Fresh Pond Posted August 4, 2010 Share #26 Posted August 4, 2010 Wirelessly posted via (Mozilla/5.0 (Linux; U; Android 1.6; en-us; T-Mobile G1 Build/DMD64) AppleWebKit/528.5+ (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.2 Mobile Safari/525.20.1) There's nothing that can be done about it at this moment. The only thing that's possible to do is rename one of the branches into a or to deter confusion. ...all plans for service increases are nothing but pipe dreams now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted August 4, 2010 Share #27 Posted August 4, 2010 Especially if the runs only R44/46s, they should have an or to differentiate the two branches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted August 4, 2010 Share #28 Posted August 4, 2010 Ok, noted, but it's still another option to get to Manhattan, if the person knows the schedule. I love the Q35, i used to ride that often back to Brooklyn from B116th. I still do, when I take the qm16... dam beach goers that pile on @ B 149th are a PITA when they bombard the bus with their boisterous-ness.... anyway, now that the stop on newport/b116th is a shared stop (Q35/Q21), it's funny to note the ppl. waiting for 21's there (virtually none) to the ppl. that are waiting for 35's (the whole dam crowd).... ------------- In any event, my answer to this question, thread titled, is No. Rockaway park riders are somewhat shunned.... Far Rockaway gets too much service during certain times of the day... Lefferts can use some more service... ....problem is no one wants the , and you can't equally split the into 3 branches w/o pissing off whichever group of riders.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted August 4, 2010 Share #29 Posted August 4, 2010 That's kinda funny about the Q21/35 stop. The times I use it everyone there is waiting for the Q35 [maybe the Q21 already picked up the riders?]. Exactly about the , there's no way that line should be extended or Lefferts riders will be pissed and just get off at Rockaway Blvd to jam onto the trains. I admit I don't ride the rock park segment during the rush hours. So I don't know how well used it is, but I think the few rush hour trains that serves it is fine. Agreed at times Far Rock gets too much service. If not for Far Rock itself, that whole sement below Howard Beach could very well be served by just a shuttle line* *round robin would've been nicer if 67th St was an island platform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B35 via Church Posted August 4, 2010 Share #30 Posted August 4, 2010 lol... nah... not even... the times where I've waited for the Q35 these past 2 weeks (the ~7:45pm run).... every single time, the first bus that powered on, was a Q21.... you know how ppl. start to maneuver towards the shelter so they can get first dibs at a seat when the bus pulls closer... well, when it's clear to everyone that it's a 21, people start to back off... one person got on, on two separate occasions... funny stuff... ------------------------ round robin service on/through the cole hammels wye (lol) sounds interesting... although not feasible these days, how would you run it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted August 4, 2010 Share #31 Posted August 4, 2010 Interesting. I guess the times I get the Q35 are times that a Q21 must've stopped by already. Very rarely have I seen a Q21 stop by [and when it did, no one at the stand was waiting for it] before the Q35 starts up the engine to pick us up. I've counted b/w 4-7 people [including me and on non-summer days] get on at that first stop. Usually this would be around 2-4pm. A few times I rode it after 6-7pm. Always about the same number of people. - As for the round robin, if 67th was an island platform, riders from the Rock Park side can transfer for the Manhattan bound train. And 90th St would also have to be converted into an island platform. That way a single shuttle line can run to Howard Beach and serve all 3 points. Then again it would probably just be easier to have either one shuttle line go to Howard Beach and the other to Broad Channel, or both of them goes to HB to connect to the . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted August 4, 2010 Share #32 Posted August 4, 2010 Wirelessly posted via (Mozilla/5.0 (Danger hiptop 4.6; U; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050920) ...round robin service on/through the cole hammels wye (lol) sounds interesting... although not feasible these days, how would you run it My guess, it goes from Broad Channel to Rockaway Pk, then to Far Rockaway, then back to Broad Channel, much like it did back in the 80's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
checkmatechamp13 Posted August 4, 2010 Share #33 Posted August 4, 2010 I still do, when I take the qm16... dam beach goers that pile on @ B 149th are a PITA when they bombard the bus with their boisterous-ness.... anyway, now that the stop on newport/b116th is a shared stop (Q35/Q21), it's funny to note the ppl. waiting for 21's there (virtually none) to the ppl. that are waiting for 35's (the whole dam crowd).... ------------- In any event, my answer to this question, thread titled, is No. Rockaway park riders are somewhat shunned.... Far Rockaway gets too much service during certain times of the day... Lefferts can use some more service... ....problem is no one wants the , and you can't equally split the into 3 branches w/o pissing off whichever group of riders.... There was only 1 thing from stopping me from suggesting the to Lefferts-the fact that the additional trainsets would have to be taken from the . Although the trains that were saved by the extension could be used for service, that would mean that, overall, service on the portion of the route west of Rockaway Blvd would decrease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T to Dyre Avenue Posted August 4, 2010 Share #34 Posted August 4, 2010 Wirelessly posted via (Mozilla/5.0 (Linux; U; Android 1.6; en-us; T-Mobile G1 Build/DMD64) AppleWebKit/528.5+ (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.2 Mobile Safari/525.20.1) There's nothing that can be done about it at this moment. The only thing that's possible to do is rename one of the branches into a or to deter confusion. ...all plans for service increases are nothing but pipe dreams now It almost sounds like a pipe dream is the only real solution to this issue. So here's mine. - Local to Euclid Avenue 24/7 - Express to Far Rockaway 24/7 and Rockaway Park rush hours - Runs express in Brooklyn and replaces to Lefferts Boulevard. Between midnight and 5 AM, runs as a Shuttle between Euclid and Lefferts. Yes, there's the matter of how the is going to get from Lower Manhattan to Brooklyn. I'd prefer to connect it to the Montague Tunnel, since that tunnel is already under-utilized with just the running there. Perhaps in the year 2525... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted August 4, 2010 Share #35 Posted August 4, 2010 It almost sounds like a pipe dream is the only real solution to this issue. So here's mine. - Local to Euclid Avenue 24/7 Isn't the gonna be used already? Besides, how is it gonna connect with the ? - Express to Far Rockaway 24/7 and Rockaway Park rush hours There's no need for an express late at nights - Runs express in Brooklyn and replaces to Lefferts Boulevard. Between midnight and 5 AM, runs as a Shuttle between Euclid and Lefferts. The problem here is that now you would have 2 express trains running on the Fulton line. Besides, if you extend the and make it express, you would need more trains. Given the current status of that trunk line and the status of the I highly doubt there will be 2 express trains there Yes, there's the matter of how the is going to get from Lower Manhattan to Brooklyn. I'd prefer to connect it to the Montague Tunnel, since that tunnel is already under-utilized with just the running there. The Montague St tunnel already connects with the Nassau St line, so where else would you put the connection? Perhaps in the year 2525... Only time will tell Replies in red Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NX Express Posted August 4, 2010 Share #36 Posted August 4, 2010 Replies in red My idea: "Isn't the gonna be used already? Besides, how is it gonna connect with the ?" Via the Nassau line, Montague, and through Court Street-NYCTM. "There's no need for an express late at nights" Then the could run local. "The problem here is that now you would have 2 express trains running on the Fulton line. Besides, if you extend the and make it express, you would need more trains. Given the current status of that trunk line and the status of the MTA I highly doubt there will be 2 express trains there" The express would save the time needed to travel those seven or so extra stops to Lefferts. "The Montague St tunnel already connects with the Nassau St line, so where else would you put the connection?" See #1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2Line1291 Posted August 4, 2010 Share #37 Posted August 4, 2010 If the LIRR to Lower Manhattan does materialize..... design the tunnel to carry the LIRR on the lower level and the on the upper level and from there the could connect to the Court St station (Transit Museum); similar to how the 63rd St tunnel is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T to Dyre Avenue Posted August 5, 2010 Share #38 Posted August 5, 2010 Given the current status of that trunk line and the status of the , I highly doubt there will be 2 express trains there The is not going to be broke forever. And it's not like service pattern is going to implemented tomorrow. If the LIRR to Lower Manhattan does materialize..... design the tunnel to carry the LIRR on the lower level and the on the upper level and from there the could connect to the Court St station (Transit Museum); similar to how the 63rd St tunnel is. I would love to see an LIRR to Lower Manhattan connection, but it will be difficult finding a place for a brand new tunnel and a street for the LIRR to run under in Lower Manhattan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted August 5, 2010 Share #39 Posted August 5, 2010 If anything the reverse where the subway takes over the LIRR Atlantic Branch would be 'more feasible' being they could use the underused Montague tunnel and have that line end near the LIRR Jamaica station. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted August 5, 2010 Share #40 Posted August 5, 2010 Wirelessly posted via (Mozilla/5.0 (Danger hiptop 4.6; U; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050920) Via the Nassau line, Montague, and through Court Street-NYCTM. ...the could connect to the Court St station (Transit Museum); similar to how the 63rd St tunnel is. Ok if that is done, where will the mseum go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NX Express Posted August 5, 2010 Share #41 Posted August 5, 2010 Wirelessly posted via (Mozilla/5.0 (Danger hiptop 4.6; U; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050920) Ok if that is done, where will the mseum go? Abandoned side of the Nassau line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R110B Posted August 5, 2010 Share #42 Posted August 5, 2010 Wirelessly posted via (Mozilla/5.0 (Danger hiptop 4.6; U; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050920) For Ozone Park/Richmond Hill residents, most of them end up taking either the Q10 or Q37 to the or in Kew Gardens anyway since the 8th Avenue lines are pretty slow en route to Manhattan. Or they back track on the Q112 to parsons/archer and take the or / *am rush. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted August 5, 2010 Share #43 Posted August 5, 2010 Abandoned side of the Nassau line. I had a feeling you was gonna say that. Wasn't that idea dicussed then shot down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cotb16 Posted August 5, 2010 Share #44 Posted August 5, 2010 Wirelessly posted via (Mozilla/5.0 (Danger hiptop 4.6; U; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050920) Or they back track on the Q112 to parsons/archer and take the or / *am rush. I forgot about that one. However, the Q10 or Q37 to Kew Gardens is a faster connection to Manhattan. The Q112 to Jamaica Center is probably for those wanting a seat on the or or to transfer to the other buses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NX Express Posted August 5, 2010 Share #45 Posted August 5, 2010 I had a feeling you was gonna say that. Wasn't that idea dicussed then shot down? Discussed by whom? A bunch of foamers on NYCTF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Concourse Posted August 6, 2010 Share #46 Posted August 6, 2010 I had a feeling you was gonna say that. Wasn't that idea dicussed then shot down? It was my idea, but shot down by others here. I still think it would be a good idea. But a fantasy is all it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Pond Posted August 6, 2010 Share #47 Posted August 6, 2010 Wirelessly posted via (Mozilla/5.0 (Danger hiptop 4.6; U; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050920) Discussed by whom? A bunch of foamers on NYCTF? Lol I wouldn't say all that, but we'll just leave it at it got a good chunk of this place involved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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