Five years after Katrina

[DevilBus65]

In one week it will be 5 years since we went to New Orleans to help the people out. It didn't matter to us what color,class or creed the people were. Folks help folks out when they need it. That is the only valid criteria for helping someone.

We arrived a week after the storm and they still weren't ready for us. Is it any wonder that 5 years later they still haven't finished restoring New Orleans?

[Grand Concourse]

It ok,your expressing your opinion from a European's prospective.

 

I agree,we should have done more and sending aid after Katrina,as well evacuating the poor to higher ground instead we send them to a football dome in the eye of the storm.

 

His views are totally unrealistic for a country of his size would be more like the state of California. Try to apply that to an entire country. I don't care what anyone thinks, it should be the local officials that should've done more as it is their backyard. If they needed more help, then they call the federal government for backup. But like I said, he lives in his fantasy land where everything is perfect. Goverment assistance from cradle to the grave.

 

You can't compare fruits to vegetables.

[MTARegional Bus]

His views are totally unrealistic for a country of his size would be more like the state of California. Try to apply that to an entire country. I don't care what anyone thinks, it should be the local officials that should've done more as it is their backyard. If they needed more help, then they call the federal government for backup. But like I said, he lives in his fantasy land where everything is perfect. Goverment assistance from cradle to the grave.

 

You can't compare fruits to vegetables.

 

 

If he wants to live in fantasy land, let him.

[Shortline Bus]

If he wants to live in fantasy land, let him.

 

 

Part of it also is that young man from Germany has never been to the US yet let alone been to New Orleans.

 

I think we can all agree all aspects of government from the then Mayor of New Orleans, to the La. Governor, and the Feds especially the FEMA Boss all screwed up big time and each deserve their share of blame.

[Urbanfortitude]

If I'm caught in a natural disaster of that magnitude, I don't even plan on expecting help from the government; be it local, federal...global...whatever. This government of ours has proven time and time again that unless you have a couple million to your name, you're last in line for anything. We should probably start training ourselves to survive in the wild again. That way when shit hits the fan we're not standing around on CNN going "SOMEONE HELP ME PLEASE!". It's disgusting and I did not like how Katrina was handled.

[Citaro]

His views are totally unrealistic for a country of his size would be more like the state of California. Try to apply that to an entire country. I don't care what anyone thinks, it should be the local officials that should've done more as it is their backyard. If they needed more help, then they call the federal government for backup. But like I said, he lives in his fantasy land where everything is perfect. Goverment assistance from cradle to the grave.

 

You can't compare fruits to vegetables.

 

Yeah, government assistance from the cradle to the grave, that works and in an disaster it will safe your ass.

 

Inhabitants

 

Europe: 731.000.000

USA: 308.241.000

 

Yes, fruit and vegetables, you can't compare it, it is much harder to control 731.000.000 people than to control 308.241.000 people.

 

 

Some things that would never happen in a "fantasy" area that is called Europe.

 

1. The main reason why Katrina was a disaster like this, is that the infrastructure was broken. Here in Europe isn't a single city which looks like New Orleans or Detroit. Dams like in New Orleans aren't comparable to the hundreds of high tech dams in the Netherlands. Here it doesn't matter how much poor people or black people live in a city, the dams are new and they are ready for a disaster, because the gov cares about it.

 

2. In New Orleans the crime is and was to high, so that rescue and police actions had to run at the same time. Police could not help the rescue teams, because they "had to" shot innocent poor people. The poverty in New Orleans is and was to high, people couldn't afford a house which isn't a wooden house. The wooden houses are part of the problem, because they have been destroyed. Here in Europe isn't a single city which has this poverty and crime rate, because we have more welfare and rehabilitation of criminals.

 

3. The FEMA and all american rescue teams hadn't no right pumps, so they had to flight in some from Germany. The economy wasn't able to produce these pumps, because your education system is to bad. You invest to much on war and don't tax the rich enough. Too much money goes on Wall Street and the low incomes aren't good for the american industry (-trade deficit).

 

Three points which could have been avoided, if you have democratic socialism: http://socialistparty-usa.org

 

So, is that fantasy? Is that a fantasy? Is Europe is a fantasy?

 

Here some people say that they have to rescue themselves. That says everything about your system. If you say that people have to organize themself to help each other, it's the same what our gov does, because you have to organize it, people have to vote for the right strategy, that's the same what a democratic gov does, it's socialism. Everything that is organized between people to help the community is socialism. Freedom is when every person fights for himself.

 

Here in Europe we have a proverb: "Only the King of the Jungle is free."

 

Part of it also is that young man from Germany has never been to the US yet let alone been to New Orleans.

 

I've seen so much on tv, on YT about New Orleans and cities like Detroit, so many documentations like "Kiladelphia" from the BBC and hundreds of others. I think i know more about NO than some New Yorkers.

[Urbanfortitude]

His views are totally unrealistic for a country of his size would be more like the state of California. Try to apply that to an entire country. I don't care what anyone thinks, it should be the local officials that should've done more as it is their backyard. If they needed more help, then they call the federal government for backup. But like I said, he lives in his fantasy land where everything is perfect. Government assistance from cradle to the grave.

 

You can't compare fruits to vegetables.

 

The problem is as someone else pointed out, on any level, response to the disaster was slow as all hell. I've seen the US put together millions of dollars (maybe even billions) to help foreign countries in the blink of an eye. We have something here that to this very day, people are still trying to recover from and the government is dragging their asses. Why the hell is it someone else's country can get help from our government faster than we can?

 

 

Europe isn't perfect at all. They just seem to give a shit about their lower class from what I can see.

[Citaro]

Europe isn't perfect at all. They just seem to give a shit about their lower class from what I can see.

 

Yeah, no country is perfect, but why you think that we give a shit about our lower class?

[MTARegional Bus]

 

I've seen so much on tv, on YT about New Orleans and cities like Detroit, so many documentations like "Kiladelphia" from the BBC and hundreds of others. I think i know more about NO than some New Yorkers.

 

TV doesn't count,if you come here you would see a different side of America,the side of America that BBC and all these European media don't show you, since the only freedom of speech you guys have is to criticizes about the U.S and not criticizes about your own country.

[Urbanfortitude]

TV doesn't count,if you come he you would see a different side of America,the side of America that BBC and and all this European media don't show you, since the only freedom of speech you guys have is to criticizes about the U.S and not criticizes about your own country.

 

Yes because as we all know our own media shows us everything.

 

I agree some things are better seen for ourselves. But our media is the biggest reason I have for such a belief. Shit people down south still think everything outside of Manhattan is a crime infested drug cesspool.

[Citaro]

TV doesn't count,if you come here you would see a different side of America,the side of America that BBC and all these European media don't show you, since the only freedom of speech you guys have is to criticizes about the U.S and not criticizes about your own country.

 

I know all sides, i was already there, in LA. Oh and that is not right, people here are more political and criticize their own countries. If we have something like Katrina and these disaster managment failure, the people would kill the gov. In America there was nothing like that, there wasn't even a protest. Europeans had to fight for the poor in New Orleans, send rescue teams and food to the victims of racism and capitalism, many Americans didn't care about it. In WW2 you had helped us and now we are helping you, but you have to work with us and not against us. But when i see things like the tea party movement i want to puke.

[MTARegional Bus]

I know all sides, i was already there, in LA. Oh and that is not right, people here are more political and criticize their own countries. If we have something like Katrina and these disaster managment failure, the people would kill the gov. In America there was nothing like that, there wasn't even a protest. Europeans had to fight for the poor in New Orleans, send rescue teams and food to the victims of racism and capitalism, many Americans didn't care about it. In WW2 you had helped us and now we are helping you, but you have to work with us and not against us. But when i see things like the tea party movement i want to puke.

 

But you know what? that beauty of this county,you have a right to criticize or not,agree or disagree,if you don't like it that your problem.

 

You what do you mean fighting for the poor in New Orleans?,he had charity's and states around the country in including NY to helping out after the disaster.because fighting doesn't make it any better.

[Citaro]

But you know what? that beauty of this county,you have a right to criticize or not,agree or disagree,if you don't like it that your problem.

 

You what do you fight for the poor in New Orleans?,he had charity's and states around the country in including NY to helping out in the disaster.because fighting doesn't make it any better.

 

What has the beauty of the country to do with your wrong politics?

 

Charity isn't a solution, that shows every developing country. Charity is bs, the gov has to help the city with tax money.

 

Your country is ruined by your politicans, trade deficit, poverty and crime rate, life expectancy, the problem of human rights are just some aspects which shows the failure of your politicans, that has nothing to do with the beauty of your country. Im not an anti-american guy, i'm a politican from Europe who see big problems in the american policy and society. If i am a anti-american guy, i would say that all americans are stupid or something like that, i just want to help you to make the right decision in your next election.

[MTARegional Bus]

What has the beauty of the country to do with your wrong politics?

 

Charity isn't a solution, that shows every developing country. Charity is bs, the gov has to help the city with tax money.

 

Your country is ruined by your politicans, trade deficit, poverty and crime rate, life expectancy, the problem of human rights are just some aspects which shows the failure of your politicans.

 

Have you noticed that some parts of the world like China and the rest of Asia, even Europe has obsolete your country, because of your capitalism? Have you noticed that? I think most Americans still are thinking that America is the most successful country in the world. New Orleans had shown us, that is a fantasy.

 

 

Right or wrong politics,It doesn't matter,we have every Right to say what we want in this country.

 

And sure we may have are problems with corruption and poverty,that pretty much very country around the world.

[Citaro]

Right or wrong politics,It doesn't matter,we have every Right to say what we want in this country.

 

And sure we may have are problems with corruption and poverty,that pretty much very country around the world.

 

Of course you have the right to say what you want. That isn't an argument against mine.

 

Don't forget, your are a developed country. You can't compare the US with China, but even China has a better infrastructure than the US, not just a better rail network.

 

While your middle-aged politicans (republicans) are talking abot HSR in california, China has already HSR.

 

Your politicans have ruined your beautiful country. Look at better examples in the world, look at Europe and in Europe there was more socialist policy in the past than so why so many people are against them and against obama in the US? It's ironic! You need more socialism not less, but it's your decision.

[Urbanfortitude]

Right or wrong politics,It doesn't matter,we have every Right to say what we want in this country.

 

And sure we may have are problems with corruption and poverty,that pretty much very country around the world.

 

Yeah we have the right to say what we want in this country. What good is it if the media twists it around to the point it doesn't even come close to the original? What good is it if the people who need to hear it (ie our f**king government) chooses to ignore us and do what the hell they wanna do?

 

 

Also what gets me is the people who do exercise this particular "right" have no business being heard in the first place. It makes those who actually should say something be quiet.