and can't run the same way or truncate the and run the skip-stop with itself.

 

I think it is because they feel that the portion of the route between Broadway Junction and Marcy Avenue would receive too much service. That, and there is the problem of the merge at Marcy Avenue.

The frequency of the on the Jamaica Avenue portion of the route would have to be less than it is now, both for financial purposes and capacity purposes (don't forget that you would now have an additional train merging at Myrtle Avenue).

[m7zanr160s]

The headways are about the same as the old (Mx), which was lighter than the .

What we have now is more bunching, from delays, that might make it look like a tighter headway at times.

 

I agree.

[TOURQuarterback12]

Sorry if this devrails the topic or it was asked in an earlier thread, but couldnt run express and local? Skip stop confuses people, its the only combo that does this. I take almost every day but I believe the express tracks are available until Crescent, so why not operate that way?

[LRG]

couldnt run express and local?

 

If that happened, that would defeat the purpose of Skip-stop. And pah to the ignorance of those who can't comprehend what stops the serves and what stops the serves...pick up a schedule!

[checkmatechamp13]

Sorry if this devrails the topic or it was asked in an earlier thread, but couldnt run express and local? Skip stop confuses people, its the only combo that does this. I take almost every day but I believe the express tracks are available until Crescent, so why not operate that way?

 

They are only available from Marcy Avenue-Broadway Junction.

The problem is that there could be bunching with and trains.

Think of it this way: At the stops served by both the and , there is an even 5 minute headway between trains. If you had the express service between Broadway Junction and Marcy Avenue, let's say it takes a train an average of 40 additional seconds per stop. 40*4=160, or slightly less than 3 minutes added onto the travel time. That would mean that, if the headway between trains is every 5 minutes at Broadway Junction, the headway between trains would be 7 minutes, then 3 minutes at Myrtle Avenue.

 

That would, of course, be the net effect (the would have 2 stops added and the would have 2 stops taken away)

[Ridgewoodian]

John Mancini, from NY1, interviewed me this afternoon about the new - part of a story, apparently, on people who are actually happy with the new service. Might air as early as tonight. Hopefully I don't come off like a sweaty tool.