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Yes, It will be difficult.

 

I have seen larger school bus got stuck between Catherine and Henry Sts while trying to make turn in narrow streets.

 

I even remember Grayline Tour bus turning right from southbound narrow Whitehall St onto westbound Bridge St got stuck and some Tour Dispatcher had to come help the driver.

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First off, I'm pretty sure that 59th Street cannot be used eastbound between 2nd and 1st Avenues. It's a one-way entrance ramp to the 59th Street Bridge from 1st Avenue.

 

Secondly, you should really just run the M6/M6A along 57th Street to help provide relief for the M31/M57 in addition to giving access to Midtown to East 57th Street. I don't know why you want them to have such a complicated loop using streets that people use to access the bridge. Those are traffic nightmare spots.

 

M6 response:

- Nobody will ride the bus in Midtown with such an inconvenient routing. Keep it on 5th instead of sending it up 33rd just to get another portion of Broadway.

- 29th Street? Keep buses off of local side streets because one double parked car or truck can mess everything up.

 

M6A response:

Also:

- West 4th Street is a narrow road

- MacDougal Street is a narrow road

- Assuming that a bus can make it onto West 4th Street, there's absolutely no way that it'll be able to make a right onto MacDougal.

 

 

Okay, I saw your responses and I'll change the routes.

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OK! Revision time!

 

m6 - South Ferry to East Midtown

 

Northbound to East Midtown

 

Originates at South Ferry Bus Loop.

Left on State Street, Right on Greenwich Street, Right on Trinity Place, Right on Worth Street, Left on Centre Street, Left on 9 Street, Right on 6th Avenue, Right on 57 Street, Left on 1st Avenue, Right on 60 Street, Terminate at 60 Street/York Avenue.

 

Southbound to South Ferry

 

Originates at 60 Street/York Avenue.

Right on York Avenue, Right on 55 Street, Right on 1 Avenue, Left on 57 Street, Left on Broadway, Left on 48 Street, Right on 7th Avenue, Left on 42 Street, Right on Broadway, Left on 36 Street, Right on 5th Avenue, Left on 8 Street, Right on Broadway, Left on State Street, Right into South Ferry Bus Loop, Terminate at South Ferry Transit Center.

 

Hope this is better/OK... :mellow:

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now for the other one!

 

m6a - South Ferry to East Midtown

 

Northbound to East Midtown

Originates at South Ferry Bus Loop.

Left on State Street, Right on Greenwich Street, Right on Trinity Place, Right on Worth Street, Left on Bowery, Left on Houston Street, Right on 6 Avenue, Right on 59 Street, Left on 1st Avenue, Right on 60 Street, Terminate at 60 Street/York Avenue.

 

Southbound to South Ferry

Originate at 60 Street/York Avenue.

Right on York Avenue, Right on 55 Street, Right on 1st Avenue, Left on 57 Street, Left on Broadway, Left on 48 Street, Right on 7th Avenue, Left on King Street, Left on 6 Avenue, Right on Houston Street, Right on Bowery, Right on Worth Street, Left on Broadway, Left on State Street, Right into South Ferry Bus Loop, Terminate at South Ferry Transit Center.

 

Hopefully this one is also OK...

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My BX 60 to Downtown Brooklyn

 

 

  • 1.Take the 1st right onto Willoughby St
  • 2.Take the 1st right onto Jay St
  • 3.Turn left onto Livingston S
  • t4.Turn right onto Nevins St
  • 5.Take the 3rd left onto Atlantic Ave
  • 6.Turn right onto Pennsylvania Ave
  • 7.Turn left onto Sutter Ave
  • 8.Turn right onto S Conduit Ave and N Conduit Ave
  • 9.Take the Lefferts Boulevard exit
  • 10.Continue onto NY-878/Nassau Expy
  • 11.Continue on Nassau Expy
  • 12.merge onto Whitestone Expressway
  • 13.Merge onto I-678 N
  • 14.Take exit 18 for Lafayette Ave
  • 15.Turn left to stay on Lafayette Ave
  • 16.Turn right onto Brush Ave
  • 17.Turn left to Bruckner Blvd
  • 18.Slight left onto Bruckner Blvd
  • 19.Make a U-turn at Wchester Ave/Westchester Ave
  • 20.Turn left onto Wilkinson Ave

 

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Just My Thoughts.......

 

BXQ19 : Port Morris

138 St

 

Via RFK Bridge

 

 

BXQ19 : Astoria

Steinway St

 

(Stops): From The Bronx; Astoria Bound

 

• E.138th St / Cypress Avenue ; 6 train Cypress Avenue Sta

 

• St. Ann's Avenue / E. 138th St

 

• E. 134th St / St. Anns Avenue

 

No Stops Until Queens

 

• Astoria Blvd / 31 Street (First Stop In Queens)

 

• Astoria Blvd South / Steinway Street

 

Port Morris Bound

 

• Astoria Blvd North / Steinway Street

 

• Astoria Blvd / 31 Street

 

No Stops Until The Bronx

 

• Bruckner Blvd / 136th Street

 

• E. 138th Street / Cyress Avenue

 

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BM6:

Start: (Q) Line-Ocean Parkway Station

East on Brighton Beach Avenue...

Left turn onto CI Avenue...

Straight up CI Avenue

==Express Portion Begins at Church Avenue==

Right turn onto Church Avenue

Left turn on Flatbush Avenue

Cross the Manhattan Bridge-Lower Level only!

==Express portion ends when off the bridge==

Straight down Canal Street

==Small non-stop section starts at West Street==

Left turn onto West Street

==Non-stop section ends at South End Avenue==

Right turn onto South End Avenue

Terminates at the loop

Fare: $5.75!

(for the two express sections)

Edit: I just realized that the line doesn't use any expressways or highways!

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BM6:

Start: (Q) Line-Ocean Parkway Station

East on Brighton Beach Avenue...

Left turn onto CI Avenue...

Straight up CI Avenue

==Express Portion Begins at Church Avenue==

Right turn onto Church Avenue

Left turn on Flatbush Avenue

Cross the Manhattan Bridge-Lower Level only!

==Express portion ends when off the bridge==

Straight down Canal Street

==Small non-stop section starts at West Street==

Left turn onto West Street

==Non-stop section ends at South End Avenue==

Right turn onto South End Avenue

Terminates at the loop

Fare: $6.00!

(for the two express sections)

 

 

 

That's really similar to the old X29: http://www.mta.info/nyct/bus/schedule/xpress/x025cur.pdf

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The Second Avenue Bus Lines:

m15+SBS+ - East Harlem (126 St/1 Av) to South Ferry via Water Street, 1/2 Avenues

m90+SBS+ - East Harlem (110 St/5 Av) to Battery Park City via 1/2/5/Madison Avenues, FDR, Water Street

m92+SBS+ - East Harlem (126 St/1 Av) to Battery Park City via 1/2 Avenues, FDR, Water Street

m92A+SBS+ - East Harlem (126 St/1 Av) to Battery Park City via 1/2 Avenues, FDR Express, Water Street

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Q81:

Limited-stop service between Pelham Bay Park, Bronx and JFK Airport, Queens. Operates via Crosby Av/Tremont Av in the Bronx and via Bell Blvd/Springfield Blvd in Queens.

 

Routing:

 

https://maps.google.....01138,0.026157

 

Stops:

 

Pelham Bay Park (6) station

Westchester Av/Buhre Av

Crosby Av/Middletown Rd

Crosby Av/Bruckner Blvd

Bruckner Blvd/E Tremont Av

E Tremont Av/Randall Av

E Tremont Av/177 St

E Tremont Av/Harding Av

Harding Av/Pennyfield Av

 

26 Av/Cpl Kennedy St

26 Av/Bell Blvd

Bell Blvd/35 Av

Bell Blvd/Northern Blvd

Bell Blvd/48 Av

56 Av/Springfield Blvd (when QCC is closed)

QCC bus stop (when QCC is open)

Springfield Blvd/Horace Harding Expwy

Springfield Blvd/73 Av

Springfield Blvd/Union Tpk

Springfield Blvd/Hillside Av

Springfield Blvd/Jamaica Av

Springfield Blvd/Hempstead Av

Springfield Blvd between 113 Dr and 114 Av

Springfield Blvd/Linden Blvd

Springfield Blvd/120 Av

Springfield Blvd/Merrick Blvd

Springfield Blvd/140 Av

Springfield Blvd/Conduit Av

Farmers Blvd/Brewer Blvd

Farmers Blvd/Rockaway Blvd

JFK Airport outside Terminal 6

 

Sample weekday schedule:

 

http://scaped.net/bus/Q81

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Thanks; I checked the (MTA) memo that went out a while ago, and figured I'd have the bus stop at Terminal 6 alongside the Q3, Q10, and B15.

 

 

I just looked at the routing, I'd run Q81X buses that use the Bruckner and Throgs Neck service roads and make no stops in the Bronx.

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I just looked at the routing, I'd run Q81X buses that use the Bruckner and Throgs Neck service roads and make no stops in the Bronx.

 

 

I was toying with that idea for a while, but I figured that the second major function of the Q81 (other than as an airport service bus) was to provide a better link between the Bronx and eastern Queens, especially southeastern Queens. Running buses with no stops in the Bronx would partially defeat that purpose, and it would also eliminate the new one-seat ride from Tremont Av and part of Crosby Av to Pelham Bay Park (and we could also entertain the idea of a few shoppers' specials to/from Bay Plaza on Saturday and Sunday afternoons). I eventually settled on running six buses (three during morning rush and three during evening rush) via the Clearview Expressway and Hollis Court Blvd as far as Jamaica Av, providing direct service between Queens Village/Springfield Gardens/etc. and the Bronx. That said, I have two trips in the afternoon (and two in the morning going the opposite direction) from Truman High School that stop at Bartow/Edson Avs and Pelham Bay Park; it would be worth a try to run them without stops in the Bronx and see what happens (especially since there are 4-5 minute frequencies so those buses probably wouldn't be missed).

 

The Q81 is similar to a bus route I was thinking of, a +Select Bus Service+ Q76 route from Pelham Bay Station to Springfield Gardens, but I decided it was too long. And NO, I am not copying, but I actually was thinking about that, before you posted it.

 

 

 

No worries, I believe you :). As for the idea, the thought of sending something over the Throgs Neck Bridge has been kicking around in my head for a while too, especially since so many kids who go to Bronx Science tend to live in eastern Queens (especially parts of Bayside, Oakland Gardens, Fresh Meadows, etc.) and their parents wind up shelling out $5000+ per year for private bus service (Vallo Transportation) because getting from those parts of Queens to the Bronx is a tough proposition. The Q81would cut (MTA) travel time from Oakland Gardens to Bronx Science from around 2:00-2:15 down to 1:15-1:30 (if a few northbound school specials are run early enough to connect to the Bx26 around 6:50-7:00AM) and makes it a one-fare ride.

 

Furthermore, something like that would make it feasible to live in the east Bronx and work in or around the airport. Currently, getting to JFK Airport from Pelham Bay takes a good two hours or more by subway, and about 2:15 by bus (as well as two or more fares, especially if you use the AirTrain), while the Q81 would make it about 1:25-1:35 (1:00-1:15 if you catch one of the morning or afternoon express trips).

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Bx7 doesn't need that musch service in Manhattan, though...

 

Probably not, but hey, this is mostly done out of pure fantasy, though.

 

Speaking of fantasy, a new idea I have is the B76:

 

B76-1.png

 

This route combines the old B77, a portion of the Park Slope section of the B61, and a portion of the B23 into one route. In this idea, the B61 would be truncated back to the Ikea Terminal only, with the B67 extended to Flatbosh Avenue and Cortelyou Road to connect better with the B41 and B49.

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Ok, here's something a little more down to earth than my last sugestion...

 

How about a Bx43 which goes from Riverdale - Woodlawn??

 

Bx43Route.jpg

 

 

Bx43: Riverdale W 256 St & Mosholu Av - Woodlawn, E 242 St

Eastbound Route:

 

(Starting at Mosholu Av & Liebig Av.)

 

R- W 256 St

 

L- Riverdale Av

 

Continue to Henry Hudson Pkwy S

 

L- W 239 St

 

L- Henry Hudson Pkwy N

 

R- Manhattan College Pkwy

 

R- W 242 St

 

R- Broadway

 

L- W 240 St

 

Continue Van Cortlandt Av West

 

L- Sedgwick Av

 

L- Dickenson Av

 

R- W Gun Hill Rd

 

L- Jerome Av

 

R- E 233 St

 

L- Van Cortlandt Park E

 

L- Katonah Av

 

L- into "Turnabout" and layover

 

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Westbound Route:

 

R - Van Cortlandt Park E

 

R- E 233 St

 

L- Jerome Av

 

R- W Gun Hill Rd

 

L- Dickenson Av

 

R- Sedgwick Av

 

R- Van Cortlandt Av W

 

Continue onto Van Cortlandt Park South - W 240 St

 

R- Broadway

 

L- Manhattan College Parkway

 

R- Henry Hudson Pkwy North

 

R- W 253 St

 

L- Fieldston Rd

 

L- Mosholu Av

 

**Layover at Mosholu Av & Liebig Av**

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