PLEASE READ, Rally for LIB ,everyone is needed

[twty22]

Please fellow brothers and sisters if you can make it and show your support please come by.

 

also passengers this will affect you also. please come also.

 

Also if you work at MTA or somewhere else print this flyer and post it up. or you can post this info on other forums if you want. Just get the word out.

 

http://www.twulocal252.org/

 

Thanks,

Joe-

 

[lilbluefoxie]

It cant get any worse than it is under the MTA's rule.

[twty22]

It cant get any worse than it is under the MTA's rule.

it can be. fares will increase, transfers will no longer work with mta buses or subway. costing passengers much more money. trust me it can be worse

[Citaro]

Stop Privatizing! If i could i would come to support the MTA workers.

 

Oh trust me people, it will be worse, look at the british railways, the australian railway! Privatizing people's property is a crime.

 

Save public transportation against capitalist greed and vote for: http://www.sp-usa.org/

[FamousNYLover]

Can I spread this rally to other transit/school bus forums?

[twty22]

Can I spread this rally to other transit/school bus forums?

 

yes i forgot to add that to my post.

 

print it , post it up and get the word out as much as we can. we want to shut down mineola with as many people as we can

[lilbluefoxie]

it can be. fares will increase, transfers will no longer work with mta buses or subway. costing passengers much more money. trust me it can be worse

 

transfers so far work between non MTA properties like Suffolk Transit and Huntington Area Rapid Transit, it would probably be just like teh days of Green Lines, Queens Surface, etc.

 

Frankly if a private company can work more efficiently than the MTA at managing Long Island Bus, I say let em do it, if a private company can bring better service, shorter headways, let em do it.

 

a huge majority of people, even in like Hempstead and Uniondale and the bad areas have cars in Nassau County, so whatever will cost less in taxes ill support.

[engineerboy6561]

It really depends on the manner in which chooses to privatize LIB. If they choose to handle the matter in the same manner they handled the old Queens/Brooklyn PBLs and keep their workforce unionized then there is a distinct possibility that service could improve and the transit worekrs would have to take less crap over contracts and make fewer "concessions" to a management structure that is top-heavy and broken. Remember that PBLs still took MetroCard, and fares were as little as $1-1.50 for local buses and $3 to $4 for express buses. If the PBL model could be implemented in the above manner then by all means let it happen.

However, if this is what I'm afraid it is (an attempt to break the union or a "nuclear option" that can be trotted out at contract time to force the union to agree to wage freezes and benefit cuts and the general public to put up with fare hikes and service cuts) then we need to draw the line in the sand and by doing so perhaps begin to reverse the tailspin in which our transit system finds itself.

 

To Citaro: I understand your complaint; this country is already several times more privatized and therefore more fragmented than it ever should have been allowed to become in the first place. I agree with you that this trend needs to be reversed now before we wind up in a far more permanent decline/collapse. That said, I'm not necessarily sure that the country is or that I am ready to cut ties with the two-party system and endorse socialism. The reason: the United States system of government tends to swing toward the conservatives and big business interests more than should be allowed and this then leads to a decade or so of severe inequality followed by an ugly economic collapse every seventy to a hundred years. That said, the system also has a surprising ability to self-correct. Look at Obama; the man is passing major legislation at a rate comparable to that of LBJ. he has been in office less than half a term and he has managed to keep our economy from falling off the edge, begun the process of wrapping up the war in Iraq, and gotten major healthcare and financial reform passed in spite of scared conservatives. I will back Obama and the Democratic party all the way because they are beginning to move in the right direction.

I have read the economics, labor, and civil rights sections of the socialist party platform, and I agree that nearly all of what I read represents a set of goals toward which our country can and must move (excluding certain sections dealing with complete abolition of local and federal police, establishing prisoners' unions, and capping income). If we maintain our current system of government the whole way through, we would be looking at about 100-150 years until those goals are achieved. If we switch to a semisocialist system 75-100 years in then perhaps it will speed up. The problem right now is that the road to those goals is never one of smooth progress, but rather a constant tango between success and backlash, with success hopefully outpacing backlash in the long term. Right now, Obama has achieved some of the greatest legislative successes in half a century and the backlash will be nearly as big if we are not careful. If we all hold tight to Obama and keep pushing we should be able to ride out the backlash and continue to build in that direction. If, however, we run to socialism right now, we will convince the fence-sitters and half the "blue-dog" Democrats that the Tea Party is right and even ordinary liberals like myself are a bunch of dangerous radicals. If that were to happen, it is entirely possible that we could return to a Bush-style economic policy combined with a McCarthy-style red scare that could cost both you and I everything.

[Citaro]

To Citaro: I understand your complaint; this country is already several times more privatized and therefore more fragmented than it ever should have been allowed to become in the first place. I agree with you that this trend needs to be reversed now before we wind up in a far more permanent decline/collapse. That said, I'm not necessarily sure that the country is or that I am ready to cut ties with the two-party system and endorse socialism. The reason: the United States system of government tends to swing toward the conservatives and big business interests more than should be allowed and this then leads to a decade or so of severe inequality followed by an ugly economic collapse every seventy to a hundred years. That said, the system also has a surprising ability to self-correct. Look at Obama; the man is passing major legislation at a rate comparable to that of LBJ. he has been in office less than half a term and he has managed to keep our economy from falling off the edge, begun the process of wrapping up the war in Iraq, and gotten major healthcare and financial reform passed in spite of scared conservatives. I will back Obama and the Democratic party all the way because they are beginning to move in the right direction.

I have read the economics, labor, and civil rights sections of the socialist party platform, and I agree that nearly all of what I read represents a set of goals toward which our country can and must move (excluding certain sections dealing with complete abolition of local and federal police, establishing prisoners' unions, and capping income). If we maintain our current system of government the whole way through, we would be looking at about 100-150 years until those goals are achieved. If we switch to a semisocialist system 75-100 years in then perhaps it will speed up. The problem right now is that the road to those goals is never one of smooth progress, but rather a constant tango between success and backlash, with success hopefully outpacing backlash in the long term. Right now, Obama has achieved some of the greatest legislative successes in half a century and the backlash will be nearly as big if we are not careful. If we all hold tight to Obama and keep pushing we should be able to ride out the backlash and continue to build in that direction. If, however, we run to socialism right now, we will convince the fence-sitters and half the "blue-dog" Democrats that the Tea Party is right and even ordinary liberals like myself are a bunch of dangerous radicals. If that were to happen, it is entirely possible that we could return to a Bush-style economic policy combined with a McCarthy-style red scare that could cost both you and I everything.

 

Yeah that's right man. We have also some problems with privatizing in Europe, for example some consverative politicians want to privatize our "Deutsche Bahn". Next election they will pay for this try, they've already lost the majority. Hehe:p

[lilbluefoxie]

Yeah that's right man. We have also some problems with privatizing in Europe, for example some consverative politicians want to privatize our "Deutsche Bahn". Next election they will pay for this try, they've already lost the majority. Hehe:p

 

Government made

 

Private made

 

Now what would you choose to drive?

[Citaro]

Now what would you choose to drive?

 

Transportation is a another thing than to build a car. So many privatizations has failed.

Compare the private british railways with the french state owned railways (SNCF), even Amtrak is better!!!!

[twty22]

transfers so far work between non MTA properties like Suffolk Transit and Huntington Area Rapid Transit, it would probably be just like teh days of Green Lines, Queens Surface, etc.

 

Frankly if a private company can work more efficiently than the MTA at managing Long Island Bus, I say let em do it, if a private company can bring better service, shorter headways, let em do it.

 

a huge majority of people, even in like Hempstead and Uniondale and the bad areas have cars in Nassau County, so whatever will cost less in taxes ill support.

 

well when you go from suffolk to LIB you pay a step up charge of upto .75 cents.

 

you will still lose your subway transfers, no metrocards etc.

 

LIB was private at one time and we see that didnt work out.

[FamousNYLover]

I still remember Doomsday Budget Service Cut also made Long Island Buses to $3.50. I am sure no one want to paid $3.50 for public transportation, right?

 

Is any public transportation in state charge around $3.50?

[twty22]

I still remember Doomsday Budget Service Cut also made Long Island Buses to $3.50. I am sure no one want to paid $3.50 for public transportation, right?

 

Is any public transportation in state charge around $3.50?

if it goes private it would polly be 3.50 or higher for a one way fare for a private company to make money. any lets not forget the routes they will polly cut also.

 

nassau county will never be the same. i also blame nassau county to because they own LIB and ED should not see this as a maybe as he has said when MTA said they where pulling there funds out in 2011 budget.

[lilbluefoxie]

if it goes private it would polly be 3.50 or higher for a one way fare for a private company to make money. any lets not forget the routes they will polly cut also.

 

nassau county will never be the same. i also blame nassau county to because they own LIB and ED should not see this as a maybe as he has said when MTA said they where pulling there funds out in 2011 budget.

 

well thats just speculation, they could leave it at 2.25 as well. But Nassau County just isnt a place with a high mass transit ridership, close to 90% of residents own cars, and to get to NYC we take the LIRR. the LIB kinda fills the gaps for people who go intra-county and arent going to the LIRR. With that, how do you convince Nassau County residents who are already highly overtaxed with our school districts constantly trying to squeeze out more money from residents, that we need to now subsidize a bus system that a majority of the residents don't even bother with.

[FamousNYLover]

if it goes private it would polly be 3.50 or higher for a one way fare for a private company to make money. any lets not forget the routes they will polly cut also.

 

nassau county will never be the same. i also blame nassau county to because they own LIB and ED should not see this as a maybe as he has said when MTA said they where pulling there funds out in 2011 budget.

 

Slightly off-topic, how people reacted on first day of cut on June 27th-28th?

On June 28th, did many passenger look for N14 Midday, N17, N28 Rush Hour, N65-N67, N93-N95, N53, N87 on Memorial Day/June 27th?

[lilbluefoxie]

Slightly off-topic, how people reacted on first day of cut on June 27th-28th?

On June 28th, did many passenger look for N14 Midday, N17, N28 Rush Hour, N65-N67, N93-N95, N53, N87 on Memorial Day/June 27th?

 

I saw N94 adn N95 signs still up about a week after the route was gone, its possible there were people that didnt get the message and were late to wherever they needed to go

[twty22]

well thats just speculation, they could leave it at 2.25 as well. But Nassau County just isnt a place with a high mass transit ridership, close to 90% of residents own cars, and to get to NYC we take the LIRR. the LIB kinda fills the gaps for people who go intra-county and arent going to the LIRR. With that, how do you convince Nassau County residents who are already highly overtaxed with our school districts constantly trying to squeeze out more money from residents, that we need to now subsidize a bus system that a majority of the residents don't even bother with.

so 33 million + people ride and depend on long island bus. so thats not a high enough ridership to care.

 

then define high mass transit ridership then. because 33+ million a year defines that to me.

[twty22]

Slightly off-topic, how people reacted on first day of cut on June 27th-28th?

On June 28th, did many passenger look for N14 Midday, N17, N28 Rush Hour, N65-N67, N93-N95, N53, N87 on Memorial Day/June 27th?

you didnt see the news story, people where waiting for buses that never showed up. cabs where cleaning up.

[lilbluefoxie]

daily ridership is only about 100,000

 

http://www.ntdprogram.gov/ntdprogram/pubs/profiles/2008/agency_profiles/2007.pdf

 

Nassau County has 1 million residents about, thats only 10% of the county

[twty22]

daily ridership is only about 100,000

 

http://www.ntdprogram.gov/ntdprogram/pubs/profiles/2008/agency_profiles/2007.pdf

 

Nassau County has 1 million residents about, thats only 10% of the county

those fiqures are from 2008. from all the stories i have read. it says 33 million a year, if those are misprints ok fine. weather they take 33 million or 6+ million its still high numbers for having only 1 + million residents. not everyone can afford to take the railroad.

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/36/36059.html

 

i will assume by your posts that you dont use LIB system. leaving 100K people without a ride is not right and the county will see a huge problem. people will go nuts.

[lilbluefoxie]

those fiqures are from 2008. from all the stories i have read. it says 33 million a year, if those are misprints ok fine. weather they take 33 million or 6+ million its still high numbers for having only 1 + million residents. not everyone can afford to take the railroad.

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/36/36059.html

 

i will assume by your posts that you dont use LIB system. leaving 100K people without a ride is not right and the county will see a huge problem. people will go nuts.

 

are you talking daily ridership or annual ridership, if you got numbers from annual ridership then you gotta caluclate the all the rides to work people take by car in order to get a proper percentage.

 

Ive lived in Nassau all my life, rode Long Island bus twice, and that was when my car was at the mechanic for the bullshit state inspection (another waste of peoples time thanks to government)

 

If those 100,000 need a ride, let them pay more for LIB and leave the rest of us alone

[twty22]

are you talking daily ridership or annual ridership, if you got numbers from annual ridership then you gotta caluclate the all the rides to work people take by car in order to get a proper percentage.

 

Ive lived in Nassau all my life, rode Long Island bus twice, and that was when my car was at the mechanic for the bullshit state inspection (another waste of peoples time thanks to government)

 

If those 100,000 need a ride, let them pay more for LIB and leave the rest of us alone

now i see when you dont care. you dont use the system. my numbers of 33 million i read where annual.

 

its not just nassau residents use the ystem what about all the people from the other 5 boroughs that use LIB who work on long island. so its affects much more than just the residents of nassau county. it affects everyone.

 

and on your statement

If those 100,000 need a ride, let them pay more for LIB and leave the rest of us alone

what about the time you needed it twice, what happens if you need it again for whatever reason. that logic dont work.the system is there for people who need it at any given time.

[lilbluefoxie]

now i see when you dont care. you dont use the system. my numbers of 33 million i read where annual.

 

its not just nassau residents use the ystem what about all the people from the other 5 boroughs that use LIB who work on long island. so its affects much more than just the residents of nassau county. it affects everyone.

 

and on your statement

what about the time you needed it twice, what happens if you need it again for whatever reason. that logic dont work.the system is there for people who need it at any given time.

 

if i really need it and its $3, ill bite the bullet and pay for it, but to ask taxpayers who are alreayd being overtaxed to fork over more moeny is just criminal in my eyes

[twty22]

if i really need it and its $3, ill bite the bullet and pay for it, but to ask taxpayers who are alreayd being overtaxed to fork over more moeny is just criminal in my eyes

i understand what you are saying. i know i pay taxes also and agree is super high these school taxes.