MTA's 4-year plan: Fare and toll hikes in January, pay freezes for workers

[SubwayGuy]

maybe the system should shut down over nite then......no service betw the hrs of like 1-4 am

 

Absolutely not. NYC is the city that never sleeps for a reason. People need to be able to get to and from work during those hours. The people who are working during those hours aren't the ones that can afford city parking or cabs, either, so they RELY on mass transit to get them to and from work.

 

That would also destroy the nightlife in this city which is a huge income generator. Then the city and state will be complaining about lack of funds again and cutting funding for...transit, which just gets you right back in a pickle all over again.

[NYC Bus&Subway]

UGH! NOT this again!!! More Fare Hikes! :mad:

When's the MTA going to LISTEN to us?!?! :mad:

 

Edit: MTA Fails again!

[NYCTSignals]

Absolutely not. NYC is the city that never sleeps for a reason. People need to be able to get to and from work during those hours. The people who are working during those hours aren't the ones that can afford city parking or cabs, either, so they RELY on mass transit to get them to and from work.

 

That would also destroy the nightlife in this city which is a huge income generator. Then the city and state will be complaining about lack of funds again and cutting funding for...transit, which just gets you right back in a pickle all over again.

 

 

well i think riders, the city and state should PAY UP OR SHUT UP ! I think though more then anything the CITY AND STATE need to push more funding..if pple dont want fare hikes they should inform their reps @ City hall and ALBANY !

[SubwayGuy]

well i think riders, the city and state should PAY UP OR SHUT UP ! I think though more then anything the CITY AND STATE need to push more funding..if pple dont want fare hikes they should inform their reps @ City hall and ALBANY !

 

Riders have already been made to pay their fare share. The reason the MTA is continually underfunded is the lack of city and state money. It is siphoned off of valuable services to benefit the suburbs and the richest school districts, as well as pet projects and earmarks for districts that don't benefit them. NOTHING goes to help working people and young adults, it all gets thrown to rich school districts and to stupid senior programs because the politicians can take credit for that when election time comes. It's a shell game by a bunch of corrupt politicians who won't go away because the other guy running against them is just as corrupt as they are. If you have faith in writing letters, you are too optimistic. Go ahead and write a letter, I guarantee you'll just get a form letter back thanking you for your "support" and urging you to vote for [insert douchebag here] in the next election. While of course that wasn't the intent of your letter at all...

[metsfan]

There's a transit funding bill in congress, write or email or call your senators & representatives so it can get passed. I believe the bill calls for 12 bln but it may be lower, like 8.

 

To cut proper spending is to cut ability to recover.

 

- A

[TwoTimer]

If you really want to know what cuts can be done (and get away with)...

 

Nothing

Nothing

Eliminate overnight service (the latest major change in IRT service that was not done away with in the most recent cuts), which brings back the shuttle bus (instead of 135-148, it should run the much shorter 149-GC to 148 to incorporate east side riders). Start regular service later Sunday morning than it started back then (Remember there were 135-148 shuttle trains back then).

Nothing, slight service boost on weekends to compensate for no .

End service from Bowling Green an hour earlier weekdays, shuttle service only on weekends (10 car shuttle during the day, OPTO overnight).

Nothing

End express service an hour earlier.

 

Nothing stated here so far hasn't already been done in GOs over the years...

 

Nothing

( End service an hour earlier

Nothing

Nothing, you can flirt with local in Manhattan though during the nite.

Nothing

Nothing

Nothing that hasn't already been done.

Terminate at Broad St weekends.

Nothing

Nothing

Nothing

Nothing, flirt with local late nites

Nothing

End skip stop service.

[GreatOne2k]

If you really want to know what cuts can be done (and get away with)...

 

Eliminate overnight service (the latest major change in IRT service that was not done away with in the most recent cuts), which brings back the shuttle bus (instead of 135-148, it should run the much shorter 149-GC to 148 to incorporate east side riders). Start regular service later Sunday morning than it started back then (Remember there were 135-148 shuttle trains back then).

End service from Bowling Green an hour earlier weekdays, shuttle service only on weekends (10 car shuttle during the day, OPTO overnight).

End express service an hour earlier.

 

Nothing stated here so far hasn't already been done in GOs over the years...

 

 

Nothing, you can flirt with local in Manhattan though during the nite.

Terminate at Broad St weekends.

Nothing, flirt with local late nites

End skip stop service.

 

to Broad weekends would be a service improvement

 

Cutting back would cause more crowding on the and trains especially Friday and Saturday nights. If anything should run from Bowling Green 1 hour later on Saturday nights (with other cuts to off set the costs). Running the Bronx express weekday middays also provide cost savings, and would be better than making a a shuttle on weekends.

 

 

Shuttle bus has to stop at 145 St, 135-148 is better than 148-149 skipping a whole station

 

Better to cut the back to 96 St late nights, or even the old 135 St Lenox shuttle than to bring back the buses. Harlem doesn't want 145 and 148 closed again late nights.

 

and local late night would cost the MTA more money than doing nothing. Unless total (7)/<7> service is cut, ending express service earlier will cost more $$. (J)/(Z) skip stop which would make savings very little since total trains would have to be increased to offset the elimination

[TwoTimer]

145 was always included as a shuttle bus stop, I was referring to the first and last stops. 145-Powell is another stop possibility as well.

[armax1980]

MTA always cry broke when they actually have more than enough money locked away somewhere. Think about it, they said they had no money yet was able to hire a bunch of 6 digit salary managers and not to mention the efficiency manager. By the end of the year paterson is out along with walder.All we need to do is wait.

[RTOMan]

i smell a strike........................

 

NOT Happening.

[Zman]

To say the least. I don't see this ending well for either parties....

 

They say that the fairest contract is one in which neither side is happy.

 

If you really want to know what cuts can be done (and get away with)...

 

Realistically speaking, the TA can implement some savings simply by going to 40 minute overnight headways on certain lines such as the , plus reinstate the PEL-125 shuttle with a 20 minute headway (which would run all the way to Brooklyn Bridge on Friday & Saturday nights). For lines with a 40 minute headway, it would be necessary to post the schedules in conspicuous locations.

[RTOMan]

Realistically speaking, the TA can implement some savings simply by going to 40 minute overnight headways on certain lines such as the , plus reinstate the PEL-125 shuttle with a 20 minute headway (which would run all the way to Brooklyn Bridge on Friday & Saturday nights). For lines with a 40 minute headway, it would be necessary to post the schedules in conspicuous locations.

 

LOL !!!

[Amtrak7]

This is the creepy part: The NY Post says that the MTA would have a $67 million SURPLUS if the fare hikes and union negotiations go through successfully.

[RTOMan]

This is the creepy part: The NY Post says that the MTA would have a $67 million SURPLUS if the fare hikes and union negotiations go through successfully.

 

Then its more than 67 Million....

 

BTW this Contract isnt up till next year in January so i smell arbitration..

 

Well still havent gotten the last raise yet if im correct...

[TwoTimer]

Nope, January 2011 3% is still out there pending appeal. And they want a 2 year pay freeze after that, no word if that is if they lose the appeal or in addition to it. Sounds like they dont mind a 0-0-0 across 2 contracts. Also many of the secondary booths agents worked in are dismantled, with only cameras guarding regular turnstyles. Even if they were brought back, they really will have nowhere to work.

[RTOMan]

Nope, January 2011 3% is still out there pending appeal. And they want a 2 year pay freeze after that, no word if that is if they lose the appeal or in addition to it. Sounds like they dont mind a 0-0-0 across 2 contracts. Also many of the secondary booths agents worked in are dismantled, with only cameras guarding regular turnstyles. Even if they were brought back, they really will have nowhere to work.

 

If we dont get Jan 2011, then go to Arbitration good chance they are going to get that two year freeze..

 

Smart...

[TwoTimer]

They prepped themselves for losing the case (which they probably will anyways as the burden of proof is on THEM to prove that the raise will basically cripple the company which we all know it won't) so this is their way out, their SCREW YOU UNION, WE WIN ANYWAY. We got to get rid of hundreds of you's AND halted your pay!!!!!!!! We only needed one or the other but got a 2 for 1.

[motorman2085]

All Union members should be outrage. Mr. Waldo say MTA are saving 11 millions on laying off 266 booth clerks and yet have to spend possibly the same amount in the installation of intercoms and cameras to cover those areas that were used to be covered by station clerks. MTA is going to go Bankrupt not from over hiring, but from under hiring. Their layoffs will cause an increase in crimes, accidents, and terrorist bombings, which will cause massive lawsuits resulting much more in price increase and the bankrupt of MTA.

[Amtrak7]

No contracts will be modified. The pay freezes will come as contracts expire.

 

RTOMan: How is it >$67M?

[RTOMan]

No contracts will be modified.

 

Who said anything about contracts being modified?

 

The pay freezes will come as contracts expire.

 

I think that was said already...

 

RTOMan: How is it >$67M?

 

If you want to believe what they in the papers fine by me...

 

After all the papers did say its our fault with our outrageous contract that the is in this mess right?

[checkmatechamp13]

Absolutely not. NYC is the city that never sleeps for a reason. People need to be able to get to and from work during those hours. The people who are working during those hours aren't the ones that can afford city parking or cabs, either, so they RELY on mass transit to get them to and from work.

 

That would also destroy the nightlife in this city which is a huge income generator. Then the city and state will be complaining about lack of funds again and cutting funding for...transit, which just gets you right back in a pickle all over again.

 

Exactly. If you must take the subway home at 3 AM when the trains run every 20 minutes, and your connecting bus might run every 60 minutes, that means you really can't afford a taxi ride home. That is what they meant when they said "overnight riders are understood to be transit dependant".

Also, like you said, it would kill the nightlife here, since a lot of clubs in places like Greenwich/East Village depend on the fact that there is cheap transportation to their clubs.

[aemoreira81]

Reading it here, I'm not sure that many savings that have not already been wrung out from subways can be wrung out, except perhaps eliminating the on weekends; would run local in Brooklyn and express in Manhattan unless the was unavailable on 8 Avenue.

 

The buses are from where savings can be wrung.

[checkmatechamp13]

The said themselves that a lot of the savings would come from cutting bus service. One train can carry up to 15 times the number of people a bus can, lowering the cost per person dramatically. Also, a lot of the costs associated with rail are fixed (fixed maintainance and rehabilitation), so it is much more efficient and affects fewer people to reduce bus service.

[Concourse Express]

For those who are interested, MTA has posted their 2011-2014 Financial Plan (which, based on the article Harry posted, is the subject of this thread) here.

 

Along with info about the proposed fare hikes and continued echo of "labor needing to make concessions", I found some other items in the massive PDF's that may be of interest. Among them:

 

-2010 mid-year subway ridership UP from mid-year 2009 (Complete vol 2, page 467); we'll see if that trend holds up the rest of the year, given the service cuts.

-R44 to be scrapped, not reefed. (vol 2, page 480)

-Remaing R42s and R32s sticking around a bit longer due to extended SMS cycles (vol 2, page 486)

 

...and one item that may disappoint many here:

-Funding for restoration of vintage bus fleet cut (vol 2, page 484)

 

There's certainly a lot more to sift through, but I've not the time...yet.

[motorman2085]

Ridership UP they want to cut services and layoff workers? What will they say when ridership go down? The public and union members are slaves to MTA if they don't stand up and fight for their rights.